| Author | Message | ||
     Nillaice |
Friends, Here is the White House petition to NOT infringe on your 2A rights. Register with an email address and sign it. The anti 2A crowd has their own petition to create more gun control. Don't lose sight of the fact that the 2A is the most important amendment in that it guarantees the people to protect all our other rights from infringement. Please forward this to all like minded individuals. Thank you. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/not-infr inge-upon-2nd-amendment-rights-instituting-any-new -form-firearms-ban-legislation-or/v4TVyn8w#thank-y ou=p | ||
| Darth_villar |
Gunsamerica had a similar petition going on. Total of 57,000 signatures, and it was completely dismissed. I fear what comes next. | ||
| Strokizator |
At a time when free healthcare and cellphones are seen as a "right" you can expect that there will be a move to amend the constitution to repeal the right to bear arms. After what was witnessed last November I have absolutely no faith that people will vote for a free America. | ||
| Froggy |
Don't bother wasting your time with the Whitehouse online petitions, they don't take them seriously. If they do get enough signatures, some whitehouse intern will post some canned BS message that basically says they are not going to even bother looking into something. The only time I've seen them actually follow threw when it was something stupid and not political at all. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Electronic petitions are meaningless. Highlight the list and hit "delete" no more list. Paper petitions are still the way to go and I will happily sign my name on one if I could find one. | ||
| Garryb |
They are not going to take our guns away in Wis; The state sold 614,435 licenses for the 2012 gun deer season, a 2% increase from 2011. Between 4 and 5 p.m. Friday, sales peaked at 200 licenses every minute. The DNR sold 105,948 licenses Friday, a single-day record. The DNR reported three shooting incidents. The incidents, in Columbia, Manitowoc and Portage counties, resulted in non-life-threatening injuries. Two of the incidents involved a shooter and a victim; one was self-inflicted. In addition, Fort McCoy authorities are investigating a shooting death on the military base. It has not been determined if the fatality was related to hunting and therefore is not included in the DNR's tally of incidents. The DNR does not keep track of injuries or deaths to hunters from heart attacks, falls from treestands or other non-firearm causes. The 2012 Wisconsin gun deer season continues through Sunday. A muzzleloader deer hunt runs Nov. 26 to Dec. 5. In addition, a statewide antlerless deer hunt will be held Dec. 6 to 9. The DNR passed along the following facts about the 2012 Wisconsin gun deer hunt: •614,435 gun deer hunting licenses sold, up 2% from last year. •Resident deer licenses (568,831) are up 1.5%. •Nonresident deer licenses (32,554) up 2%. •10/11 year old mentored gun deer licenses (13,050) are up 10%. •60% of gun deer licenses were sold in the month of November. •Females represent 9.5%of total gun hunters. •78,604 (or 13%) were youth (under age of 18). •61,276 (or 10%) were senior citizens (65 years of age and older). •License buyers came from 50 states and several foreign countries. •25,703 first-time buyer licenses were sold, including 13,511 resident gun deer, 8,976 resident junior gun deer and 3,216 nonresident gun deer. •9,001, or 35% of first-time buyers were youth (17 and under). | ||
| Cityxslicker |
What do you hunt? The enemy. next they will ban knives.... Hell the British are ALREADY looking at it. (for the past five years- with various levels of fervor) http://tinyurl.com/cpx8qws | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Can't hurt- signed it, and posted on facebook. | ||
| Blake |
Garry, >>> They are not going to take our guns away in Wis; I appreciate your optimism. Is it really justifiable? Lots of people consumed alcoholic beverages and frequented bars just prior to Prohibition. The point being that even if hunting popularity were relevant to the issue--it is not-- then the idea that popularity will be enough to defend against infringement upon our right to keep and bear arms is simply unsupportable. Do hunters comprise a majority of voters? No, they do not, not even close. "They are not going to take our guns away in Wisconsin." Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in Australia." But they did. Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in Great Britain." But they did. Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in Germany." But they did. Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in China." But they did. Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in France." But they did. Sounds the same as: "They are not going to take our guns away in Cuba." But they did. Etcetera, etcetera... But to the true core of the issue as hunting or any form of sport shooting is not it: Garry, what does "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."have to do with hunting? Answer: NOTHING!. Is or is not the 2nd amendment THE unequivocal law of the land? Answer: Yes it is. When the rule of law is supplanted by the rule of the rule-makers as they deem fit, contrary to the governing rule of law then what we have is tyranny. The simple test of any firearms legislation as to constitutionally is elementary. Just honestly answer the following question: Does the legislation infringe upon a lawful American citizen's ability to own or carry firearms suitable for militia (civilian stand-by military) use? If the answer is "yes", then clearly the legislation is unconstitutional. That means that it violates our governing law. Sometimes deceitful people seek to cloud an issue in endless prevarication and obfuscation. Let's not fall victim to such tactics. Support the rule of law. Oppose tyranny. (Message edited by blake on December 28, 2012) | ||
| Jima4media |
The 2nd amendment was passed in 1791, long before there were machine guns, automatic and semi-automatic weapons. I think there should be an amendment to the second amendment. If you kill people with an automatic weapon, you automatically face a firing squad within the following week. This event will be televised for all the world to see. Jim | ||
| Union_man |
Interesting time line; http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Seco nd-Amendment-History.htm Changes have been made to gun laws since the 1791 ratification of the the 2nd Amendment. Mainly in 1934 when "Gangster Guns" were dealt with. The public, back then, was tired of the Mob spraying bullets. The public, now, is tired of mass shootings, committed by crazy people, using mostly Assault weapons. I am not anti gun! I carry concealed, hunt, and protect my rural home with guns. I do not own, nor need, an assault weapon or a granade launcher for self protection. | ||
| Buelltoys |
When was the last time a mass shooting was done with an "Assault Rifle" or "Gangster Gun" (Selective fire, fully automatic)? I know many people that hunt with AR, AK style rifles. What is sold to the general public are semi-auto rifles that are the same as a hunting rifle, shotgun or pistol with the look of an "Assault" rifle. Media, Television and video games are what make it look cool to use these in mass shootings. "Guns don't kill people, People kill people" | ||
| Thumper74 |
Jim, the use of full auto weapons in crime is very rare. Even 'assault' rifles are rarely used in gun crime compared to the other gun types. Full auto guns are illegal... As are suppressors, short barrel shotguns and rifles. The crimes aren't being committed with this weapons... (Message edited by Thumper74 on December 28, 2012) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Full auto guns are illegal... As are suppressors, short barrel shotguns and rifles. Wrong. You can purchase these items. The process and cost to do so are more difficult but it an be done. | ||
| Balloyd66 |
Interesting article here.... http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why -not-renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-y ou/ | ||
| Sifo |
The 2nd amendment was passed in 1791, long before there were machine guns, automatic and semi-automatic weapons. And how do you think the intent of the phrase "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" works with weapons that were not available at the time they wrote that? Do you really think they intended a "well regulated militia" to be armed with inferior weapons? | ||
| Aesquire |
Jima4media. Bull. The founders didn't know about lasers, nerve gas, and microchips either. So what? ( they were aware of biological warfare and were against it ) Semi auto firearms are MORE than a century old. There is nothing new about them, not magazine capacity, not function, not popularity. The only thing new is the stock is plastic instead of wood. That's a half century old. The argument you have listened to and repeated is bogus, period. The other half of your comment, about mandatory extermination of killers is one that the NRA would actually support, but not this administration. Does it make a difference to you if I kill your family with a bolt action rifle, a full auto rifle, a sword, or an exacto knife? Are you going to feel better that I used a 4 inch steak knife to kill your family as opposed to a 38 inch cavalry sabre? Why? Union Man. Thank you for repeating propaganda, again. There is no such thing as an assault weapon. You have been lied to and you repeat the lie. No Such Thing. I tend to agree that you don't NEED a grenade launcher to defend your home from gang bangers. ( or zombies, or IRS Swat teams ) One might come in handy if the driveway is full of cars full of racist madmen out to slaughter you, but because of it's increased lethality ( like a machine gun, that is illegal many states except for the police and military, and requires a special permit where legal ) I would accept the requirement for such a permit. Such laws already exist, are reasonable, and can easily adapt to the truth. I have no problem with you owning an RPG. I'd suggest a permit for the weapon, and another to buy explosive rounds, with it's own background check and perhaps a skills test.* OTOH your tendency to believe really stupid lies might disqualify you from fire arm ownership on the grounds of mental health. * I believe there are already rules for explosive use. Use them. THe Webster Christmas eve shooting involved a felon, paroled murderer, who could not legally own ANY of the weapons used. Laws restricting them, obviously don't work. Don't buy into lies. It's true, that if he had not been able to get a gun, he probably would have picked on easier targets. Possibly using a hammer. Like he used to kill his Grandmother. Ban hammers? 16 oz ok? Ball peen? 20oz framing hammers? "there is no legitimate building purpose for a 3 lb maul"?????? Buelltoys, the last such mass shooting with a full auto weapon? St Valentines Day? 1929. There have been machine guns used in gang violence in CA, since the Chinese during the Clinton Admin shipped a bunch of surplus chicom AK variants to LA in exchange for drugs. Legal, OWNED BY CIVILIANS machine guns, assault rifles, submachine guns used in ANY crime for the last 80 plus years? Pretty much zip. I may be unaware of a murder, but these weapons are collectors items and most people can't afford them. Several US citizens have been killed with "legal" machine guns, tanks, missiles, gas, sniper rifles and drones by the BATF, FBI and US military operating under arguable illegal orders. 70+ dead at Waco TX, alone. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mich-mayor-called- bow-hunters-predators-for-killing-deer-wants-judge -to-inflict-the-maximum-fine-and-jail-time/ opinion? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Jim reading and understanding the rule of law as based in Our Contitution would be a good start. Your willing by pass all other rights inorder to satisfy your desire for what is effectively a lynching. Your falling into the trap of the despot. So if your family is killed with 5 gallons of gasoline regular legal methods are ok with you ? | ||
| Garryb |
How about a $500 bet that I still have all my guns. (I don't feel comfortable leaving the details posted, if you are interested lets hammer out a bet in the next 24 hrs) If I still have all my guns, I win. If any are taken away, you win. Put your money on your beliefs! I'll cover Blake and Aesquire. (Message edited by garryb on December 28, 2012) (Message edited by garryb on December 28, 2012) | ||
| Garryb |
(Message edited by garryb on December 28, 2012) | ||
| Gregtonn |
The 2nd amendment was passed in 1791, long before there were machine guns, automatic and semi-automatic weapons. True, but most muzzle loaders owned and used at that time were state of the art weapons. So doesn't your point support the ownership of state of the art weapons in our time? If not your argument is completely without logical foundation. G | ||
| Gregtonn |
...security of a free state... It is the reason for need of the people to be well armed. No need to read any more into it. G | ||
| Blake |
Way to dodge meaningful debate Garry. Way to fall prey to propaganda JimA. Sifo puts the 2nd amendment in proper context well. If you want to change the law, then have the integrity to say so openly and honestly. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Shall not be infringed. If you wish to have me cook up an alternative to what I have LEGALLY; trust me, you will not like the results. garage door opener mason jars pounds of wood screws vaseline gasoline and a new 9v battery and that is without 'shopping' | ||
| Aesquire |
Jima, Just to be clear, I have no desire to slaughter your family with an exacto knife or a RGP. Just an illustration of the absurdity of hating one man made object over another. Besides, the trap you fall into is that ONLY the object you are being actively taught to fear, THIS WEEK, is the anti's goal. ALL weapons in the hands of you peasants is the goal. It's in their book. Feudal Japan, possession of a sword by other than the aristocracy was death. ( why do you think all those Kung fu weapons are agricultural tools? ) Medieval Europe, Crossbows are considered the devils work, since they have the power to let mercenaries kill a fully armored knight at battlefield ranges. The Pope got involved in that one. A weapon that disturbs the "natural" and established order is a threat to the powers that be. Colonial America. Weapons are confiscated by British troops to avoid being shot at by the wretched colonials. All upset about a 2% paperwork tax. ( TWO PERCENT! Cigarette taxes, mostly on the Poor, went up far more than that under this reign. ) Constitutional convention. USA. Knowing that every tyrant disarms the peasants so they can oppress them, the Founding dudes put into law that the people have the right to bear arms. NO restrictions. No weasel wording that you can have a .54 caliber rifle but not a cannon. No limits on crossbows, sights, flash suppressors, or the grip... Current propaganda from the Brady Center calls for guns to be banned if they have some sort of grip that might make it easier to shoot, like a thumbhole stock. Why a thumbhole stock? Simple, it's exotic looking and the idea is to give things a scary name, and get you to fear them, then ban them, then pick on the next object you want to ban. There is NOTHING military or advantageous to a crazy killer about a thumbhole stock. In fact, during the Clinton Assault Weapons Con, a thumbhole stock was a plus factor in making a "scary" gun" legal. They are lying to you. Every day. They think you are ignorant and stupid. Well? A final argument for the 2nd Amendment. https://xkcd.com/734/  | ||
| Thumper74 |
Ferris... I'm aware. I'm currently waiting on a CLEO signature for a suppressor. My point was that the average, hell the above average, criminal is not commiting crimes with real assault rifles. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Break down the crime reports and you will find the majority of violent crime is committed by Obamas voting base. in the Liberal resort towns of Detroit Chicago LA and NYC | ||
| Garryb |
Hmmm... This is kind of strange being in general concensus with the majority here. Although its seems like Wis is culturally different than Texas. We all pride ourselves on our hunting skills and see it as the primary gun application. The number of the various hunting licenses sold is a high percentage of voters. Its very hard to see them taking away our guns here. Personally I was disappointed at the lack of rigour used to issue concealed carry in Wis. But I did quickly take advantage of it. I think the crux of the issue is the definition of "well regulated" I don't think 'Well regulated" means uncontrolled gun ownership by the insane | ||
| Sifo |
I think the crux of the issue is the definition of "well regulated" I don't think 'Well regulated" means uncontrolled gun ownership by the insane Why would you even bother to offer that up? The second amendment is written in such simple and clear language that it's almost impossible to misinterpret.
It states what, why, who it applies to and lists all intended restrictions. It's difficult to imagine a more concise statement EVER coming from today's politicians. |
