| Author | Message | ||
     Boogiman1981 |
Just wow...  | ||
| Kenm123t |
now we know where all the zombies are coming from ! | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
good grief! it was creepy seeing how changed people were over a year or two. why you would want this in your life, i do not understad it. whatever. darwin at work. weed out the weak and ignorant. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Mr. Owens not always about being weak. there are many who have gotten hooked that could handle other drugs/alcohol etc without it being destructive. Meth is like being shot in the face in slomotion at point blank range. once the trigger is pulled you're screwed. | ||
| Blackm2 |
It is about being weak. If they had the courage to say one simple word, "NO", then they could have dodged the bullet. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Yeah um ok I guess that you are an expert on human nature the addiction cycle and how complex that 'simple' word no is? | ||
| Blackm2 |
Um yea, ok and I guess you are? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
not 'officially' i have dealt with my demons and have watched the cycle kill and destroy many and was just sitting here wondering why you were casting such a harsh judgment, wondering where your perspective comes from. apologies for snapping, it's a sensitive issue. | ||
| Blackm2 |
No worries. I have dealt with it on a professional level. Perhaps I do have a harsh outlook on it to some. Life is about choices. If you make the wrong one, you don't keep making the same choice over and over. The only real pity in it comes if a child is born into that environment. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Thank you for sharing. Some people get caught in something they can't stop and it takes a powerful force/motivator for the cycle to be stopped AAANNND the right help at the right time to get their logic center back up and running again, otherwise back down the rabbit hole they go. each time they surface for air if they run back down the rabbit hole it's going to be harder to breach the surface the next time. "Moments of Clarity" Seriously I'm writing a book. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Enablers are just as much part of the problem. | ||
| Babired |
That's sad. those people will struggle for the rest of their lives. what a waste | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Mike most certainly there are many many facets and contributing factors. | ||
| Babired |
totally I see it on the streets of Baltimore. The prostitutes look like the women in photos above, guess who the enablers are? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
David does have a valid point about strength. Without finding a serious amount of internal strength from somewhere all the help in the world will not 'fix' the problem. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
In Russia, methadone treatment is illegal. Health officials there are not convinced of the treatment's efficacy. Instead, doctors encourage immediate abstinence from drug use, rather than the gradual process that methadone substitution therapy entails. Patients are often given sedatives and non-opiate analgesics to cope with withdrawal symptoms. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
After seeing what I've seen of people on methadone I in my non-pro estimation would tend to agree. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Babied,.. I'd say it be thier pimp. If they on their own,... they have a chance to get their head together... but with other enablers/friends/co-workers/johns, they don't stand as much of a chance, either way...on their own... they can get their own head together without any peer pressure or influence from others. (or just less of it) They full of excuses, gotta be cruel to be kind but every situation has particular needs. Some are borderline,.. they want to quit,... join methadone clinic,.. get hooked on that... have to pay every week for it.. but can't get hired because of it... have to steel for it... when they can't get to the clinic, they go to dealers and get quick fix. next day they either keep trying to quit or give up... then try again ....sometimes... If they lucky...they can get welfare and medicaid to pay for it. BUT once they get that... they never wanna give it up ... after a year or 2 at the clinic they too scared to go get hokeypokey job for fear of getting fired and loosing health benefits. OBAMACARE will/may take care of them?? For every addict there is probably quite a few family members effected from it as well. Alot have tried to help but end up giving up or not doing the right things. (I am no expert) Seems like they all (the ones that really wanna quit) are just afraid to make the move, and just keep putting it off, eventually sometimes forgetting about it all together. (getting better) Just throwing them in a prison/cell for detox is just a short-term solution,... they have to change their complete lifestyle or they will relapse. Too easy to relapse these days. Too many dealers on the street. I personally despise dealers and disappointed/dislike with all enablers.(cuz they should know better) | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Isn't methadone used to get people off heroin? | ||
| Xdigitalx |
more than that. | ||
| Babired |
you're right about that by the time they get clean they are mentally wrecked. The dealers and enablers are the users. Pimps, johns, etc vicious circle | ||
| Preybird1 |
I have known people like this. "tweekers" I had a friend that was into meth a lot....He is not a friend anymore and i doubt he is still even alive. But to the point, He has stayed up for 32 days straight. When i saw him after 32 days he had dried blood coming from his ears and his body shut down and he fell asleep with his eyes open for 9 hrs. When he came too he was in a hospital bed and he could not see as his eyes had dried out so much he was almost blinded. That is some scary stuff to be messing around with. I won't even go into ravers and other drug users, I have seen to much and been around a lot of people that were serious users. I thank god that i didn't get into that shit or any other substances. | ||
| Hootowl |
If you are an adult and start doing meth, that's on you. No amount of cajoling would entice me to take that stuff. I have sympathy for the people who are in the tailspin, but it is ultimately their own fault. Personal responsibility. Get some. It's the only way out. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
boogi - yeah, its weakness. look at the people above, almost all are in their late 20s+...if they cant turn down meth then they are weak and i feel for their families. I could see peer pressure for the kids who are in their teens, but other than that, its adults making adult decisions. And adult decisions have consequences. Oh well. and I LOL'd at the 'handled other drugs well' bit | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The fact that they are in the situation they are in...shows they have not matured like most other adults. The addiction most likely postponed it. Peer pressure for sure is right up in there, kid or adults makes no difference.... they should know better but they don't of course. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
i disagree xdigitalx there are many cases where people start doing drugs later in life. Or maybe they tried pot in their teens but didnt do much for years/decades and then dive back into it and heavier stuff. I do not think you can see these people and assume that they didnt mature like other adults. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Yea well if they end up like those in the pics above,... I'd think they probably act more immature toward others and themselves without even thinking. Not to mention self respect and respect for others. They all end up in the same place pretty much. Thats why misery loves company. And they have to relearn what they already knew. | ||
| Fast1075 |
The addictive personality at work. Addicts will be addicts, it just depends on what they end up addicted to. Drugs, food, sex, adrenaline, video games, booze, tobacco, the list is endless. I experimented with drugs in my younger years including prescription amphetamines. Didn't like the side effects. Alcohol and tobacco were a different deal. Drank every night, smoked up to three packs a day. The booze was the easier of the two to quit. Took a near death experience to quit tobacco. Today, no booze, no smokes, I fight with eating too much. At 5'3" and 150 pounds, I am overweight. I need to be around 130. I am working on it, but it is hard. I need to find the time to ride more. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Mr. Owens LOL all you want to. I just know what I see. There are many people that I know personally that use 'drugs' on a daily basis and are able to parent, hold good jobs, be a spouse etc. Now statistically speaking they are an insignificant sample size that doesn't change the facts. Not everyone that alters their mind is an addict. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Yea... they are addicts... and are just getting away with it easier... not unlike professional shoplifters. |
