| Author | Message | ||
     Thumper1203 |
Bill O'rielly calls out and exposes CNN(and MSM) on their incessant anti-gun propaganda tonight.. not a huge fan of Bill's work, but way to go!.. a big step in the right direction.. anyone catch the episode? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
be sure that if they have devalued the second as they have - they do not care for the sanctity of the first (unless it is their mantra) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And so it begins; if you cannot legislate by representation, move by executive order, failing that - attack the money http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/emanuel-to- banks-stop-supporting-gun-makers/ | ||
| Fb1 |
City, your link ties in nicely with this:
Source, and more: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/01/16/villarai gosa-takes-obamas-gun-control-reform-one-step-furt her/ There are a million ways for our government to slowly bleed the Second Amendment to death, quietly and mostly under the radar, one flesh wound at a time. We're only five days into Obama's second term... | ||
| Kenm123t |
FB those companies should follow Ronnie Barretts example NO Business with Calif leos. No sales so warranty work no ammo sales to gov agencies. If all FFLs and the entire gun industry cut off the leos In NY the gun owners told the Coumo they will not register etc and He had better raise a lot of taxes and start building a lot of prisons for the millions that wont obey. | ||
| Sifo |
I had a thought yesterday that I just can't get out of my mind. First off, I'm not sure who would organize such a display of civil disobedience, perhaps some Motor City Madman, but civil disobedience seems to be something that liberals understand. Perhaps it will come to this. So here's the plan for an act of civil disobedience that would certainly get attention. Virgina allows open carry. It's a very few miles from VA state line to the White House. It's an easy march. If you were to assemble 10,000 or more (I think a "million man march" may be optimistic) folks openly carrying firearms in VA where the law allows, and then simply defy the authorities to stop the group from marching right past the White House. I realize this would be a somewhat risky thing, but at some point you have to make it clear what the second amendment was written for, or let it erode to a long forgotten right. It would be an equally risky political nightmare for the authorities if things were to go sideways. Would they dare to try to surround and apprehend 10,000+ people who are peacefully asserting a Constitutional right? One misstep by the authorities and you could literally be sparking the first shot of a new civil war. Aside from calling out national guard, they would also find themselves hopelessly out numbered. The certainly would understand that use of force could turn into a blood bath that would have them on the loosing end. The upside of doing this is making a clear statement that further erosion of the second amendment will not be tolerated. The whole idea after all was to have government fearful of it's citizens, not the citizens fearful of the government. Thoughts? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sifo, take it to the next step, and assume a large loosly organized group will be infiltrated by some opposed to the larger groups cause. What kind of mayhem could they create? So not saying it couldn't work (or it's a bad idea) but it would take some thinking about "anti-use" cases. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, take it to the next step, and assume a large loosly organized group will be infiltrated by some opposed to the larger groups cause. What kind of mayhem could they create? Are we talking anti-gun folks showing up with their guns to cause trouble? Or possibly those who would be hoping to start a civil war? I fully acknowledge there would be a good deal of risk in this. I think there was a lot of risk involved in the Boston Tea Party too. In fact that eventually lead to a big war. | ||
| Rick_a |
  Well, what do you know...a hollow law. Let's do it again  | ||
| Britchri10 |
The act of assembling in VA with the intent of marching on Washington could be construed as an unlawful assembly under common law in the USA. I can't quote you the Statutes offhand as they apply to assembly in VA but law enforcement could take action to A) Prevent the assembly & B) disperse the assembly. All of this can be achieved by LE without violating any constitutional rights of those assembled. (I know this is contentious). I would be willing to wager that this is what would happen. I would not be willing to wager on the outcome. (FWIW: I am not a Constitutional scholar. Heck, I'm not even a Citizen yet. I'm just transposing some experiences from my previous life in the UK.) Chris C | ||
| Sifo |
"There's a lot of people who have been shot with an unloaded gun." We really are doomed if we keep electing people like this into office. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Is that like being stabbed with a un-bladed knife?  People like that worry me... Chris C | ||
| Cityxslicker |
who needs facts when you have an idiot with a tv mic and an antennae to broadcast? | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, while in my minds eye, I love the picture, in reality I see the fake tea party people with racist signs and crazy slogans. Minions of the SEIU, and leftists paid to attend the tea party events IIRC. This White House has much experience in fake reactions, fake causes and fake people. They LIVE by the straw man and love to put words in others mouths to condemn them. How else do you think Barry got re-elected when unemployment, inflation, deficits, debt, homelessness, energy costs, food stamps, dependency and loss of freedom went fairly steadily up his whole admin? While the bozo in the clip above is, yes, mentally challenged in areas outside her expertise, ( lying to you ) she has a point even though she doesn't know it. Almost all accidental discharges happen with "unloaded" guns. Operator error, dumbness, lapse of care. Dropping the mag but not clearing the chamber/"clearing" the chamber with a loaded mag..... We even had a case locally where some teens played "russian roulette" backwards. They aimed the gun at each other. The survivor is in jail. I'm convinced that at least some so called suicides were attempts at russian roulette with a semi-auto. Evolution in action. If you don't know why that is funny, and tragic, then either go away and ignore this thread, you are too ignorant to have an opinion. Or, if curious and honest, ask, and I will explain without mocking. Mental health. Executive Dictats. http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/pending-regs/279 345-holder-begins-gun-control-push Support for the Prez from the people any one with a brain would expect. http://www.infowars.com/communists-cheer-on-obamas -gun-grab/ ( as an aside, I was furious when the tragedy of the "superstorm sandy" blackout took the CPUSA web site off line and I waa unable to prove that the Communist Party Endorsed Barack Obama, again, before the election ) A guy I don't always agree with, but better with words than I am right now. http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/01/28/g un-laws-and-the-fools-of-chelm-by-david-mamet.html | ||
| Aesquire |
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788 | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/gun_control _a_failed_american_experiment.html Virginia's Law Review championed a "prohibitive tax" on handgun sales to blacks because the: "...cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime ... .Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights." [Comment, Carrying Concealed Weapons, 15 Va L. Reg. 391, 391-92 (1909); George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal, Vol. 2, No. 1, "Gun Control and Racism," Stefan Tahmassebi, 1991, p. 75] Don't you hate it when history rhymes? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
folks openly carrying firearms in VA where the law allows, and then simply defy the authorities to stop the group from marching right past the White House. There is a precedent. Every summer there is a gathering of pot smokers in Lafayette Square which is located directly across Penn. Ave. from the White House. They openly smoke marijuana in protest of the law. | ||
| J2blue |
Sifo, I had been thinking about what an assembly might look like last Thursday. In my mind rather than carrying actual guns each protester simply carries a long wooden dowel, essentially a broom stick. I would push for much more than 10,000 people, I would go for at least 100,000. I hadn't thought about the march past the Whitehouse, but I like that idea. The sticks would be as powerful symbolically without posing a practical threat for local law enforcement to have to deal with. Remember, law enforcement agencies are on our side of this debate overwhelmingly. For whomever might assume the lead organizing role, some logistics need to be thought out and a reasonable and economical plan presented for anyone who would consider joining. For me, it would require airfare to get there, possible time off work, and basic lodging expenses. Volunteers who live within a roughly 100 mile radius would need to help accommodate the influx of people and help transport them to staging areas. The rest of how to do a protest is beyond me. It isn't time to risk instigating a war, or more likely, a massacre at the hands of government. No laws have been passed... yet. I talked to one gun dealer today who seemed confident the Feinstein bill will never become law. I certainly hope it won't. Another form of group protest is to stage smaller ones at each state capital. Local media is more likely to pay attention to that and people will hear about it. If you go to Washington you can easily be ignored by the msm, just like the pro-life rallies have been for the past 40 years. You realize they had about 100,000 people gathered on the mall just this week? Most people don't know that unless they actively keep up with that movement. | ||
| Fb1 |
Another form of group protest is to stage smaller ones at each state capital.
http://youtu.be/jU_6fBdo6qU | ||
| J2blue |
Heh, I spent a lot of time at the Capitol when I lived in Nashvegas fighting against the threat of income taxes. Damned republican governor wanted it, then a democratic governor proved it wasn't needed. Strange... :-| I will look up my current states possible protest for February 8th. Thanks for passing that on. | ||
| J2blue |
Ah! Here we go: Pro-Second Amendment Rally at the State Capital--Permit Submitted! Friday, February 8, 2013 12:00 PM To 4:00 PM Colorado State Capitol 200 East Colfax West steps of the Capitol building Denver, CO This one seems to be organized by the Libertarian Party of Colorado, but is open to all lovers of the second amendment. Here is a link: http://www.meetup.com/lpcolorado/events/99567582/ | ||
| Sifo |
J2blue, I like the idea of carrying gun symbols. Paint them tactical black of course! Toy guns might be good too if allowed by law. The reason I set the number so low was because of the risk involved. Each person would be risking not only his life, but also, and arrest and prosecution would deny him the right to own guns in the future. It's a lot to ask of a protester. Carrying a symbol would enable many more participants. I don't think it would have the same impact on our leaders though. It's one thing to ignore a large group who risks nothing. It's much harder to ignore a smaller group who are willing to risk not only criminal prosecution, but life and limb. I have mixed feelings on when the time is right. A part of me says the time to take such non-violent action is BEFORE they pass MORE laws. Keep in mind, they have already made it illegal for me or you to carry a gun in D.C. They have in fact passed laws infringing on our rights, and are feeling emboldened to further infringe upon our rights. That's what already make this such a dangerous thing to consider in the first place. The logistics of a large demonstration are beyond me. Perhaps we could simply hire the same professional protest groups that the left hires.  I wonder what they would do when they get off the bus and they are handed their tactical broom stick. Locally, we march on Springfield, IL March 6th. It's an annual event. http://igold.isra.org/ Sifo, while in my minds eye, I love the picture, in reality I see the fake tea party people with racist signs and crazy slogans. Minions of the SEIU, and leftists paid to attend the tea party events IIRC. It's pretty easy to self police this sort of thing. You just need to explain (politely, but firmly) that those signs aren't going to be tolerated at this event. When I've seen that done, it hasn't been an issue at all. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
One or two plants that decide to cap off a few rounds in the direction for LEO is all it is going to take. I avoid crowds - the herd is entirely to easily led - no matter the 'cause'. unfortunately this thing would be ripe for a false flag attack and some minion simpleton to believe he is doing a greater good.... remember - they already have labelled returning vets as terrorists | ||
| Sifo |
One or two plants that decide to cap off a few rounds in the direction for LEO is all it is going to take. No doubt that's true. It would however take a huge commitment to your anti-gun philosophy, as well as a huge amount of hypocrisy to start shooting at police at a pro-gun rally. I certainly won't claim that this sort of conflicted mentality wouldn't happen though. It's certainly visible in various "environmental" organizations. As I think about it, this sort of conflicted mentality exists in most liberals from what I can see. | ||
| Thumper1203 |
This fella' has some interesting talking points w.r.t Joe Bidens stance on gun-control.. I watched the actual interview, boy was it messy.. very much embarrassing. (possibly for a reason?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygFY1EWE0J4&NR=1&fe ature=endscreen Link to the interview.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYlkknrku4 warning.. a bit hard to watch  (Message edited by thumper1203 on January 27, 2013) (Message edited by thumper1203 on January 27, 2013) (Message edited by thumper1203 on January 27, 2013) | ||
| Ducxl |
^^^^^i agree 100% with that clip posted.J.B. made some very good points.Points like the time to swap out a clip and how the Gabby Giffords dude got stuck re-loading.I am now FOR limiting magazine capacity.NOTHING else tho. As a machinist by trade i love the mechanics of a gun.Have a cool Mossberg 500 i haven't used in years.I should get some bullets (SHELLS! HAHAHA) just for home security.I doubt i'd EVER need a 50 round clip and a rifle/whatever to defend our home. It is about GUN SAFETY | ||
| J2blue |
Bahaha. Some magic number makes a magazine safe? Does it feel insecure with too many bullets in its throat? Does it just get trigger happy and can't be trusted by the gun owner to not pull the trigger? Maybe with fewer bullets the poor magazine will have to have an owner who knows how to swap him out with his brother magazine. Lord knows all crazy people don't know how to effectively swap magazines quickly. Nope, an exhausted short magazine is far more safer than his well hung cousin Vinny, you can't trust that guy. Heck, with Vinny you don't even need a gun owner to pull the trigger, he just sprays bullets all over the place indiscriminately. No way we want Vinny around, just not safe. I've said this to other people, and I'll try to be nice about it. Who the heck are you to say how much capacity me or anyone else needs in a gun magazine? I'll bet you don't shoot your shotguns very often, and I'd say you really don't know why gun enthusiasts might want more magazine capacity because you have no imagination period. Do I tell you how much toilet paper you need to wipe your butt? How about machining oil, I really don't see why you need more than this amount, I don't really see that you need to do that much machining. Pffftt! Joe Biden is a dunderhead that doesn't have a clue what he is saying, he just memorizes what he is supposed to say. | ||
| Ducxl |
I do not.Why would an enthusiast want a 300 round clip? In the video posted,Mr Biden struggles to acknowledge why too.Explain please?
If you REALLY want to continue to obtain ANY gun parts you'd not ask that.I make a TON..TONS of gun parts.From AAMRAM to muzzleloaders. It SEEMS the nuts bent on murder thrive on large capacies.In the video above,Joe speaks of the GAbby Giffords dude expending 150 bullets..REALLY?? Is that true? If so i FIRMLY believe these large cap mags must ban | ||
| Kenm123t |
if its for a mini gun 3000rds in the mag is good Ar15 30 is good 20s if your shooting prone. A Clip holds 5 - 10 rounds the most common is the 8 round Lufkin made Garand clip for the M1 Garand. Magazines are not clips If your running a Saw 100 belt same for the M-60 and your A Gunner is linking as it runs. Mag sizes help the typical sport shooter in defense by allowing him to concentrate on the situation and less on reloading. I shot Ipsc with 7 rounds in a 45 and when in practice have no problem keeping up with the 9mm shooters using hi capacity mags. large mags help the homeowner handle the situation and not reloading. less panic better tactics and fewer mistakes. Deal with the problem bad people wanting to pick up everyones toys because the bad kids had a problem is a sign of emotional immaturity or in Fiensteins case senilty. We need to investigate her families ties to China through Fluor etc, Her family competes with Halaburton and Carlisle Group which is why the Demonrats went after Cheney. Fluor etc all over the mid east While we are at it Look in to Pelosi and family they are playing the same game. | ||
| Ducxl |
plausible response Ken. Seems like a typical "knee jerk reaction" after Newtown.As small a percentage as it is claimed to be it is very disturbing to see these so called mass shootings in many schools around our country. WHAT IS the answer? |
