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     Nillaice |
when i started this thread i actually thought i'd be able to keep up on it. clearly i was wrong, as this is a topic on the minds of many americans right now. and for good reason. now, i'm all for a good conversation/debate/argument, but while you are waiting for the other guy to respond; please take the time to make a difference and let your government know how you feel on the issue. This link will take you to a Congressional website where you can quickly and easily email your Senators, Congressmen and the President: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/mail/?alertid= 61046526&type=ML just as spoons do not make people fat, guns do NOT kill people. people kill people. | ||
| Macbuell |
Guns are just physics and simple machines. Just like a car is a machine based on Physics, machines, electronics, and some computer technology. Neither guns nor cars can operate without human direction. Once you accept that fact it is easier to accept that the problem is people ... not guns. Still, I am all for a smart discussion about how to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not have guns WITHOUT infringing on the right of law abiding citizens to purchase firearms. | ||
| Sifo |
Still, I am all for a smart discussion about how to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not have guns WITHOUT infringing on the right of law abiding citizens to purchase firearms. That isn't the discussion they want to have. Very little is done to keep cars out of the hands of the wrong people either. That takes more innocent lives than "assault rifles" ever will. | ||
| Oldog |
speaking of smart discussion, Our friends on the left media have once again demonstrated their stupidity http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/ex-burglars-s ay-newspapers-gun-map-wouldve-made-job-easier-safe r/ From the mouth of a reformed burglar, "Having a list of who has a gun is like gold - why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?” - Walter T. Shaw, former burglar and jewel thief | ||
| Slaughter |
Kudos for a New York county commissioner who wants to protect his citizens by refusing the Freedom of Information Act request to release more names. He has taken the CORRECT response in that he is protecting citizens by not showing criminals where the guns are (and aren't) - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/04/releasi ng-names-gun-permit-holders-endangers-public-new-y ork-county-clerk-says/ | ||
| Fb1 |
Sources: http://www.therightscoop.com/biden-promised-boston -mayor-that-obama-will-pass-sweeping-firearms-refo rms-by-end-of-january/ http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverag e/2013/01/menino_veep_promised_him_fast_action_gun _control | ||
| Aesquire |
I think I should give Union man an answer to one of his leading and bogus questions about "high capacity magazines". First, they are not the problem, never have been and the reason you mention them is your dedication to repeating the propaganda efforts of others, mostly hard left anti freedom evil men. ( and women ) But it is, other than the propaganda factor and the fact that it is just an excuse to steal from you, a good question. First, to define "high capacity" magazines. The Proper definition is a magazine that is notable larger in capacity than the one commonly issued, either as a civilian sale or to the armed services. Thus, the "33 round" glock mag seen in a photo above in this thread, IS a "high capacity magazine". Others I can think of off the top of my head are a few 60 or 100 round AR mags on the market, and some 50 round AK mags. All, perfectly legal and legitimate to use and own in a free state, are High Cap Mags. All, mostly, are utterly useless, except for occasional competition and exhibition use. Some/Most IDPA & IPSC pistol and 3 gun competition don't allow such mags, as they can be an unfair edge in competition, since these matches are timed, and the time spent ejecting, controlling, & reloading a full magazine are designed to be part of the game. There is even, in some classes an effort to control costs by not allowing some "race gun" modifications and holsters. ( In IPSC, a "race gun" may have a huge funnel on the bottom of the grip to make reloading faster, a holographic sight, and be "held" in a holster made out of solid aluminum that only touches the gun in 3 carefully designed points to allow the fastest possible draw. Not a realistic fighting arm OR rig to carry to work ) The huge 50 rd mags for the AK make it so heavy and unbalanced, it's silly, and that's only less than double capacity. The High Cap AR mags have a far more ergonomic design, and have a lot more practical purpose, but are also stupid heavy. I could see a 60rd Surefire mag as very useful for a Prairie Dog Town cull hunt, where quick follow up shots in gusting winds are vital. Not so much Chuck hunting where a standard or downsized mag is fine. ( There are folk who will brag on that great 400+ yard shot. Good on them! When it took 50 rounds to connect? That part, they seem to forget. ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExdsszbGNHk Mostly it's in the category of fun & slightly silly. Hate to ruin the Zombie maven's 'tude, but I'd have one as a occasional fun thing, but you shouldn't need one for the Apocalypse. ( that isn't happening ) On that Subject, if you want to stock up on a few weeks of rations in case of flood, fire, power failure? ( always a wise thing ) buy on taste, not price. The HigH Cap Glock mags? Other than Hollywood, no one can carry the darn things concealed, and the only case I know of where a crazy actually used one? It was helpful in a bystander taking the gun away from the Gifford Assassination attemptee. Without the extra leverage, more may have died, so the only case I know of where one was used, High Cap mags saved lives. Ironic, true, and still not the point. I would almost be willing to go for Real High Capacity Magazines to be restricted by the same existing rules used for short barrel rifles, etc. But there is no real honest reason to do so. Every reason not to give in to lies and dishonest men. | ||
| Aesquire |
In the hands of Hollywood.... and a very hot young lady in remarkable shape with lots of takes.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P2IpUiFwwE Note: Possesion of THOSE toys requires a Federal license, a butt load of money...... I mean the guns. You perverts! | ||
| Ulyranger |
Aesquire, there are also reports that a "high capacity" magazine may have helped limit the Aurora CO madman's rampage. Apparently his 100 round AR mag may have jammed. Those large mags are more problem than they're worth. Here's a little look into the mindset of some of the more rabid grabbers; http://www.theblaze.com/stories/iowa-paper-publish es-radical-anti-gun-column-if-people-refused-to-gi ve-up-their-guns-prying-them-from-their-cold-dead- hands-works-for-me/ | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Pretty much officially whats proposed: "http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislat ion.aspx" Read "full story" Reject anything new on gun control, IT DOESN'T WORK. They just want to control US! | ||
| Buelltoys |
Uly, I take that as he is calling for the US to turn into a police/military state where they should just kill all law abiding citizens. I wonder why the FBI did not visit them to ask questions about making death threats like they did Ted N when he spoke for the NRA. | ||
| Aesquire |
Yes, Mr Kaul is a true heir to those who have always hated the NRA. We have 2 parallel strands of bad mojo here. Since very early days, slavery, to own another, has been a powerful force of evil. For thousands of years, it was tribal and commercial. You raided other tribes for slaves. Racial slavery has it's roots in Islam and Africa. Also China and The East. The American Slave Market, ( and the British one ) was centered around Arab traders who bought slaves from the various tribes, who constantly raided each other to capture slaves to sell to the Arabs.... To justify owning another, you have to sell the concept that "others" aren't human. "Not completely, poor things need a guiding hand" The European/American Model, had very noticeable characteristics to play off, and the rest,as they say, is history. And not the good kind. Post Civil war, the NRA taught marksmanship and safety in Black Churches. The Democrat Party, the soul of the Slave owning South, has never forgiven them. There's been years of spin and changes since the last Grand Klegal in the Congress passed away, ( oh, wait, that was just a bit ago... ) I mean since the D Party Elite had to quit owning slaves. The Other Track. A century ago, the Progressive neo marxist leftist fascism mind set got it's tendrils in the US, along with the rest of the world. The submission of self to State as a means of power has murdered hundreds of millions. The shiny toy offered is "total equality". A nice change from the Czars and Aristocracies that screwed over the planet, but the "social Justice" and "Economic Justice" that are part of the package is the excuse to own another. While there have actually been a few short lived experiments in philosophical Communism on a tiny scale in Kibutzes and Communes, in REAL life it is always the means for dishonest men who make themselves the new Aristocracy. In mr Kaul's message, you see the marriage of the leftist lie and the racist ownership of the "other" Dixiecrat style. The assumed implied superiority he flexes in his own head joins hands with the contempt for Self of the Deliberately Godless State Worshipers. ( that's one tortured metaphor, but I think that's what I mean ) Anyway, really scary time. They came for the Semiautos and I did nothing, because I wasn't a Semiauto. Something Rhymes here. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2013/01/guns-equal ity-land-where-thieves-rule.html | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Got banned from the public health board today - yep; my anti gun prohibition legislation, pro 2nd amendment, military service career was against their slant. meh what got me banned ? the question and citing of why - if guns are so abhorrant to health professionals - is the new health care cadre of the USPHS (R) ARMED, and to the teeth? I may have added snip or two about the Postal Service, Social Security, Dept of Ag, The IRS, and of course DHS - all arming themselves nicely They didn't care much for the reporting of the roadblock check points in Arizona either - not for Illegals - but by the new DHS 'youth corps' meh I will just make a new alias and lurk If you want to know what the bad guys are up to - read their mail. | ||
| Blake |
http://myfox8.com/2013/01/06/ga-mom-shoots-intrude r-5-times-saves-children/ | ||
| Hootowl |
That's just tragic. 6 shots to the face and she couldn't hit him in the eye? She needs to spend more time at the range. Now the good citizens of Georgia get to pay for a trial and incarceration, and the woman probably faces the possibility of civil damages. | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/06/georgia-mom-h ome-alone-with-kids-shoots-ex-con-intruder/ This one says 6. | ||
| Sifo |
Hard to hit him in the eye with the barrel shoved deep into his mouth.  In all seriousness, this points out the fallacy of the idea that you don't need over 10 rounds. An determined attacker, or someone on PCP or many other drugs just aren't necessarily stopped just because it hurts to be shot. I won't bother to detail all the things I considered when I chose 9mm as a reasonable choice for my home defense gun, but if they decide to limit the number of rounds to 10 or less, that WIll alter my choice to something far more likely to put the intruder down for good. With a 9mm and reasonably prompt medical attention, they may stand a good chance of living. I have no desire to kill an intruder, but am willing to live with that if I have to. I imagine I would lose sleep over doing so. Gun laws they are pushing right now will push me closer to being certain of taking a life if put in that situation. I imagine that some of the bad guys might have a similar thought process too. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
NEP NKVD Cheka do be do be do - right on f'n time. | ||
| Malott442 |
By the looks of the video, I would be buying a gun brand new to conceal carry. Keep on my person at all times proof of purchase with my permit. I can see how they are trying to do good, I really can. It's just sad that they have to offer up so much money to get citizens to be responsible. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
blake - awesome, thats my local station! interesting you, in TX is getting/reporting news from so far away, but rad that its Fox8. My dad and mother were both Roys folks for different (but overly the same, motorcycles) reasons (Message edited by hybridmomentspass on January 07, 2013) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"Crime is a product of social excess....A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." V.I. Lenin remember appropriately - we working stiffs are the bourgeoisie (if you hold any property, capital, liens, or financial contracts of ownership ) | ||
| Geedee |
The state demands we obtain a licence for everything because the licence is what deems us to be public servants whom the state controls. A license is a permit issued by the State, for you to do something that, were you not licensed, would be illegal. The State retains all control of your behavior with regard to the act being licensed. Any time you obtain any license you enter into a contract with the State. A license represents transfer of power of attorney over the licensed activity from you to the State. The State can revoke, suspend or amend your license at any time; you have no rights as long as you possess the license. Whenever you are confronted with licensing, registering or certifying anything with the State, it is attached to some contract; generally, one which places you under federal jurisdiction, since a Sovereign never needs to license or register his/her behavior. A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with subject. Ask yourself, "Am I a Sovereign or subject?". Act accordingly. | ||
| Geedee |
12 USC 95(b) refers to the authority granted in the Act of October 6, 1917 (a/k/a The Trading with the Enemy Act or War Powers Act) which was "An Act to define, regulate, and punish trading with the enemy, and for other purposes". This Act originally excluded citizens of the United States. Franklin Delano Roosevelt took office as the 32nd President of the United States in March 1933. Within days of his inauguration, FDR amended Section 2 of the dormant 1917 Trading With The Enemy Act to include "any person within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof". "It was here that every American citizen literally became an enemy to the United States government under declaration. According to the current Memorandum of American Cases and Recent English Cases on The Law of Trading With the Enemy, we have no personal Rights at law in any court, and all Rights of an enemy (all American citizens are all declared enemies) to sue in the courts are suspended, whereby the public good must prevail over private gain. This also provides for the taking over of enemy private property. Now we know why we no longer receive allodial freehold title to our land... as enemies, our property is no longer ours to have. The only way we can do business or any type of legal trade is to obtain permission from our government by means of a license." Seems to me you are caught between a rock and a hard place and the second amendment means didly squat. Because if you are licensed you have no rights, and if you are not licensed you are without exemption and an enemy of the state again, which you are anyway because you have declared yourselves citizens. Is your Constitution even in effect? (Message edited by Geedee on January 08, 2013) | ||
| Pwnzor |
No. It isn't. | ||
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| 1125rcya |
http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/01/will- indiana-nullify-federal-gunlaws/ http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/indiana-law-woul d-protect-gun-manufacturers-lawsuits | ||
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| Cityxslicker |
Printed on the dollar bill - This note for all debts public and private. by accepting the note, you agree that you are subject to the collection for debt 'created' by the Fed when they printed the money and loaned it to the central bank, and the fiat currency was loaded out with interest to that debt; and of course as such, the agents of the IRS are able to seize any, and all property,currency, titles, and assets to secure collateral against that debt. Notice appropriately, that the first 'employees' hired under the new 'Health Care Act' were 2600 newly minted IRS agents. The Constitution has meant little since the end of the Civil War when the original was rewritten to a Sovereign Corporation Entity instead of what the Founding Fathers envisioned. We are livestock. Bought, sold, traded, bartered, against predicted lifespan of consumption v production v entitlement v taxation v 'profit' v time to the end game of power and control. With any legislation or rhetoric from DC, or the Media - view it as a rancher dealing with a herd. Welcome to the show. The machine is getting hungry again ; |
