| Author | Message | ||
     Cityxslicker |
DSHS has been collecting firearms information data for over ten years. It is on their clinic intake patient assessment paperwork. Just try and single line it with a sharpie - watch the reaction of the support staff ... DAMHIK "Does your daddy or mommy have a gun in the house ? are you ever scared of it ? " .... yep - it comes; now ever quicker | ||
| J2blue |
Agreed, Sifo, their logic is twisted at best. They probably aren't aware of the inconsistency when it first comes out of their mouths. Later, some tactical damage control person employed by the party explains it to them, and how they can best deflect any criticism based on their stupidity. It will all sound strangely plausible to most, of course. Having said that, in theory I think privacy has always had limits in regard to public safety, and rightfully so. The dang HIPPA act has severely confused most medical professionals and establishments so that if they did want to report that a lunatic they know has a gun and has declared he wants to use it on somebody then they are reluctant to report as they otherwise might. In the mental health field they do know about their right to report, which is sometimes a legal obligation. A letter from the executive office is unlikely to convince the perplexed medical provider of much, and the professionals who are already in a position to report know where to draw the line. To me that item is a filler to make the president look like he is doing something but doesn't do much, really. Other items of action include some that are in no way related to gun control or the latest massacre. Simply making permanent the job of the acting director of the ATF is a knee slapper. Might as well get some other issues completed to puff up the old ego! | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Any gun could be used for assault,even a toy one. Please define assault weapon New York. And,if you register it legally,does that stop(!)you from using it in a crime? When could you buy a gun on the internet ....legally?It still had to go thru a dealer....to be legal....WTF? All this because of Sandyhook.......and I really don't know for sure if the AR ever left the trunk of the car. Sad how retarded lawmakers are.Equally retarded as news reporters that should be the smartest people around because they get to see everything "first person"......../ This doesn't fix the problem.....it's not even a band aid! | ||
| Mtnmason |
The 'AR' at sandyhook that was left in the trunk (nbc and others still say that it was the gun 'used' in the massacre) was not even an 'AR' at all. Ariel video taken the day of the shooting clearly shows an LEO checking the weapon in the trunk. As he checks the action of the long gun it is without doubt obvious that the officer manipulates the bolt by using a charging handle located on the SIDE of the firearm. | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you, that Translation Of Obama's Executive orders is Priceless! Cowboy, Does LA permit you to own an Assault Rifle? NY does not, and has not for as long as I've known about. ( I wasn't here in 1938, so have a limited awareness of these things ) Let't look! Automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles, or silencers may not be possessed or transferred without permission of the Department of Public Safety, and must be registered with the Department. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Unite d_States_by_state#Louisiana So, yeah, you want an Assault Rifle, get permission from your Department Of Public Safety, get the FBI background check ( for Federal Permission ) and pay the $200 transfer tax, and wait 2 weeks to 24 months for the paperwork to go through. Then you can go to the properly licensed dealer and pick up the Automatic Weapon you paid for at the beginning of the whole dealeo. Don't forget the Form 4 letter that Must be kept with the Machine Gun at ALL times. Not with YOU, with the Machine Gun. At ALL times. ( just in the case close to you is ok if you are actually shooting it ) I would NOT recommend using your Assault Rifle ( Machine Gun ) for home defense. Seriously. For one thing, you are responsible for all the damage done by all the bullets. ( the reason the Oregon Mall hero didn't actually pull the trigger, there were people behind the murderer/suicide ) For another reason, your gun WILL be confiscated by the police while the investigation goes on. You MIGHT get it back after the Grand Jury comes back with a "you were a good guy" finding, but that is NOT guaranteed. It's likely you will have to sue to get it back, and if it's a high priced ( there is no other kind ) Machine gun, it was probably stolen by the police long before the Grand Jury and DA is done with you. Use a cheap shotgun instead. be glad you don't live in NY. The lawsuits are in progress. Our Gov want to be Prez and this is his ploy to show he's better, and faster than Barry. The law itself is arbitrary, and useless. One aspect of the NY law is the "Webster" provision that makes killing a First Responder ( Fireman, EMT, etc. ) a First Degree Murder Charge, previously only used for killing Police Officers. That's right, in NY a bad guy can chop you up with a chainsaw, live on tv, screaming he planned to kill you for months and really means it, and not get a First Degree Murder Charge. That's reserved for Peace Officers. ( and now First Responders ) Since I am sometimes the First Responder at an accident, just once last year, and once the year before, but it happens to me..( or I happen to it... ) I wonder if the law applies to me under those conditions? BTW the law would have done nothing to prevent it's namesake from happening. ( Webster Christmas Ambush ) Psychiatric drugs, Convicted Murderer, wanted to Kill & Die. Life without parole ( 1st Degree Murder mandatory ) didn't mean a thing to him. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mtnmason, do you have a link to that video? Showing it wasn't an AR? Most of the "reporting" on that tragedy has been ignorant and bogus. Contradictions and technical errors. Then the Spin and exploitation. I didn't pay a lot of attention to the conspiracy video above, I seldom believe that crap. OTOH, Fast & Furious. | ||
| F22raptor |
http://youtu.be/BQHWTfFV3Vc | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you, I think I'm in Love. | ||
| Fb1 |
Thank you, I think I'm in Love. Get in line, pal. 
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| F22raptor |
Gov. Rick Perry released the following statement regarding President Obama's executive actions: "The Vice President's committee was appointed in response to the tragedy at Newtown, but very few of his recommendations have anything to do with what happened there. "Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror. "There is evil prowling in the world - it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children. "In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president." | ||
| Fahren |
3D Printing Meets the 2nd Amendment short article - interesting:
(Message edited by fahren on January 17, 2013) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
So when does Obama's plan actually go to the Senate and Congress? I a little lost as to when his Executive Orders on the other crap begins too. | ||
| Macbuell |
I think the Executive Orders are immediate and I heard on the radio today that they expect they Senate to start debate on the Gun Control proposal in a couple of weeks. Most congressional analysts say the legislation doesn't have a good chance of passing. | ||
| Sifo |
I hope the House treats this legislation the same way the Senate has treated the budget for the past four years. Just ignore it! | ||
| Nukeblue |
so i've seen and heard talk about the pendulum swing, and how it's so far left now. but should equally swing back to the right eventually. ok it can start swinging back any time now... | ||
| Mtnmason |
Aesquire - I searched but couldn't find the video. D Adams (i think) posted either on this forum or the 'other forum' under which thread, I'm not sure. It was difficult to see the firearm as it was still in the trunk as the officer checked it. Saiga? doubtful. Ak. maybe. | ||
| Fb1 |
Said video: http://youtu.be/d516tIViRLI | ||
| Fb1 |
Source/more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17 /Oklahoma-Steps-Up-Threatens-5-Years-Imprisonment- For-Federal-Gun-Grabbers | ||
| Fahren |
Wow. With that type of law going in, and then the NY state type of law going in simultaneously, pretty soon you will have a new dividing line / 2-color map of the US: one color where the rate of gun-related crimes is high, and the other where it is low. It's kind of like the map or list of addresses of registered gun owners published recently - providing a guidebook of sorts for all types of bad folks: where to go, where to avoid. | ||
| Blake |
Fahren, The idea of printing an actual working magazine is still fantasy. We can print a non-working model of a magazine. We can't yet print a functioning magazine complete with floor plate, spring, and follower, not to mention the structural strength and durability desired. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Blake I am looking into it but you can use the model for the basis of a investment casting Similar to what Ruger does. Old cylinders sans liners would be usable for upper and lowers. and heat treated not up to Knight Stag or Armalite but usable. mags can be plotted in a Plasma or laser cutter bent and welded in a press brake. 20rds for a Ar no big deal 30s would take a forming die. If you run a plastic mag and ultra sonic weld it quick and cheap. Any injection moulder can do it 60 ton or larger. Millions of those machines in the country. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Have you seen that the genius NY State law didn't exempt the police? How many 7 round mags do they have? A former NYPD captain who is a state senator was quoted as saying the crooks can't out-gun law enforcement. Of course, the gun grabbers are happy for law-abiding Americans to be sitting ducks. | ||
| Rick_a |
This issue is very polarizing. It seems like several states are showing them selves as "free" or "non-free" states. I'm ok with that. As long as the anti-constitutional sentiment doesn't go national I'm ok. | ||
| Fahren |
Blake, The full article in Forbes magazine stated that they did have some initial failures, but that they got one working. The embedded video shows a guy shooting with one. I'm far from knowledgeable about such things, but it sounds as if it is a bit more than fantasy, even if it is not yet full reality. Emphasis on "yet." | ||
| Sifo |
What's so hard about printing a magazine? I would think printing the parts would be easy. You would need to assemble them and add a spring, but how hard is that? I've also seen video of a pistol frame that was printed and tested. It proved to not have the durability needed, but certainly demonstrated the concept. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
So how long will it take to ban these too?  | ||
| J2blue |
Ah geesh, I have allowed myself to get swallowed in the muck over in Facebook land. Idiots on both sides, and then precocious lads of average intelligence picking on the idiots with their repudiation based on Snopes.com or some other "your myth is busted" site. Of course the ones that I allowed to get to me are the ones that pick on the low hanging pro guns post that aren't well thought out or simply made up. I think I may have pushed a friend to the edge when I rebutted his rebuttal, which was just his way of saying, "look at how stupid your arguments against gun control are, see what this idiot on your side said that you agree with?" Of course I never agreed with the idiot in question(or little picture posts some idiot thought was right and cute). I usually stay silent on Facebook for that reason, but this is a friend I respect and know is very intelligent. But on the other hand I do feel I need to remind him he isn't above me in intelligence or moral authority, and that what he says is a direct offense to me, not the idiot he thought he was smugly taking aim at. We are in a war of words in this country, not a healthy debate. I don't see any signs of healthy debate being wanted by the current political powers that be. Nor do I see that in their respective constituencies. For the most part I do see good efforts to on the BadWeb, either side of the arguments, to vet ideas. Sure we sling a little mud, too. But when we start participating in the national debate in what seems to be the most popular stage right now, Facebook(!), we would do well to not encourage silly picture posts that may ring true in spirit, but can easily be poked fun at by others. I mean that for both sides of the debate, for I have surely seen such little bumper sticker comments. And don't take the bait to prove how wrong they are, either. It won't work. Oh well, just got a call to meet some detective buddies for lunch. We'll probably discuss how stupid the gun control nuts are. | ||
| Sifo |
New York Mayor Warns Of "Waco-Style Standoff" Over Gun Control Laws
So it come to threatening to kill people who may choose to follow the constitution instead of the soon to be enacted restrictions that turn law abiding citizens into criminals. I have to admit that I agree, this isn't going to end well. | ||
| Macbuell |
I have one of those Magpul Magazine Couplers. It's a neat little device. | ||
| Hootowl |
Wouldn't it be illegal to make a law that criminalizes past action? Pretty sure that's a constitutional violation. Wouldn't they have to grandfather existing guns, since they were legal when they were purchased? A vehicle that emits what my 67 chevy half ton emits is illegal to manufacture and sell today, but no one is attempting to confiscate my truck. It's been grandfathered. The same should apply to any product. |
