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     Geedee |
"A nutter, like Martin Bryant in Tasmania in 1997 (which set off the whole gun related issue in Australia) armed with "assault" weapons kills 35 and injures many more." Despite its massive shortcomings, the interrogation transcript remains invaluable as a record of Martin Bryant's side of the story. It is a great pity that Australians have condemned him without ever taking on board what he had to say on the very first occasion on which he was confronted with the accusation of having perpetrated the Port Arthur massacre. For those convinced of Bryant's innocence, the transcript also sheds a great deal of light on the devious processes by which he was framed. A careful reading of the transcript establishes beyond doubt that the police manipulated him into a situation in which the most heinous allegations could be raised against him, and he had absolutely no means of challenging them—no means, that is to say, other than his own extremely limited intelligence, which psychiatrist Ian Joblin states is roughly equal to that of an 11-year-old. A day in the life of an unwitting patsy. http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/entries/s how/21453279-the-port-arthur-massacre-was-martin-b ryant-framed- A very high profile Kiwi died in that staged psyops terrorist job, just like Norway, Aurora and Newtown. I followed it closely, and still do. Gullible public. | ||
| Blake |
Gaesati Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 07:11 am: Gun control in Australia after Port Arthur massacre 17 years ago:10 mass killings in the preceding 9 years vs. none in the following 17 years. gun death rate per 100,000 population has halved. 1. "Gun death rate" includes justified homicide (self-defense), suicides, and accidents, thus not the best measure for what ought be the primary concern, murder rate. 2. Honest consideration of the effect of gun ban and control ought include statistics for violent crime. Where a population is stripped of their defensive arms, the criminal element is more free to perpetrate evil. 3. The gun death rate in America had the same trend over the same interval, this while laws legalizing the carrying of handguns swept the nation. But contrary to places like Austraia and Great Britain, where violent crime skyrocketed, the violent crime in America also decreased. 4. Do you really believes that prohibiting lawful people from defending themselves is a good idea? 5. Given that virtually all the mass murders in recent history, now totaling in the hundreds of millions, have been perpetrated by governments upon a disarmed populace, how is it now a good idea to give up our weapons? 6. The justification for taking peoples' ability to defend themselves is that you just want to save lives? How many lives are saved and rapes prevented by defensive use of firearms? 7. Cars kill a lot more innocent folks in Australia than guns ever did. So too booze. Ban cars? Ban booze? Hypocritical? 8. We are told that killing unborn babies is mere choice. Since 1973 in America 50+ MILLION of the most defenseless and innocent human beings have been brutally murdered, ripped apart limb-from-limb, burned to death by caustic sodium, some virtually born, only their head still in contact with the birth canal, stabbed in the neck with scissors and their brain suctioned out. All promoted and endorsed by our govt, the same cabal who want to take away our right to best defend our lives and the lives of others. We should let them? Never!!! You've been misled, not told the whole (honest) story. We must educate ourselves on such deeply political issues. Truth matters. Emotional knee-jerk reaction in response to a tragedy most often leads to much more uintended tragedy (see victims of increased violent crime); it's just a really dumb way to legislate. | ||
| Fb1 |
...it's just a really dumb way to legislate. It's a brilliant way to control sheeple, though... | ||
| Fb1 |
This was in my in-box this morning; I haven't vetted the source:
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| Sifo |
Try looking at: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm _related_death_rate or http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20serie s/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.html One can draw any appropriate conclusions. But my stance is that gun control in the U.S. is an ideological issue best dealt with by Americans for Americans. Wiki link doesn't work. The problem with the information in your second link, is that it focuses very narrowly on deaths by guns, not homicides in general. An analogy to make my point... If you decide to ban, lets say whiskey because you feel it is too heavily involved in drunk driving deaths, I have zero doubt at all that you could then produce the "facts" that drunk driving fatalities, from people drinking whiskey had dropped. This however says nothing at all about the issue of drunk driving. There is of course a problem with my analogy. What we lack, is valid statistics on how many peoples lives have been saved by being able to defend themselves with a gun. I know for a fact that it happens. The statistics just aren't compiled though. I'm not aware of anyone who has managed to save a life by driving while drunk on whiskey though. If you don't see a potential issue with the same government who banned guns compiling statistics that show how effective that gun ban has been, I have but one word to say to you. Baaaa. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
you have idiots with an agenda - that cannot tell the difference between a bayonet lug, swivel sling carrier, and a rail mounting pindle - that have never shot a gun, never carried one in combat, don't have one - that are driving this confiscation. Seems to me - that if you don't like guns - don't have one, but leave me and mine the F alone. I am always amazed that 'liberal' thought always seeks to limit freedom, choice, ownership | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, and more: http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2013/jan/22 /miller-national-assault-weapon-ban-coming-thursda y/ | ||
| Nukeblue |
no way that will pass! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
doesn't really have to- this president has shown that he is all too eager to push agenda by pen from his own desk; shiate he just signed another round of them this week | ||
| Fb1 |
no way that will pass! The President has proven, repeatedly, that he can do whatever he wants to do. That's the beauty of not playing by the rules. He has NO regard for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or Congress, for that matter. He's ABOVE all that. And we just gave him another four years. Heavy sigh. | ||
| Nukeblue |
i am totally wishful thinking i know.. the guy at the local store today told me something like the states don't have to follow exec orders? i honestly don't know bout that and it appears i might be lucky and actually have a sheriff that is against this stuff coming down. that's great news, as long as the deputies do too i suppose | ||
| Aesquire |
The Clinton-era bill was not renewed by Congress after the Federal Bureau of Investigation and law enforcement agencies reported that it was ineffective in reducing crime. "cosmetic features". That is an accurate statement. A brand new reproduction of a Civil War musket has at least one of those cosmetic features. So does a Napoleonic war rifle. So does a WW1 shotgun. NY just banned a bunch of stuff that has no connection with anything except banning guns to ban guns. The proposal has already been made in the NY Senate to confiscate our guns. Andy wants to go from Emperor of New York to King in D.C. and he's pretty damn good at lying about what he does. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.therightscoop.com/ny-assemblyman-expose s-real-gun-control-confiscation-agenda-of-democrat s/ A bit of a repost, but it's important to know that they WILL try and confiscate your property, and they WILL lie to you about it. Even after the jack booted thugs smash your door. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
gun ban zero tolerance idiocy http://tinyurl.com/ag4a8rw | ||
| Sifo |
Come on City! You can clearly see that was a Saturday night special piece of paper. Specifically designed to be cheap, concealable, and disposable. Nobody should be allowed to own that sort of paper! | ||
| J2blue |
Apparently there is official word that the AR style rifle was not used in the shootings and that, indeed, it was left in the car. I don't have a link but I think the clip I saw was from NBC, believe it or not. Please post up anything you find out on this. BECAUSE: The proposed gun ban is in response to the shootings at Aurora, where the rifle jammed after getting off only a few rounds, AND the rifle at Sandy Hook never was fired because it was left in the car! I would like to know what the magazine capacity of each of the 4 handguns used at Sandy Hook was. If even one turns out to be less than the proposed magazine ban, well... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I heard NY is going to ban college ruled all together because more lines are more dangerous | ||
| S21125r |
J2 - be careful - the NBC clip you are referring to is about 5 weeks old. I almost got fooled by it myself and was about to do an "in your face" to one of my liberal friends. | ||
| J2blue |
Thanks for the catch. I wondered why no other news outlet was carrying it. | ||
| Sifo |
The coroner has said that all the bullet wounds were from the AR-15 weapon. Then again, seeing the coroner actually speak doesn't give much credibility to anything he says. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Shawn(Nukeblue), here is a litle more info on what states can do. Its on gun control only but states are also pushing back against Obama on other issues like Obamacare. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865571330/Gun-b ill-would-make-concealed-weapons-permit-unnecessar y.html This could be a problem in some areas of the country and it will have much contoversy and debate. Its true the administration can do many things, as long as they are constitutional. Obamacare was a stretch and was only partially upheld by the Supreme court. The 2nd Amendment is very clear on just what it states. Also: 10th amendment to the Constitution "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This leaves an awful lot of things that the states can and should do by themselves. Then again many times an administration has used blackmail to force the states into doing things we don't want. When the national 55 mph speed limit was tried years ago many states went along with it or be forced to loose federal highway funds. That was wrong. Executive mandate is abused many times especially by Obama. | ||
| Buffalobolt |
Aesquire, I just found out last night that there will be a Second Amendments Rights march on the capital, in Albany, on 2/22/13 at noon. Not sure who is organizing it, but some fellow IPSC shooters from a local club forwarded it to me. I'm checking with our shooting club tonight to see who else is going. But, I'm planning to go at this time. Didn't know if you had seen/heard anything about that yet. | ||
| Buffalobolt |
These conversations, here of late, have been fascinating to me! It's amazing that the things that you were taught growing up, or thought you knew about history, and the Second Amendment were... let's just say askew, at best. I used to think about the "Shoot-out at the OK Corral" as the Earps were the good guys. In reality, they were keeping citizens from open carry in town. A perceived direct violation of their Constitutional rights! The history of urban centers is repeating itself! And, of course, as stated in the "would our military fire on US citizens" thread, the history of the Civil War/Northern War of Aggression was rife with constitutional violations. The further down "the rabbit hole" you get, the more you realize it is a vicious cycle in history! As others have stated, I think this is going to come to a head and get as ugly as anything in our history. If current gun and ammo sales are any indication, many others are fearing the same issue... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Here is the list of guns that were proposed to be banned / nationally registered today... http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ Feinstein-Weapons-Ban-e1359047805173.jpg  I don't own any of those pistols on the list. Kinda makes me feel like I'm not trying hard enough. Kinda like a double dog dare... I didn't want one, but since you told me I can't have one...  | ||
| Fb1 |
Here is the list of guns that were proposed to be banned / nationally registered today... This is going to go over like a fart in church... | ||
| Sifo |
They probably don't even feel stupid including a "Colt Match Target Rifle" in the list. I see "Armalite M15 22LR" made the list too. IDIOTS! | ||
| Pdxs3t |
I strongly suggest writing your reps. You can go to www.ruger.com and with just a couple of click's, have letters sent to your Federal and State reps. All firearm owners need to be concerned. The 2nd Amendment is being challenged. And if you don't speak up and make yuor voice heard. There is much worse to come. | ||
| Sifo |
I see they also have at least one 22LR pistol on the list, "TEC-22 Scorpion". I feel so much safer knowing these .22 pistols will no longer be threatening me on the street. Some thug will still be able to shoot me with a cheap .357 Magnum though. | ||
| Sifo |
I wonder what choice Feinstein would make if she had to choose between being shot with a 30-06 hunting rifle, or a TEC-22? I know what I would choose. | ||
| Fb1 |
I strongly suggest writing your reps. You can go to www.ruger.com and with just a couple of click's, have letters sent to your Federal and State reps. Jim, I just checked Ruger's website; the current tally is over 720,000 people and counting. It just takes a moment, people... |
