| Author | Message | ||
     Bob_thompson |
One of the lefts arguments is that there is no need for an average citizen to have "assault" weapons and that only the military should have them. "We the people" should only be able to have hunting type weapons. Let us just remember that when we fought for our independence from "the king" of England we had every weapon the British had and some things they did not have like determination for FREEDOM, and a God given just cause for our RIGHTS, something we desperately need to maintain forever. The anti's and socialists want us without the same equality in arms especially with the type of weapons we have to give them an edge if the "s*** hits the fan". I also hopefully believe our own military would be with freedom loving people all over and not ever use tanks, planes, etc. as the dictators are using overseas. Many times in overthrows of a dictatorship the military are the ones initiating a coup. | ||
| Geedee |
Why do so many of your politicians hold dual citizenship, particularly to Israel, in numbers out of all proportion to their % of population? Is it too PC for anyone to speak of this in America? The Oath of Allegiance to the United States The following is the text of the Oath of Allegiance: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. Dianne Feinstein opposes assault weapons in the US while voting for 30 billion dollars a year for assault weapons, fighter jets, and other armsmongering for the Netanyahu government. "Since citizenship carries with it a responsibility to be exclusively loyal to one country, the whole concept of dual citizenship and nationality raises questions about which of the dual citizenships have priority. This is extremely important when the two countries have opposing interests. It can be a deadly problem when a dual citizen is in a high position within American government. Her dual role as a puppet of the Israeli agenda and a US citizen makes her unqualified to hold office." http://fightingforliberty.ning.com/forum/topics/do es-american-citizenship-matter-anymore?xg_source=a ctivity One thing after abloodynother. Pointless even having a Constitution. The servants of 'We the People' have their own agendas. Line them all up against the wall and deal to them, while you can. The sooner you have a revolution and sort this shite out the sooner we can all move on. 80 years old, send Feinstein and all the other senile old fogeys to the retirement village to cause trouble. | ||
| Alfau |
Existing laws designed to prevent Wacko killings. http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/justice/posses sion-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx. | ||
| Aesquire |
Geedee, while "up against the wall motherf...." has always had a certain romantic quality to it, ( especially if you have utter ignorance of history, see French Revolution The Terrors ) we've tried hard for 200+ years to avoid it. Diane, ( rich from war profiteering husband ) Nancy, ( rich, refuses to let homeless near her ) etc. etc. are prime examples of elitist evil monsters that keep getting re-elected because they have a great staff and a media that will lie for them. BY the way, I've NEVER spoken such a twisted oath as you have printed above. I HAVE sworn an oath to uphold the US Constitution. The Same oath that Nancy, Barry, Diane and many others took, and violate, daily. Where does that one you "quote" come from? Ted Turner? I'm not going to assume automatically that your obsession with Israel makes you a neo-nazi or islamofascist jew hater. I'm a little concerned about the fellow from the "3rd Armored Division". | ||
| Sifo |
Many times in overthrows of a dictatorship the military are the ones initiating a coup. One more very strong argument AGAINST having a standing army.  Aesquire, that would be the oath one takes when becoming a US citizen. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Dianne Feinstein's new bill bans: Any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds,” except for tubular-magazine .22s. This makes the California compliant AR-15's with the 'bullet button'... banned. That "button" makes the AR with a removable magazine a fixed magazine firearm,as you can not remove the magazine with out a "tool"which is anything that can fit the hole in the magazine release button,including a bullet. Wonder why they excluded tubular magazines when they are so bent on control? | ||
| Ducbsa |
We can all relax http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336623/obama- 2008-flashback-i-am-not-going-take-away-your-guns- nathaniel-botwinick | ||
| Blake |
FB, Every gun ban in America I've learned about is unconstitutional. Illinois just learned that lesson. Before that it was D.C. Let's hope that trend continues. Harley, I thought Cali mags were limited to ten rounds. | ||
| Aesquire |
PVC pipe, use primer and glue, bury under AirConditioner or E Generator.. Perfect place for metal storage away from children. Dogs however........ Oooops! wrong thread, this was supposed to go to the "cut and paste" thread...  (Message edited by aesquire on December 30, 2012) | ||
| Aesquire |
"Wonder why they excluded tubular magazines.....?" A logical answer would be that Civil War technology is ok? The real answer is that the guidelines they are following are laid out for them and the .22's are on a later list to ban. It's not like Congress has a clue about anything in particular. ( except politics ) Nancy, Dianne, Barry, they didn't write this stuff. They don't have a clue what they are talking about, except the parts they get briefed in on for the microphones. | ||
| Old_guy |
Bus crash in Oregon? Obviously the bus had too high of a capacity, we should ban buses with a capacity over ten that will solve the bus crash problem. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Blake:True. An AR with the bullet button was legal to own and shoot with a ten round mag.Standard detachable magazine, not legal...thus,the workaround with the "bullet button" to make the AR a "fixed" magazine rifle. It had something to do with the number of assault features the rifle could have and still be legal in California.This writing of the bill bans everywhere, AR's with a bullet button magazine release if it has a capacity of more than ten rounds. That's the way I read it anyways........  | ||
| Ducbsa |
" the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" To me, the point is that we have the right and the 2nd amendment was passed to make it plain that the right cannot be taken away. | ||
| Hootowl |
The rights are not granted by the government, but it is the duty of the government to ensure that these rights are upheld. Why are some in government abdicating their oaths to uphold and defend the constitution? | ||
| Slaughter |
Not truly workplace safe (F-word is implied but not spoken) but it makes excellent points about Hollywood's hypocrisy in the post-Sandy Hook hysteria of "do something, do ANYTHING, even if it's wrong." | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Hootowl: "The rights are not granted by the government, but it is the duty of the government to ensure that these rights are upheld. Why are some in government abdicating their oaths to uphold and defend the constitution?" Thats a fairly easy answer Jeff. Your first thought is absolutely correct. Our rights are granted by and guaranteed by our constitution but many in government especially the leftist liberals want to control us with "their" philosophical views on everything and change the constitution to suit their views or at least try and ignore one of the greatest documents ever written for FREE people. We must resist at every level to change it and continue to uphold it AS WRITTEN. Modern times really do not change the basics for why it says what is says. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Why are some in government abdicating their oaths to uphold and defend the constitution? Because they are corrupt lying Marxists (read "Progressives"). The central pillar of Marxism is deceit. Lying and obfuscating is simply the core of who they are. Not that they have a monopoly on those traits. It's just that they are unanimous in embracing them. (Message edited by Blake on December 31, 2012) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012 /02/FINAL_FINAL.pdf ANY gun, arms, munitions, clips/mags/drum, launchers that this Government will give, sanction, walk, deliver to Mexican Drug Cartels: I should be able to purchase. Especially since they cant seem to shut that southern door for Shiate. | ||
| Buellinmke |
I don't want to deny anyone their right to legally purchase/own/possess/make firearms. I like guns alot and, in fact, own many guns. I was even a scout sniper for much of my active duty in the USMC. I also don't want to deny anyone their lawful, legal right to choose what they do with their own body. I may not agree with it, but it's the law and this wonderful nation follows the rule of law. Unlike you, I'm not into denying anyone their lawful rights. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Interesting pivot Joe. For the record, most of us that oppose abortion oppose it on exactly the grounds you pretend to defend. We believe that an aborted fetus is (well, was) a viable human, and will never have the right to do what they want with their own body. So feel free to argue if you want, but please don't put words in our mouths regarding motives. If your goal is to change our mind regarding abortion, you should be arguing the case that life somehow magically begins at the moment a fetus escapes the womb. (Message edited by reepicheep on December 31, 2012) (Message edited by reepicheep on January 02, 2013) | ||
| Slaughter |
I believe in post-partum abortion up to the age of consent. | ||
| Rick_a |
Bottom line is that a gun is not intrinsically evil, has no free will, and no soul. It does not and cannot kill or perpetrate crimes. Ban crazy, and ban evil. Banning a tool used in a very small percentage of murders is purely political. The aim is not public safety, the aim is additional governmental controls. | ||
| Blake |
>>> Unlike you, I'm not into denying anyone their lawful rights. Except for the baby with only its skull still in touch with the birth canal. What you call "choice" is based on one perspective, the woman carrying the baby. Why do you ignore the perspective of the baby? | ||
| Blake |
Babies can't vote. If they could, do you think they'd support or oppose legalized abortion? | ||
| Aesquire |
The ones who watch MSNBC would. Well, ok, the Greenies. You know, they only eat Organic baby Food. BTW, Blake, the life, liberty, pursuit of happiness deal is not part of the Bill of rights. Of course all the gun control laws are violations of our rights. Sad to say I'm on record as approving a few of them. The machine Gun permit system, for example, has successfully kept legal machine guns from being common murder weapons. ( illegal machine guns are uncommon murder weapons... ONLY because of cost ) Hmm, I might be talked into the mail order provisions of the 1938 German Gun Control legislation passed in this country in 1968. Perhaps we should ask rifles, etc. to be shipped to a gun store or licensed dealer instead of private homes. ( we DO, it's the law, today ) Other than those two.... all the rest are bogus, deliberate lies ( the "Saturday Night Special" ban also used a bogus point system to determine "safety". The Walther PPK ( 007 ) didn't have enough points so they made it a fraction of an inch longer, and added a sliver of plastic to the grip making a "thumb rest" creating the PPKs.... ) and violations of my God(s) given right to defend myself. In the end, it always gets down to a self appointed elite aristocracy wanting to ban weapons for the scum they consider beneath them. | ||
| Aesquire |
Slaughter, you have to change the wording on that to get it passed. Buelinmike, I happen to agree with your points, but the subject change up is bull. Is that because you favor the unconstitutional gun ban proposed by the neomarxists? ( in violation of an oath you had to have taken some time before ) Or is it a gotcha thing? One is a personal issue, and none of my business. The other is a question of morality to me. Blake, as the old Trout would say. bbl bbl. ( it's bait! don't bite! ) | ||
| Fb1 |
Source: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-902515 More: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/30 /Marine-Tells-Di-Feinstein-No-Ma-am-Over-Gun-Grabb ing Cpl Boston, thank you for your service, and for your continuing allegiance to our Constitution. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.infowars.com/video-dianne-feinstein-say s-prepare-to-turn-in-your-guns/ | ||
| Blake |
>>> BTW, Blake, the life, liberty, pursuit of happiness deal is not part of the Bill of rights. No it isn't. It's in our nation's founding document, the one that declares why our nation was founded and why a new government would be formed. The liberty part however is indeed in the Constitution, in its preamble where the reason for establishing the new govt is described, partly "to secure the blessings (those typically understood as being from G_d) of liberty." | ||
| Buellinmke |
It's not a baby, it's a fetus. It doesn't breathe or eat on it's own. It takes oxygen and nourishment from it's mother's body. |
