| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
I don't know what's better Rick, your firearms or your photography. Nice! | ||
| Reepicheep |
+1 what Rick said about magazines. I've personally shot guns that had magazines that had been left loaded for several years, no problems. I read in one of the magazines once about a guy that bought a 1911 from a friends widow... it had been loaded shortly after it came home from WWII and left in a night stand drawer. 50 years later, the guy bought it, took it straight to the range, and shot all 7 rounds without incident, just to dispel the "loaded magazines ruin springs" myth. (Note I think it is irresponsible to keep a gun that easily accessible when you are not around to protect inexperienced people from it, especially with the availability of cheap and fast to open safes.) | ||
| Blake |
>>> to protect inexperienced people from it Dude. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
This is a gun, it kills things This is my gun, don't touch it remember the a$$ whoopin you got when you sat in my chair - this will be much worse Now behave, and I will get you your own gun for your birthday I was age 5 - got my first gun on my Birthday you cannot respect the gun, if you do not know the reality of the gun. It is not Hollywood, Video Games, or Music Videos. It is with sole purpose to shoot, not a toy. If a five year old can learn it - why the f' cant politicians learn to respect the gun and the freedom / responsibility it requires. Teach your kids to shoot. (it pays off when Geometry comes around) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Politicians remove freedoms under the guise of protecting us from ourselves. We can't privatize Social Security because we can't be trusted with managing our own investments. Guns are no different. There are none safer than slaves. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Brian (Cityxslicker), that reflects my own upbringing in Chicago back before it became a waste. Although it was also then, a very liberal Democratic city I was raised with solid conservative values. We hunted, fished and did many fun things in the rural areas. It was our freedom! I got my first "weapon", a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun at 5 and when I had proven to be a safe little guy to be with my Dad and uncles using all the good firearm practices, I was allowed to get a nice Savage 16 ga. single at age 12, which I still have. It is a true keepsake. Thanks Dad. When my wife and I moved to Utah in 1982 we found the meaning of true freedom and I taught my kids as I was taught. "Teach your kids to shoot. (it pays off when Geometry comes around)" Well stated and I concur 100%. Thanks. | ||
| Reepicheep |
It's the same reason, when I was putting hardwood floor in the new addition, I would unplug the chop saw when I was done for the evening. To protect un-experienced people from an attractive nuisance and misuse of a tool. If my 8 year old has a friend over, I don't know what tools they will touch or what they will do, and I am not always there to keep an eye on everything. For a chop saw, unplugging it seems prudent. For a loaded handgun, putting it in a $39 harbor freight digital safe seems prudent. Tactically, I'm not in a position where I feel like the 10 seconds I would gain having it outside the safe is worth the risk of a casual thief or an ignorant child picking it up and using it in ways I don't want it used. Call it condition 5... full magazine, no round in chamber, locked in digital gunsafe, in the same room I sleep in. In my opinion, if it is my gun it is my responsibility, so I should either have it in arms reach and be awake, have it secured where it takes some tools, time and talent to acquire it, or have it handed to someone else I feel will take appropriate responsibilities with it. This would be true from the moment I buy a gun to the moment I sell it. I would probably feel a little differently if we lived or were staying in a bad neighborhood, such that the probability of armed intruders were higher than the probability of a child or a fool coming across the weapon. Though in that situation, my first choice would be to get the &*&^ out of that situation, not leave a loaded .38 in the nightstand. | ||
| Macbuell |
Tactically, I'm not in a position where I feel like the 10 seconds I would gain having it outside the safe is worth the irisk of a casual thief or an ignorant child picking it up and using it in ways I don't want it used. Call it condition 5... full magazine, no round in chamber, locked in digital gunsafe, in the same room I sleep in. I agree with this although my handgun is loaded with a round in the chamber with the safety on. | ||
| Cowboy |
My Glock is eather on my side or under my pillow 100% of the time. | ||
| Ducbsa |
The HF safe MSRP is $139. on sale now for $109, still a good deal to me. | ||
| Sifo |
Tactically, I'm not in a position where I feel like the 10 seconds I would gain having it outside the safe is worth the risk of a casual thief or an ignorant child picking it up and using it in ways I don't want it used. Certainly every situation is different. You may only have 10 seconds or less to react. You won't know until it happens. My house has no children, and if people are visiting with kids that I feel I can't trust, I have put my guns away. As it is, they should have no business on that floor of my house, much less in my nightstand. Still I have put it away a couple of times. Most of my guns are stored locked up anyways. Having kids around complicates EVERY decision you make about a gun in the house. I encourage any parent to think about things carefully. There are many ways to keep your guns and kids safe together. I don't believe in a one size fits all solution. I respect your decision on this though, and hope you never even have to test your 10 second assumption. Personally I would consider a biometric safe to keep away from kids, yet give the quickest access. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, I was at the range this morning and the number of people was down to a manageable level. I'm still not sure if what I've seen locally is representative of what's gone on in other states. There was a big rush around here with the recent court decision about concealed carry that happened to coincide with other national happenings. It's nice to not see 25 people waiting for range time on a weekday morning though. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"I agree with this although my handgun is loaded with a round in the chamber with the safety on." This is my safety, sir.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Here is the Harbor Freight safe I recommend to friends who are considering buying a handgun. http://www.harborfreight.com/electronic-digital-sa fe-45891.html Generally $49, occasionally on sale for $39. Bolt it to studs on a wall. Not impossible to crack, but it will stop most kids and require anybody take some time and make a lot of noise to overcome. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Don't trust gun safes 100%. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/gun-safes / Scare sheet to be sure. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I use the same safe bolted to the night stand. It won't deter someone who broke in knowing it was there, but it would keep a kid away from the gun and a burgler from getting to it. | ||
| Macbuell |
That is disturbing especially since my safe is a Stack-On. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
One bad thing about a "round in the chamber".....house fire! That gun is going to "cook off" the chambered round with full power. Where will the bullet go? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What about a revolver? you've have 3-5 rounds cooking off? | ||
| Rick_a |
Thanks Blake. It's all pretty amateurish, but I do my best. | ||
| Sifo |
What about a revolver? you've have 3-5 rounds cooking off? Only one will be aligned with the barrel. The rest may make shrapnel that you wouldn't want to be standing next to, but won't be a bullet at supersonic speed. It is an interesting point about cooking off a round in a fire though. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The exposed cylinder makes for short barrels. By your logic, they could be just as dangerous. What about the 4000 rounds of ammo? What about the gallons of gasoline? Propane tanks? Rubbing alcohol under the sink? Pints of moonshine? Somehow if my house is on fire, the one bullet in the chamber is the least of my worries. | ||
| Blake |
Bill, I was only picking on your semantics, which conjure the image of an inanimate object seeking out victims. >>> to protect inexperienced people from it The inexperienced and not so bright may need protecting from themselves, but not from an inanimate object. Always a good idea to practice firearms safety. Sorry to be so picky.  | ||
| Jramsey |
Always a good idea to practice firearms safety. Yep,we have many stashed in the house/shop. When the kids call and say they're coming to visit with the grandkids the wife an I "sweep" the house/shop so to speak and replace them after they have left. } | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Ammo in a fire is pretty much nothing..It just pops with no pressure containment to make it go BOOM.. Always fun to throw a 44 maq in the pot belly stove. The casing is usually the projectile.Takes longer than you would think for it to cook off. About like a fire cracker.Propane tanks have pressure release safeties and just WHOOSH a stream of flame.Bigger tanks can bleve with a big fireball and the tank usually stays in place or spins around wildly for a moment. 500 gallon or bigger tanks can,will and have killed. Nasty business there! Spray paint cans... can become projectiles,but are pretty anemic. Gas cans melt and the fire is fueled till it quickly burns off.Small containers of flammable liquids are nothing. Most of the time ,the surrounding fire is hardly even boosted by a quart of flammables.I set up a 50 BMG inside a truck brake drum to cook off with a propane flame. It blew out the primer and spit out the bullet...pretty much a "yawn". I keep my revolver with the hammer down between rounds. Nothing can go out the barrel in a cook off. Adjacent cylinders will shred the bullet on the frame and the outboard free and clear rounds will be under powered with no barrel to build up pressure and velocity. Probably enuf debris in the fire to slow or stop the tumbling bullet. | ||
| Sifo |
I just took a look at our revolvers. Our 8 shooter, the cylinder is big enough that 2 rounds would be able to have a clean exit. Out 6 shooter, nothing has a clean exit (except the one at the barrel). The barrel length would effectively be less than 1/2 inch coming out of the cylinder. It would exit before pressure even builds near normal firing pressure. I doubt it would ever make it out of the nightstand. | ||
| Rick_a |
I did hear of a guy that lost an eye at a campfire due to buried live blanks. When we trained using MILES gear, a lot of guys buried unexpended blanks. We were not allowed to turn them in. Guys would do it to make cleaning rifles easier. I always volunteered to fire them out. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Thanks for that link about the gun safes. I've been thinking of getting one to keep my 45. We don't lock them up as we very rarely have any kids in the house (when we do the handguns get locked up with the rifles). However, my grandfather's 45 is one of those items I'd be devastated to loose if we were robbed... even worse that it would likely then be used for crime. I want to get something that can be bolted down to the floor so it can't be removed but has biometrics so me or Ashley can get it as quickly as if it were in a drawer. I'll be sure to do more research before I buy. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Agreed Blake. A hoplophobe (or anyone with any kind of unnatural fear of tools of any kind) would jump to conclusions based on the phrasing I used. I don't have irrational fears of my guns self animating and stalking me. I'm not so sure about my 2hp router though... I think that really is out to get me and I give it the stink-eye every time I walk into the garage. I sleep better knowing it's not bolted to the router table. God help me if the Transformers movies become real. That little &^&^%^ will turn into a deceptecon for sure. What were we talking about?  (Message edited by reepicheep on February 06, 2013) | ||
| Macbuell |
So I got the Kel Tec Sub 2000, finally. I actually didn't think I was going to get it after hearing about REALLY long production delays. But now that I have it I cannot find Glock 17 Magazines anyway. No where!! So all I have is the one 10 round magazine that comes with the rifle. Does anyone know where I can find some Glock 17 Magazines? I would also like to pick up a couple of the 33 round magazines as well. Any help will be greatly appreciated. |
