| Author | Message | ||
     Brumbear |
Holy shyt why doesn't one of his employees buy the company there are so many whiney ass gimmeites in this country you make me ashamed.The man can pack it in whenever he wants the people working for him have at least 3 options I can think of right away!!!!!!! Someone can buy the company go to work for the competition enemployment but gimmeites never think they just whine bitches | ||
| Pwnzor |
Since when does an employer owe the employee anything other than a pay check? What world do you live in where every employee from burger-flipper to skilled machinist is somehow OWED anything other than the chance to compete for his own well being? I can't imagine that world where a person walks through my door and asks me to guarantee them a long life of prosperity. If the worker does a great job and makes responsible choices such as voting for people who will work to maintain an environment in which businesses like the one I run will thrive, then he will likely have a good job for life with room to grow and move up within the ranks of the organization which has so GRACIOUSLY hired him. IF. ENOUGH. PEOPLE. DO IT. Enough people have NOT done it. In fact, SO MANY people have done just the opposite as to force the hand of many business owners to now make these difficult choices, shutting their doors. Everybody incurs risk in everything they do. You accept a job, you accept the risk that you may be injured and the possibility that the job might not exist a year from now. You know that if you're good at what you do, and have a diverse array of marketable talents, you will be able to do something ELSE if the need arises. The business owner incurs the risk of taking on enormous loans or using his own personal property as collateral when engaging in a business venture. He doesn't KNOW if it will succeed, he HOPES it will, and WORKS HARD to achieve the desired results. This usually requires PEOPLE to WORK for HIM. These people EXPECT to get paid. The owner HOPES he will have enough money to cover the payroll. In FACT, most business operate at a loss for several years before they stop seeing RED INK everywhere in their ledgers. The WORKER risks very little. The OWNER risks EVERYTHING. Putting his family, his home, his future welfare at risk. What happens when a business fails, and the owner now needs some type of government assistance to pay his mortgage or heating bills? MOST of the time, the OWNER is "TOO RICH" to qualify for this help. Meanwhile, people who have risked NOTHING continue to get EBT and SNAP and (insert your local welfare code-name here). Good on you Strok, don't let the hive-minded idiots bug you. A few weeks ago I watched a woman fuel up her Eddie Bauer Edition Ford Excursion with $103 in diesel. Then she went inside and completed her transaction, adding 3 cartons of menthol cigarettes to the bill, and 4 large Monster energry drinks. She paid with EBT, and I watched as the register read "GROCERY" for the entire transaction. This is what we're dealing with. It's not going away. | ||
| Cowboy |
It will stop one day when $$$$$$$$ is gone---In the words of my late father ( you can post pone dinner but dark is a comeing). | ||
| Fahren |
A few weeks ago I watched a woman fuel up her Eddie Bauer Edition Ford Excursion with $103 in diesel. Then she went inside and completed her transaction, adding 3 cartons of menthol cigarettes to the bill, and 4 large Monster energry drinks. She paid with EBT, and I watched as the register read "GROCERY" for the entire transaction. The length and depth of you "watching" this woman creeps me out. | ||
| Oldog |
Sorry Strok I did not mean to start a fire storm with the condolences comment. It seems to me that you would be a reasonable employer there are folks out here that are not. A good boss is a terrible thing to loose. I have worked for some ruthless money grubbers, and in some James Taggart managed corporate settings, Again best of luck and good on you to rid your self of the car to some one who will appreciate it I hope that you find that valley of like minded folks to spend time with | ||
| Pwnzor |
The length and depth of you "watching" this woman creeps me out. She was at the fuel island in front of me, and we were both fueling large vehicles. She finished well before me. When I walked up to the booth to pay CASH for my $105 in gasoline, I was DELAYED by this jobless f*ck because she was having trouble spending MY money with her EBT card, which was damn near worn out to the point where the cashier had to manually enter the numbers into his machine and then re-ring the purchase because a portion of it was refused. So yeah, I was standing there watching the whole thing... never mind that I was in a hurry to get back to WORK so I could pay for her cigarettes and energy drinks. What creeps me out is that you would get it in your head that I somehow have time to be lurking around a gas station observing people. Seriously, what were you thinking? | ||
| Sifo |
Six years ago I was at a decision point in my life. Too young to really retire. Technology and the market made my resume unlikely to make it past the HR screening. I was in the process of getting my own business put together. This meant taking OUR life savings and putting it in the hands of those I would be employing, as well as the insanity that government compliance is. I did lots of homework on this and felt that if I could run lean, I would have to employ about 10-12 people just to reach a break even point. I would be bleeding cash until I reached that point though. If the economy takes off, I would stand a chance. If not, I would almost certainly loose everything, recovering pennies on the dollar liquidating equipment. Historically speaking, the economy was due to turn around very soon. It did seem like the right time to start this up. I had people lined up wanting to lead crews. I was right at the point of legally incorporating. Bottom line, I just couldn't justify everything I had this late in my life, working 80 hours a week hoping that there will be some payout about 5 years down the road. Instead, I've taken low stress jobs that will float me along to where I can live comfortably on my savings. Looking back on the last 4 years, I couldn't be happier with my decision. Had I pulled the trigger on the business plan, I would have been jumping right into the fire with the government putting a target on my back. One of the big things that convinced me against doing this, had nothing to do with the economy. I have been in supervisory positions in multiple jobs. Honestly, it can be like dealing with children with their ideas of what the work place should be like. They are just completely disconnected from reality in many cases. Looking back on how thing have played out, I couldn't be happier with my decision. Just a couple of employees thinking I owe them something beyond a paycheck can poison a small business. This year I find myself working in a union shop. The entitlement mentality is huge in this job. The funny thing is that with the adversarial relationship between employer and employee, this is about the worst work environment I've experienced. As a consultant for quite a few years, I've been in a lot of corporations too. Strok, best wishes for you. I have to agree with your reasoning on getting out. No doubt that most of your critics are those who voted for the man who demonizes those in your position. They were warned that this sort of thing would happen by heading this direction. They deny the connection, even as it is happening in front of their eyes. I have a sneaking suspicion that I might have enjoyed working for you had we ever crossed those paths. Unfortunately, that will never happen at this point... For anyone. This is the change that the country has voted for. I can't blame you one bit for this decision. Go find something you really enjoy doing to fill your time. You've earned it.  | ||
| Fahren |
Pwnzor, I can understand your frustration with her. Sorry if my attempt at humorous commentary flew foul. | ||
| Teeps |
Pwnzor Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2012 - 07:29 am: Since when does an employer owe the employee anything other than a pay check? Since never... Anyone that expects more is a fool. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>Since when does an employer owe the employee anything other than a pay check Since the employers came up with a salaried employee and then expect overtime for no further compensation. Why kill a successful business? No one to pass it to? cant sell it? Give it away then! It's been done before. | ||
| Strokizator |
cant sell it? Give it away then! The company would have some value if there were a large backlog of work. Then you'd be buying anticipated profit from that work. There is no work, not big stuff anyway, in California. We don't work on schools or hospitals. We've made a point of not doing public works projects if we can avoid it. I don't want to be seen as a hypocrite - denouncing big govt one moment and then taking taxpayer money the next. A company used to be able to sell it's "blue-sky value" ie, name recognition and goodwill. Nobody cares about that anymore. In the construction business it's mostly about price. If you have the money to buy my business then you have the money to start your own. As far as giving it away - my building, inventory and machinery worth is into seven figures. I'm not greedy but I'm also not stupid. (Before you think I hit the jackpot, I do have a partner and Uncle Sam will be there too. The fact that capital gains taxes are due to rise must also be factored into my decision) Finally, I am proud to have the people working for me that I do. Each one is a valued person with a good skill set and that is why they won't have any problem finding work. | ||
| Fb1 |
This is the change that the country has voted for. Polite correction, Sifo: This is the change that a minority percentage of the country voted for. The rest of the necessary "votes" were stolen right before our bewildered eyes. Interesting reading, in a sad, no-light-at-the-of-the-tunnel sort of way: Morning Bell: Businesses Cutting Hours, Bracing for Costs of Obamacare The Heritage Foundation, Amy Payne, December 6, 2012 at 9:01 am: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/06/morning-bell-b usinesses-cutting-hours-bracing-for-costs-of-obama care/?roi=echo3-13944326941-10516148-aab8da3388c8b 83aeac897d81a7d2466&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medi um=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell I wonder how long it takes until the Chosen One invokes yet another executive order, this time making it illegal to close your business due to crushing federal regulations and non-existent profit margins. Your punishment might be an extended stay at GITMO, or, maybe you get taken out in a drone strike if you pitch too much of a bitch as your business - the business YOU built, as a matter of fact - gets "redistributed" and the assets used to bail out, say, Detroit... Strok, best of luck. Ya ever make it back to Statesville, the first round is on me. FB | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Employers owe you nothing Hell most of them wont even give you a chance. Been through the HR mill lately? It is abysmal. I would work pure commission for the opportunity to fight the battle that I am trained for; as it is - no American Domestic Employer finds any value to the resume Which is why all my work is off shore - has been for nearly 3 years. I started training techs that are headed to Moscow basic Russian - I am up to 12 students; its a start. I am eying the Insurance biz in Moscow - it is in a growing climb; and all the players are in town, or coming. I never thought there would be more Capitalism in Russia than the US; but indeed the coin has flipped. | ||
| Oldog |
I was DELAYED by this jobless f*ck because she was having trouble spending MY money with her EBT card An EBT card is a public funded (food stamp) type thing? did you think of registering a complaint for FRAUD ? been there too. I try to keep an even keel now I have no choice but to support the lazy types as they mooch, If I (we) refuse, Folks with guns show up to take what they view as rightfully theirs... | ||
| Doerman |
Seems Senator DeMint went Gault too. At Strokizator: A decision takes courage and is a very good thing. Opens up the possibilities. Truly enjoy your next endeavors! (Message edited by doerman on December 06, 2012) | ||
| Pwnzor |
Electronic Benefits Transfer The name is exactly what it is: Electronically Tranfers Benefits (our money) to moochers. No need to stand in lines or be embarrassed by that big book of food stamps anymore! ALL the negative stigma has been removed, it looks just like a debit card! I could see buying gas... but if you can afford a diesel truck ($8000 more expensive than a gas version) then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to have a g-damned EBT card!!!! Cigarettes? Monster??? Those don't really qualify as groceries to me. Fahren, I didn't mean to blow up at you, sorry... | ||
| Sifo |
The fact that capital gains taxes are due to rise must also be factored into my decision That's one thing I've heard numerous times. The fact is that it will cost more to shut down in the near future. That provides incentive to shut down ASAP. Don't blame the people who do exactly what tax policy encourages. Blame those who support the politicians creating these anti-business policies. It's pretty hard to be pro-jobs when you are anti-business. I wish more people could understand that simple fact. | ||
| Sifo |
Or we could just blame Bush! | ||
| Drkside79 |
Pwn couple of things. One that annoys the crap out of me too. I just yelled at and de-friended a FB friend i only friended because she asked and i knew her in HS. She is fat married owns a home and has a kid. She is also proudly unemployed stating on FB that being a mom is a job. (which i might add is somewhat true) However i unfriended and yelled wen i read that she was mad that her kid couldn't have his medication because the doc didn't get it in soon enough and STATE INS wouldn't cover it this month. What pisses me off is actually two things tied together. #1 My GF and i both work. Can't afford a down payment live week to week and WE PAY FOR OUR KIDS INS. and two Instead of getting a payday loan or borrowing the money her kid doesn't get his meds until i pay for them. (Which i would do if i could) THIS B*tch shouldnt have a kid. Two They can keep the cards. I'm don't want to go back to 30 minutes of waiting behind someone sorting and arguing stamps in front of me. while i wait. | ||
| Fahren |
To the OP, I don't see it as "going Galt." I see that you built up value in a business, and the only two ways you can get that value out is to wind down your contracts and walk with the final accounts receivable and cash from equipment sales, etc., OR you sell the business for its fair market value, which can amount to about the same as method 1. All I see is that you got tired of things and made the decision a few years before you would have anyway. No judgment for or against in all that - it's not really a moral stand, just a business decision, influenced by personal choices and desired lifestyle (more riding time, etc.) I would like to think that some energetic young whippersnapper would step right up and either buy your business or start his own to fill the void. But I am more inclined to believe that such young people from this country are just as likely to look overseas to new frontiers of opportunity (just as Europeans once looked to this country for that). South America, Asia, South Africa, Georgia or Estonia.... those are the types of new "Wild West" situations people are looking at. (now why did "Europeans" come up on spell check?...... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Andy, 2 things: 1: A salaried employee isn't forced to accept the salary, and the whole idea of the salary is that sometimes you work more, sometimes less, but get paid the same. Usually, you work a little more, but you might also be grateful to have a decent job with a steady paycheck. This country was built on hard work, often worth more than the financial compensation received. 2: I had to wait almost 10 minutes for this big fat slob to get her EBT card to go through. She actually raised her voice at the clerk when it wouldn't go through the first 2 times. Food stamps go though every time because they are manually entered or scanned. I'd personally rather wait for that because at least I know that SOME people might feel the slightest twinge of guilt at spending other people's money, and yes even some SHAME for being a leech on society. Bonus item #3: I can probably find you a job here in Georgia, and plenty of houses I'm sure you can afford on two incomes. | ||
| Strokizator |
I would like to think that some energetic young whippersnapper would step right up and either buy your business or start his own to fill the void. There's a whole lot more to business than just hanging out a shingle and then standing by the mailbox waiting for the checks to roll in. You've been watching too many movies where some young college know-it-alls set the corporate world on its ear. Where's this fresh kid going to get the capital to either buy my business or start his own? What qualifications does he have to obtain a contractor's license? | ||
| Tankhead |
CONGRATULATIONS STROKE. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. Enjoy your retirement. Enjoy those five bikes. Best of luck to you. | ||
| Fb1 |
There's a whole lot more to business than just hanging out a shingle and then standing by the mailbox waiting for the checks to roll in. Apparently you missed the memo: http://youtu.be/YKjPI6no5ng  | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Will prop 30 have any affect on you strok? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Since the employers came up with a salaried employee and then expect overtime for no further compensation. It's a contract freely entered into by both the employer and the employee. Don't like it, quit. In fact, you don't even have to give the employer a notice. You just walk out the door and never come back. | ||
| Buellinmke |
Only the strong survive. The weak quit and fade away. For example, the evil George W. Bush. That shameful subhuman has faded into a bad memory for all Patriotic Americans. Republicans can't even mention his name for fear of losing votes. The weak quit and fade away. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Evidently not. There are 47 million weak people drawing food stamps. They are physically able but unwilling to do what it takes to be successful. There isn't a reason in the world why an able bodies person of sound mind can't make it in the United States other than they are unwilling to do the things that successful people do. | ||
| Geedee |
I'm picking you to be too much of a free thinker Buellinmke to be a Democrat :-). And you don't really mean that do you Ft bstrd? Didn't pick you to be that harsh. Interesting. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I took Buellinmke's comments to be in the same vein as his others in the thread. I answered equally as disingenuously. Are there people who need assistance? Absolutely. Are their 47 million people who need assistance? Absolutely not. |
