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     Aesquire |
I haven't seen any street beheadings in the US that I recall. In houses? sure. Multiple cases of that. Driving SUV's into crowds, yes, multiple cases of that. Murdering your sister? Yes, multiple cases of that. Torturing a 14 year old to death with electric shocks because she was reluctant to marry her 52 year old uncle? Let's see..... oh, my bad, this one's from Vehari. Luddan police? Where the frack is Luddan? ....oh! Pakistan. http://tribune.com.pk/story/113887/14-year-old-kil led-for-refusing-to-marry-fathers-cousin/ The victim’s mother, nominally the complainant, told The Express Tribune that she did not want her husband to be jailed. “My daughter was a disgrace to the family. We can’t tolerate our children disrespecting their elders’ wishes so we killed her,” Mukhtar Mai said, “why would I want my husband to be punished? He did the right thing.” Anyone who's had a 14 year old daughter has endured frustration. But seriously? Not all Mothers in Pakistan are a$$holes. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2 011/09/refusing-to-kill-daughter-pakistani-family- defies-tradition-draws-anger/245691/ Full disclosure. I'm a bit of a women's libber. Equal rights and all that. ( I also hold doors, I'm a gentleman too. No, I refuse to give up the good customs just because some are all too easily offended. Yes, I have been bitched out for holding a door. ) Suffice to say, I'd be killed if I lived in Pakistan. I'd have an honor guard in hell though. I'm sure the Progressives would explain to us that we can't expect civilized behavior from the lesser races. ( that's why Planned Parenthood was founded ) I'm an American. I know it's not the DNA, it's the Culture. Americans are no better than anyone else. We are anyone else. We sure don't have awesome genes. It's the Culture that let us go to the Moon. It's the Culture that makes Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, certain suburbs in Buffalo, etc. bad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzammil_Hassan | ||
| Reindog |
Many Type One OVs are finally opening their eyes and minds for the first time and are realizing that Wonderful ain't. Some will finally wake up to the danger that ProgLib thinking is literally destroying our Constitutional Republic. Type Two and Three are hopeless and must be defeated. Mr Workplace Disturbance and Man-made Disaster can go to hell. ProGlibs is probably a better moniker than ProgLibs. They suck, are hopeless, and have earned eternal derision. PS: Hey FB1, Ma and Pa Clayville say hello and have an even better trailer for you to crash in when you visit Portland the next time. They are 83 now and still kicking. | ||
| Oldog |
Type One OVs Tom please explain? I had to deal with a flaming rabbid dem, its all bushe's fault type is this what you mean? The other day right after the Oklahoma disaster several Democratic senators were quoted I saw two on u-tube as blaming the republicans for not passing the carbon credits legislation. There by causing global warming and the tornadoes. When I listen to Gowdy, Goemhert(sp?),Bachmann, Boehner, Issa and formerly West I heard intelligent people conveying important concerns and reasonable ideas. When I listen to, Pelosi, Boxer, Finestine, Reid, Biden, and their ilk, You have to wonder what goes thru folks heads The sad part is trying to have an intelligent dialog with many of these folks turns into name calling and other ridiculous behavior. The latest is the "end of the war on terror" The chief ninny really does not get it.. This would be entertaining if WE were not unwilling participants. } | ||
| Reindog |
Oldog, ya gotta stay on top of yer game. OV is Obama Voter. I have defined the three types of OVs (there are only three) several times in Quickboard so you gotta do yer homework. Have fun. | ||
| Oldog |
I have defined the three types of OVs (there are only three) several times in Quickboard so you gotta do yer homework. Busy with other stuff now, trying to follow this. Holder investigating Holder, Fox watching the hen house. This is the most transparently DISHONEST Admin in my Adult memory Its going to be a long 4 years unless DC gets its needed "Enema..."} | ||
| Boltrider |
I think the OV's were: 1) ignorant 2) on the take 3) fully aware and trying to destroy the USA And I agree. Type ones, please don't be put off by the list. I did not vote for Obama but I too am ignorant. I'm always trying to learn. | ||
| Sifo |
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever. People need to understand that distinction. | ||
| Oldog |
Thanks Bolt, I had forgotten that I remember finding it a bit amusing ... | ||
| Reindog |
I work with some extremely smart people who are Type One OVs. It makes no sense to me how they can justify the un-American activities of this most Wonderful of Presidents. At least they don't fall on the Blame Bush excuse. I suspect some of them are having second thoughts but they won't admit it. | ||
| Oldog |
some extremely smart people This is only a problem when they know it.. This reminds me of a Court story, Court and some person ( and wives IIRC) are seated in some restaurant, The man tells Court that he "does not believe in any thing he can't see", Court politely suggests that He may "take two butter knives and insert them into the slots on the wall socket," he would then experience the power of some thing that no one has ever seen. [As it knocked him across the room.]  } My point is that a truly intelligent person never stops learning and admits mistakes.. (Message edited by oldog on May 24, 2013) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-outbreak-fir es-671/ looking at our future here? For years, Sweden – one of Europe’s most tranquil countries, famous for its attractive immigration policies and generous welfare system – has been accepting an influx of immigrants, which now make up about 15 per cent of its population. These migrants have failed to integrate into Swedish society, and are only in the country to enjoy the country’s social benefits system, Swedish journalist Ingrid Carlqvist told RT. “The problem is not from the Swedish government or from the Swedish people,” the editor in chief of Dispatch International said. “The last 20 years or so, we have seen so many immigrants coming to Sweden that really don’t like Sweden. They do not want to integrate, they do not want to live in [Swedish] society: Working, paying taxes and so on.” “The people come here now because they know that Sweden will give them money for nothing. They don’t have to work, they don’t have to pay taxes – they can just stay here and get a lot of money. That is really a problem,” Carlqvist added. This is where TWO problems intersect. First, a welfare state attracting immigrants that want the free ride. ( sound familiar? This happens interstate in the U.S. because of different Dole policies. There's a reason New York and California have problems. ) Second, immigrants that don't want to become part of their new homes. But want to recreate the hellhole they come from. This is a problem in the US, on an interstate basis, as places like Colorado and New Hampshire get invaded by lefties seeking lower taxes, who then demand the same policies that led them to flee their old State. Then there are the 20+ million Illegals. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source: http://www.therightscoop.com/walid-shoebat-discuss es-the-terrorist-attack-in-london/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_INDIA_RE BEL_ATTACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&C TIME=2013-05-26-07-52-08 the "other" religion that makes lying a blessing. It's not even an argument that THIS faith has murdered more people in the last century than died in war. Ever. Since we started throwing sticks. Just wanted to make the point that these 2 1/2 religions are the ones that actively engage in violent suppression of other faiths, lie as a matter of religious principal, cannot be trusted to keep treaties ( that "lie is good if it advances the cause" base philosophy ), gleefully uses assassination, mob violence, and infiltration subversion strategies for world domination. So, Obama is raised in 2 of the 2 1/2 religions that lie, ( the 1/2 is the Greens ) why does this not surprise anyone who pays attention? | ||
| Geedee |
Walid Shoebat is a dingbat. The entire Woolwich incident is an even worse case of bad acting than Boston. Worse than zombie films. http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/woolwich-f alse-flag-inside-job-fake.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exc lusive-how-mi5-blackmails-british-muslims-1688618. html I have extreme difficulty comprehending anti-Islamic rhetoric by Americans, and Brits. The Western alphabet agencies are behind nearly all these operations. Go and research the connection of Wahhabis to 'Royal' House of Saud, and Masonic origins of the Islamists movements, and their true goal to undermine Islam and fight for Western Zionist Powers such as Britain and the United States of America. Experts on the history of the Wahabia confirm that the movement was originally established upon an order by the British colonial administration. The list of authoritative sources supporting this conclusion is long and includes Saint John Philpy in The History of Najd, Khairi Hamad in The Pillars of Colonialism, Hamaion Himáyati in Al-Wahabi Criticism and Analysis, and finally, Haiem Wiseman, the first prime minister of the Jewish entity in Palestine in his memoirs. Al-Qaida (meaning 'the database') is a CIA / Mossad front originally arising from the Afghan mujahideen who were fighting the Russians, and were being funded by the US with the help of Zbignew Brzerzinski. "Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." -Zbignew Brzerzinski Stop letting the idiots explain to you what is going on. They are making this shit up. You are being suckered. And yes, I mentioned Zionists. "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Gandhi | ||
| Aesquire |
Wow. I completely buy the part about an MI5 official being involved in kiddie sex, but golly gee, the rest of that is pretty bizzarre. ( Stories about British Aristocracy and sex are "rampant", shall we say? ) Then again, I thought Lee Harvey Oswald shot President Kennedy. He was after all, an ex-Marine, who defected to Russia, and was a spy wannabe. I can accept the possibility of a deep dark plot with Oswald as a patsy, but it's been decades and Nixon ( "Watchmen" ) and LBJ ( recent "theory" ) are both dead and I seriously doubt we'll ever know if any are true. So a public attack, and patiently waiting to be arrested while ranting for the internet is a con by the Zionist Rulers of the Universe? I admit the behavior of the "alleged attackers" is crazy, but so are the actions of thousands and thousands of Jihadi over the last few decades. Color me skeptical. I'm always looking for that next "Reichstag Fire", and have, briefly, wondered if "this is it?" a few times, ( Oklahoma City Bombing, for example ) but can't say it's actually happened here. For the history challenged, the German "congress" building was firebombed, allegedly by Communists, but actually by the National Socialist Workers Party ( yeah, a different, and rival group of leftists ) to get a panic reaction letting them take more power to suppress/persecute/destroy their enemies, and grab/hold/steal more power. End result, Hitler, WW2, Genocide, mass death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire Now the tactic of distract and mislead is common today, ( See Obama ) and things like "Fast & Furious" are obviously intended to whip up public anger to let evil men take more power....... but....... Leave it at "I;m skeptical". | ||
| Aesquire |
i try and avoid "anti-Islamic" rhetoric. Yes, I believe that Islam ( Submission ) is a man created religion designed for the purpose of manipulation of people for personal power. The Prophet is a historical figure, and DID use his "faith" to get rich and powerful. So that interpretation of it has at least some validity. Islam is not all bad, the teachings of charity and hospitality, to be humble and thrifty, are good things. The rejection of interest bearing loans as a way of life is interesting too, and applies nicely to your thread on economic warfare, banks, and manipulation. I am, however "anti-Islamist". A fascist theocracy is hell on Earth and one look at any country with the name "Islamic Republic....." shows you horrors of medieval life. Slavery is part of the creed, both of women, and of the infidel. It's in the darn book. It's the law. Islam is also very intolerant of other faiths, as are leftists, and the use of lies to advance the cause is not only permitted, but encouraged. It's also the law. If Episcopalians ( C of E ) were beheading people with knives on Youtube and promising my painful death for not chanting the Apostles Creed 5 times a day, I'd be complaining about THEM. | ||
| Reindog |
Damn straight, however you have omitted "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in your analysis. Damn good job of arranging your neurons to align with the Truth. Gotta go because I am due back on the planet Earth. Be seeing you. (Message edited by reindog on May 27, 2013) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349415/musli ms-killed-west-lie Here’s a question for Muslims and leftists who buy this argument about the West’s killing Muslims in Afghanistan: Whom are we fighting in Afghanistan? I thought the British and Americans were fighting the Taliban, the people who throw acid in the faces of Muslim girls for attending school, the people who murder nurses for inoculating Muslim children against disease. To equate fighting the Taliban with fighting Muslims is to contradict the contention that many Muslims and virtually the entire Left have been insisting on for years — that the Taliban represent a tiny group of extremists in the Muslim world, and that they have so completely perverted Islam that they cannot even be called Muslims. Well, you can’t have it both ways. If killing the Taliban is the same as “killing Muslims,” then you can’t argue that the Taliban don’t represent Islam or Muslims So, on the issue of the West’s fighting in Afghanistan, Muslims and the Left need to decide: Is killing the Taliban a service or a disservice to Muslims? This is the first and last question both groups need to answer. Everything else is commentary. I'm in general agreement. There are exceptions, like Libya, a War For Oil fought without US Congressional approval. ( Not that Congress approving a war has anything to do with it's legitimacy ) I admit, my simple brain interprets a man with bloody hands and a weapon screaming that he'll kill me as a threat. Primative and foolish of me, eh? I have a little harder time wrapping m mind around ancient conspiracies that seem to involve certain religious groups in unbroken persecution for thousands of years. The whole Jew = Banker meme dates from when The Church forbid Christians to lend money for a fee. ( at the time there was only one Church. ) I don't know how many Rothschilds are left manipulating me. ( Does George Soros fit in there with the Protocols of Zion bunch? ) | ||
| Oldog |
I have extreme difficulty comprehending anti-Islamic rhetoric by Americans, and Brits. Its really simple 199? WTC Garage Bombing building damaged, hundreds injured. done by (Moslem Extremists) Sept 11 3K+ killed in attacks on WTC, Pentagon and flt 97(?)"Lets Roll" All three planes hijacked by.... (Moslem Extremists) Fort Hood shootings were Terror, Perp Shouts Allah Ackbar, (GOD is GREAT) The man is a (Moslem Extremist) Benghazi, We make the effort after helping liberate the Libyans, to Open diplomatic relations with them Groups of local fighters attack, 4 killed on the anniversary of You guessed it 9-11 BY (Moslem Extremists) There are hundreds more incidents in recent ( 30 years or so ) Every time we turn around they are provoking Israel, The Jews were murdered en mass In WW2 what the Moslems have in mind makes that look tame, Face it If you are not of their sect, you are an INFIDEL, Like most westerners I would prefer not to live in the 12th century, and have chosen to believe and attempt to follow the teachings of CHRIST. So by the tenants of the Quaran I am their Enemy, They choose this not me, When they choose to target US assets or people at home or abroad, it is an act of WAR, Because they are fighting a asymmetrical force strength war, we need to adjust tactics. Me I am tired of the Double speak from DC and the middle east. War is not a pleasant business, but at times it is forced upon us. Lets not wait until Our homes are the battle ground. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=8456&mpid=105 How are supposed to surrender when the facts make people want to fight? Commentary on the London beheading...... and the lack of honest coverage. Oldog, The statement To equate fighting the Taliban with fighting Muslims is to contradict the contention that many Muslims and virtually the entire Left have been insisting on for years — that the Taliban represent a tiny group of extremists in the Muslim world, and that they have so completely perverted Islam that they cannot even be called Muslims. has, I think the answer. If the "terrorists" are not mainstream Islam, and plainly they are not. Then as those who pervert the faith, they are, by Islamic law, Apostate. ( those who reject the faith, convert to another, or make statements contrary to the faith. Apostasy in not a Muslim thing, it's way older than that. ) Apostates are automatically under sentence of death. That's in the Koran. ( we won't discuss Obama in this context, nor will anyone else. ) So we, as westerners and fellow followers of "the book" ( Bible. Considered an incomplete tale of the Israelites, the Prophet Jesus, and finished with the Final Prophet ( and there will be no more after this perfected version of the Will Of Allah ) and his book the Koran. ) have a duty to kill these apostates who pervert Islam. I suspect that simplicity and honesty is why the Bush admin. could not go that way. They did ( and the current guy does ) have people who are fools giving them advice on "how to deal with muslims", which on even a seconds thought is the wrong way to deal. What is needed is a forthright statement of intent and action. "the war on terror" should be declared mistaken. Not wrong, not over, not apologized for, we should say we have misunderstood the simple truths spoken to us by our Brothers in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. Those who use the Prophet's name in acts of terrorism, violence, and political power grabbing are extremists who have perverted the faith. They are NOT Muslim, but Apostate. It is the duty of all mankind to oppose those who do violence, falsely, in the name of their God(s). Now, understand, the terrorists, THEY insist they are the one true faith, and the other billion Muslims are slackers and in apostasy, and must be killed unless they submit to the very specific understanding of the Will of Allah that is theirs. they are a tiny minority, and must be hounded unto extinction. Only the rest of the Islamic World can do that. At this point I run out of brilliant plan. I can only hope the Truth is a good enough trap for the lies. Because seriously, if the moderates can't control the extremists, ( in nearly every political context ) you have Bad. The Islamic states either have to admit that they are monsters in civilization's eyes, or crack down as a group on the crazies. We either help them or deal with the crapomatic dictatorships that are the inevitable result of the extremists winning. Like we are now. Opinion? | ||
| Aesquire |
Then again, I could be wrong. We could go on in denial of the truth and just accept that we will have people screaming their battle cry for their Lord as they kill some of us. Daily. I mean, no big deal having the police tell you to stay in your house as the tanks roam the streets. We've adapted to being treated like slaves at the Airport, so checkpoints on the highway, at the train station, and bus depot should be a natural evolution. "Show me your papers, bitte" is a phrase to be comforted by, not afraid of........ right? | ||
| Sifo |
they are a tiny minority, and must be hounded unto extinction. Are they a tiny minority though? Even here in the US, arguably among the most moderate of Muslims, about 7% support suicide bombings in defense of Islam. Source... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/1/pew -poll-palestinians-favor-suicide-bombings-shari/ With about 2.6 million Muslims in the US, that leaves us with over 180,000 people who are OK with blowing up civilians. That's just here in the US where they are pretty much the most moderate. World wide (and oddly this poll ignores some of the most strict Muslim countries, Saudi Arabia and Iran), things look less optimistic. World wide, it's more like 1 out of 3 are OK with blowing up civilians. Source... http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/347095/huge-f law-pew-survey-muslim-views-about-sharia That's just a touch over what I would ever consider a tiny minority that can be hounded into extinction. In fact, I would say it's more likely that the 1/3rd that support killing of those that they disagree with are more likely to hound the other 2/3rds out of existence, should push come to shove. | ||
| Reindog |
Not too long ago, I met a middle class looking father with his son and wife at a beach event. He matter of factly tried to explain that Hezbollah was just a social service agency in Lebanon. This is the support of fascism with a smile with his son learning a perverted message. | ||
| Blake |
What percentage of Germans in 1938 were Nazis? | ||
| Aesquire |
If you take the position that all Islam is evil, then you have a serious problem with only one solution, and that is mass killing on a scale not known on this planet before Marx. ( but, scary enough, about the same as already murdered by those of THAT faith ) I have to shy away from that prospect. For one thing, Americans won't do it. For another, is isn't needed. You'd have to be crazy to advocate the murder of 200,000,000 plus people. ( about the number that "approve" of violence against the Infidel, according to a freaking POLL!!!! A poll isn't a good way to judge another. How valid that poll is is a good question. Would you call for the death of anyone on, say, MY say so? Or George Bush? Or Barak Obama? Golly gee, I hope not. The problem is those who not only do violence, but preach it. The only way to get to them is for them NOT to be shielded from the Infidel, ( I'm an Infidel, and proud of it! ) but destroyed & outed by the vast majority of Muslims. The Moderates. Right now, the Moderates won't fight the Radicals. They'd lose. But there have been times in the past when the Moderates rebelled against the Radicals, and won. We have to create those conditions. Now, I could be wrong in my belief, from reading the Koran, that Islam is a created faith to manipulate the vast hordes so that a small group of evil men can rule. ( as are the Marxist Religions ) It'd be nice if I was wrong on that. But the weakness of a Religion of Lies is that the Lies can be used by anyone. So the Lie that the Radicals are Not Islam can be exploited to isolate and destroy them. There are OTHER things that must be done to win the war that few in the West will admit is happening. For one, we need to starve the oil producing islamic states. Not deprive them of food, but of our dollars. The arguments on "energy independence" are many, and many are bogus, but if we produce, and sell, alternatives, the Oil Cartels will fall. ( see footnote ) ( this will, of course, lead to War. Russia is a serious problem ) This isn't going to happen overnight. But we have to begin soon to destroy the Radicals while pushing that the Radicals are the Enemy of Allah. What we're doing NOW just makes it all worse. ( footnote. One year's overspending by this administration since 2009 would pay for a Solar Satellite construction program, that would destroy Opec. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/05/30 /latest_issue_of_al_qaeda_magazine_inspire_celebra tes_boston_bombings | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84 Alfonzo Rachel. Rant. Islamic Terrorism: Why Is It So Hard For Liberals to Just Say It? (May. 30, 2013) | ||
| Oldog |
Aesquire: I have to concede the intellectual point on your comments above, I guess I am a little simple, To my simple way of thinking when the Japanese bombed Pearl harbor, did all of the military / Populace support it? "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant" sticks out here. The wrinkle is that innocents (average Japanese citizens) consented in the making of war by the imperial government. Ultimately they suffered for it [ Hiroshima, and Nagasaki ] The moslems that remain silent about the atrocities like the Boston bombing, Women as Property, Etc,Etc,Etc, Are complicit On 9/12 the folks dancing with joy in Palestine were complicit. I agree with you that the perpetrators of any terrorist act should be hunted to extinction. Further I believe that that they should be publicly executed unless they provide useful information. The slippery slope is how to either isolate or eliminate the threat, while not abusing the folks. Monitor the Imam's services? Did any one report Tamerlain TSarnaov when he was expelled from the mosque? I doubt it the Flip side to avoid is like WW2 Huge abuses of Japanese Americans. These are documented, It was not right and was it really needed? So if the home land terror attacks continue, what do we do, round up the moslems? bar them from entering the country? Our folks in Washington (Barry & Co) Are complicit, the Ft Hood shootings are Terrorist attacks, and should be dealt with as such. So until Washington gets on board with its self, and we call these people and incidents who and what they are. The mess and missteps will continue. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Remember Libya and Reagan Find the leader and bomb where he sleeps every time until you kill him or he gives up Terrorist Find him and buddies HOGS WOOD CHIPPER streaming video all over. They kill 1 of ours kill a thousand of them. They go WMD we burn the mid east down salt the earth no prisoners no mercy no political correct BS No more games. Just a end of the jihad for a another 1000 years . They want a war lets give them what they want. | ||
| Aesquire |
Okdog, I don't see you as being simple, just attracted to the simple answer. I can see the attraction of the simple way. ( not the nice way, mind you, but that doesn't work at all ) In fact, I proposed the "palace a day club" solution for Iraq. Every night one of Saddam's palaces ( most were military & wmd storage areas ) goes boom, until his successor calls for peace terms. We'll never know if that would have worked, as GWB had his Generals do a brilliant razzle dazzle assault and beat Iraq in 2 weeks. If the follow up had been as brilliant, Gas would be 75 cents a gallon. ( and AQ would be a memory like the Assassin's Guild ) What I propose for today is simpler. Catch a "terrorist", kill him and burn the body. No overt desecration, no pigs blood, just a sanitary end to a wasted life. Yes, there will be complaints. Cremation, especially without proper Rites, is a Bad Thing in Islam. ( there were complaints when we have done this in Iraq ) By insisting that the Jihadi are Not Muslim, as we are told, they do not deserve the Rites, do not deserve the respect we would give any honorable enemy, and will not be treated as Muslim, or with any honor, at all. It's Psych warfare. You want Jihad to be unpopular. You want the 20 yr old spoiled brats in Arabia to tell their Mullahs to "kiss off, you crazy old fart", instead of buying into the glory of fighting the Infidel for the Lord. You also have to be willing to flat out destroy the leadership of any country that supports Jihad. IMHO our biggest mistake after winning the War in Iraq was not taking Iran out the second we were sure that they were supporting the Jihad. ( which, IIRC was about 5 seconds after we got to Baghdad. ) Now I could be totally wrong on this, but I figure it's worth a try before we dust off the Neutron bomb plans, and have to destroy both Moscow and Bejing, along with Riyahd, Qom, Mecca, Tehran, and a bunch of the rest of the planet, including some of the suburbs of Paris. The quick and dirty solution ( WW4 ) has a lot going for it, but I really don't think it will ever happen, or work as well as it should. Remember, Russia is involved here too. If you are going to fight at all, fight to win, and fight until you have won. Anything less is a betrayal of the debt we owe our troops, our honor, and the future. |
