| Author | Message | ||
     Brumbear |
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/11/aprilias-ne w-caponord-1200-combines-high-performance-and-long -distance-comfort/ | ||
| Baybueller |
Looks like they had more than a passing glance at the Ducati multistrada. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Come on EBR 1190 AX... | ||
| Pwnzor |
meh | ||
| 7873jake |
Thats the rear end of an ST2 Duc mated to the front of the new Multistrada with an Aprilia sticker. Those bags look suspiciously stolen from the ST2. | ||
| Circusninja |
Aprillias make me feel naughty in a naughty place...  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Naughty place = Detroit? | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
It's missing a beak.. | ||
| 86129squids |
"First and foremost the gear ratios have been modified in order to increase manageability at low rpms and to take full advantage of the power that this powerful highly supercharged 90° V twin cylinder engine is capable of." "Highly supercharged"?!?!? Well, blow me down! | ||
| Strokizator |
It takes more than a long travel suspension to make an "adventure" bike, unless you idea of an adventure is going down side streets to the nearest Starbucks. 17" wheels are next to useless. I took my Uly off road plenty of times and felt I was seriously handicapped by the wheel size (that and first gear was too tall). When I get tired of waiting for EBR, the new KTM 1190 ADV looks like a better choice. The R model has 18/21 wheels. | ||
| Hootowl |
Doubt it. It only says that in one place, and it isn't in the specs, just in the narrative. I think they used the word supercharged loosely. I'd expect a supercharged 1200cc twin to make more than 128 HP at 8500RPM. | ||
| Danger_dave |
I've gone from 17s to a 21 currently. 17' Wheels are 'OK' - you just can't ride as fast over the rough stuff. They still work. It's the fact that they are 180 wide (or more - multistrada) that limits real off road ability. You can't get the tyres for it. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>> used the word supercharged loosely<< Ad copy writers aren't usually engineers. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm not an engineer. I know what a supercharger is. But then, I'm not a copy writer either. | ||
| Jayvee |
What's a "semi-active suspension" ? Wouldn't it be better to be completely active? Does this mean something in particular? | ||
| Danger_dave |
Hmmmm. I'm a copy writer and I know the difference between a turbo and a blower. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>"semi-active suspension"<< 'Typically' some adjustment is available whilst the vehicle is in motion. | ||
| Tootal |
The front fork looks like a chopper compared to the Uly. When I had my Cagiva Gran Canyon and switched back and forth between it and the Uly it was weird. I had to learn to trust the Uly wasn't going to wash out in the corner and then I'd switch back and feel like the front tire was waaaay out there! The Uly ended up winning the comfort competition so I said goodbye to the Cagiva. All these new Italian dual sports have all copied the Gran Canyon in one form or another. | ||
| Hootowl |
No slight intended Dave. | ||
| Danger_dave |
None taken - just discussion. | ||
| F22raptor |
O.K.....What is the difference between a turbo and a blower? It sounds easy, BUT, think before you answer. Hint it has nothing to do with how they are driven ( they make belt-driven turbos) it is very simple, but misunderstood by 95% of people. The only other subject that is more misunderstood is octane's effect on combustion. | ||
| Danger_dave |
You can't get a $50 Turbo job. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Fortunately I didn't have any coffee in my big gob when I read that Dave. Many thanks for starting my day off with a good laugh. When I was trained as an apprentice motor vehicle engineer back in the 70s we were told in college that a supercharger is a device to force induction & may be mechanically driven from the engine. A Turbocharger is a form of supercharger that's driven by the engine's own exhaust gas. That definition hasn't changed as far as I know. So a belt driven turbocharger isn't, it's a supercharger. Oh there are many different sorts of supercharger I grant you from exhaust gas powered to belt, gear, chain, & electric. Even ram air is a sort of supercharging. | ||
| F22raptor |
A super-charger compresses the air internally and it arrives into the cylinder in a compressed state. A turbo moves air at high-velocity and needs the closed cylinder to cause the compressed-charge..That is why a Sterling-cycle engine and a 2-stroke diesel won't run with-out a supercharger. They also would not run with a turbo installed.  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
What do you call a Rootes Blower then? | ||
| Brumbear |
this outa blow your roots a different color  | ||
| F22raptor |
ICK!  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Ummm... well... Brumbear, what can one say? The question now arises though, WTF were you looking for when you stumbled across that picture? Furthermore, for what reason did you feel the need to save it to your computer? She's probably a very nice person & much in demand with such equipment. | ||
| Aesquire |
Rootes blower is a supercharger. Turbocharger is a supercharger. A Paxton Supercharger is a supercharger. The Paxton uses a turbine compressor. The Rootes & GM blowers use a helical screw compressor. Both are belt drive. All increase the pressure/flow of the charge in the combustion chamber. Pack in more air & fuel... more power. ( until you get detonation...see Octane ) As a "don't even care anymore" former peeve, an Intercooler is a heat exchanger to remove heat from supercharged air between 2 stages of supercharging to allow packing in more air & fuel. ( and keep things from exploding & melting.. ) An aftercooler is a heat exchanger between the supercharger and the combustion chamber. Same purpose. With very rare exception cars use aftercoolers. ( not sure on the flow pattern on a Bugati Veyron, that has multiple turbos ) Merlin Powered P-51 Mustangs had intercoolers & aftercoolers. The later series RR Merlins ( and Packard built models ) had 2 mechanical superchargers, one feeding the other to give power at high altitude. The primary super ( closest to the combustion chamber ) was a 2 speed, and would shift gears automatically as you'd climb. ( some other 2 speed or even 3 speed supercharged engines had manual shift ) This caused difficulty in keeping formation as everyone wouldn't shift at the same time, and we're talking hundreds of HP difference. Note that there are multiple SPEED supers, and multiple Stage supers. Multi speed supers just change the speed of the blower with gearing ( of some kind ) multi Stage supers use multiple blowers, one feeding another, to get higher pressure at high altitude. ( where there's far less air... ) The second supercharger, was clutched to not be driven at low altitude, To keep from overboosting ... pumped air into the primary supercharger, and the result was 400 degree air..... that kind of heat both means weirdly vaporized fuel, and low charge density even though you're pumping it in. ( also the melty and exploding issue ) So they put a liquid cooled heat exchanger between the 2 stages of supercharging. That's an Intercooler. They also put a tube and fin exchanger between the primary super and the intake manifold, that's an Aftercooler. It only matters if you are talking double supercharged engines, or want to use the correct technical language.... but "intercooler" is such a buzz word marketing tool, that no one knows what an "aftercooler" is. Even though my car has one. Mislabled of course....  On the P-38, you had a primary mechanical super built into the back of the Allison engine, and a turbocharger feeding it. Also used an intercooler. Some models had aftercoolers too. B-17s and B24s used turbos to feed engine mounted mechanical supers on their radial engines ( Wright and P&W ). Same deal on the p-47 Thunderbolt, with must of the fuselage full of air ducts & exhaust pipes. ( the reason they never made a photo recon T-bolt. Most other fighter planes had empty space behind the pilot for a camera, where the P-47 stuffed in a turbo, ducts for induction air, cooling air, and a intercooler the size of a car engine. ) There were other variations.... but's I've ranted enough...  | ||
| Brumbear |
Grump it's all in the eye of the beholder  |
