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     Aesquire |
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/paint_misbehavi n_VYd6yL8Q3RJbTDYFxX3MjK http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/09/26 /cnn-and-msnbc-pundit-arrested-vandalizing-anti-mu slim-ad-ny-subway-syste It's worth noticing that it's not an "anti-muslim" ad, unless you concede or insist that muslims are savages. It's a Pro-Israeli, anti-Obama ad. Not at all unusual for leftists to destroy ads of any opposition. Not at all unusual for Fascists to destroy ads against them. Should be Expected that Savages will destroy that that scares, displeases, or causes them the tiniest bit of emotional turmoil. That's why we call them savages. Or, if we are kind, spoiled children.... with weapons. Who openly declare a desire for genocide. Murder innocents by choice because, as spoiled children, with rockets and guns, they are cowards. Fb1, No, I don't think this is the Reichstag Fire. That would be a domestic event "requiring the State to Protect the People from the political opposition." Examples I have worried about include the Oklahoma City Bombing and the moron who crashed a plane into the White House. ( barely. ) Neither turned out to be a pretext for authoritarian rule. The current crisis in the middle east caused by Obama's intervention in 2 countries not at war with us, ( while ignoring protesters murdered in the streets of Iran, a country AT WAR with us ) may yet end up in the "what we need is a short victorious war" category. Where war is declared to distract people.... See also "Wag the Dog" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/ The actual line I misquoted above... a quotation by Vyacheslav von Plehve in reference to the Russo-Japanese War: "What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution." Actually fits better than my misquote. Also relevant, painfully so, in the case of Obama Foreign Policy. Robert Wilson Lynd: "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." | ||
| Sifo |
It's worth noticing that it's not an "anti-muslim" ad, unless you concede or insist that muslims are savages. And yet who fails to recognize that it is an anit-muslim ad? | ||
| Aesquire |
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| Kowpow225 |
Wow. I'll keep it short, but here's some info to chew on. Islam demotes Jesus to merely a 'prophet'. Not the Son of God. Quite the opposite of what Jesus himself said he was. That alone will surely divide Christians and Muslims. | ||
| Aesquire |
Most important is that Islam has declared Mohammed the "last prophet". No revisions or revelation allowed after him. The Final word. Some Christians even accept that Jesus was a great prophet, and the "son of God" thing is metaphor. We are all the Children of God. Others, probably the majority, take a more literal view. What may be more important than the theological distinction between: A: the group efforts of Jesus's disciples to relate the tale of Jesus, and his teachings. ( remember Jesus didn't write the New Testament.) and B: the single man's efforts to create a total life plan of Mohammed. ( Interpreted by generations of uptight mullahs. the liberal ones that interpret the Koran as metaphor get killed ) Is the behavior control methods traditionally used in the cultures involved. The Judeao-christians use guilt to control behavior. The Muslims use shame. One is inner directed, the other outer. There are difference of opinion on the nature of these things. Mostly they convince ME that psych types are crazy, YMMV. http://psych.stanford.edu/~tsailab/PDF/yw07sce.pdf http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/08/guilt_ vs_shame.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_society My interpretation ( meaning I could be wrong ) is that classic guilt is like on "The Big Bang Theory" where the ( never seen, but heard, loudly ) Jewish mother, afraid her boy is going to move out now that he's married, tells him "I'll just go live in a hole in the ground so I'll be no trouble when I die". Shame, OTOH is used to stir up the mob by pointing at another who complains about the leader's or the Mob's actions. "The maker of this crappy 14 min. youtube video brings shame upon all Islam and so, we must burn down all the Embassies of the following countries" Guilt is a tool for individual improvement. Shame is a tool to manipulate groups of people to violence. ( in it's common use today ) The above posted sign is the result. "How freaking DARE anyone say I'm violent? I'll kill them all!" No cognitive dissonance there. Not for him. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/328978/neur otic-middle-east-victor-davis-hanson Western idiots can feel free to mock the Catholic Church. Why? because the Cardinal won't get his followers to burn their house down and kill them after raping their wives and daughters. Yet they deeply, seriously fear exactly that if they say one word about the medieval faith that thinks mutilating young girls is the right thing to do, because it takes away the pleasure the woman to be could have experienced outside the tiny penis of her older husband. And the sad part is, though they would never, ever admit to that fear, that fear is justified, because their homes would burn, their family would be raped and murdered and their neighbor would blame it on THEM, for speaking the truth. The Ugly, ugly, truth. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/shut_up_or_ die_the_muslim_protesters_explained.html I apologize for the messed up language in my post above... Ooops. It should read "fear exactly that if they say one word..... older husband, that they will be killed. Sorry for any confusion at that half completed, over cranked thought. ( as you might guess, I have an attitude about female genital mutilation. I kinda hope you do too. ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.france24.com/en/20121004-artist-withdra ws-exhibit-koran-verses-misunderstanding-sparks-ne ar-riot-toulouse-france-mounir-fatmi It's a cultural issue, that the French have been very bad at. They focus the immigrants into ghettos and wonder why they can't drive a police car into the foreign country they've created without it being set on fire. ( heck, if I was treated as a second class person I'd be angry all the time too. ) The Intolerant of others culture of the French islamic ghettos may actually be worse than the culture in Saudi Arabia and Iran, Because they live surrounded by "others" while in Riyadh they are the norm. | ||
| Pwnzor |
So... if I invite a bunch of heathens into my house, can I act surprised when they shit on the floor? | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm a heathen, and I'd never do that in your house, ( nor mine ) so I don't think that's a criteria for inviting guests.  The issue is, as it always has been, that evil men will use religion to control people so that those evil men can gain power. The Culture of "radical Islam" has been from the beginning a technique for manipulation of the masses. Hate sells. Blaming another for your misfortune is a classic sales tool. See negative campaign ads. It's an effective technique. Evil, but effective. "A return to the Caliphate" is a desire to "go back to the old days" ( nostalgia sells ) and ignoring the downside of a religious dictatorship. ( like mass murder in the Name of The Lord ) Just be picky about the heathens you invite. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I didn't mean to infer that all heathens would shit on the floor, just that I wouldn't be surprised when some of them did it. | ||
| Hootowl |
More idiocy from the perpetually outraged. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/10/10/call-duty-l evel-axed-after-offensive-message-causes-muslim-an ger/ Apparently, you can't say "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty" in the bathroom. | ||
| Aesquire |
Strict Islamic rules forbid displaying -- or even saying -- Allah's name near a toilet On the one hand, I can see that as simple courtesy. On the other, how do you pray when you work at a plumbing supply place? I'm disrespectful to most religions. Usually quietly, in my head, because I don't want to be rude. But I like having the option, and, at least for a very short while, still do. NO one will if these guys get their way. So I'm against them, on principals sake. ( If it was the Inquisition trying to make me not laugh at the last 20 minutes of Eurotrip, I'd have the same F&^% you reaction. ) "Pissed Christ" or the Madonna with the elephant dung were rude. It was Not happy making to have paid for that rudeness, but I support the right of the artist to BE rude. ( I'll bitch at my Congresswomen for taking my money and giving it to rude artists, but that's not the same at ALL as not allowing the artists to BE rude. ) | ||
| Sifo |
Be honest now. Who hasn't had the occasion to say "Thank God!" while sitting on the crapper? | ||
| Luftkoph |
I saw a picture yesterday In a men’s room near L.A. Lying on the floor beside the throne. Had I not recognized the cross I might have failed to know the boss, I thought, “Lord, you look neglected and alone.” I picked it up with lovin’ care, I wondered who had placed it there, When l saw there was no paper on the roll. I said, “Lord, what would you do If you were me and I was you, Take a chance, save your pants or your soul ?” Then a voice said, “Kinky, it’s Jesus here, you know that I ain’t no square. Well, I’ve got these pictures of me, I mean statues, you know they’re everywhere. Well, I may seem I come from Liverpool, And then on the other hand I may come from France, But if you don’t get off that toilet, well I’m just gonna have to dance.” | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/free_speech _victory_in_americas_capital.html | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/its_the_mul lahs_stupid.html | ||
| Aesquire |
Since I'm pretty sure that the Muslim Brotherhood isn't reading this web site for tips on how to destroy America, I think it's reasonably safe to post this here......... And it's now too late to take this advice... Hey. Islamofascists! You messed up. You failed to understand a few things about us Americans, and missed your chance. You could have won it all. First, what you misunderstood. Like our Current President, you don't get that we are NOT Europeans. America is Not Europe. Sure, the majority of us are descended from Europeans. A lot of people from Europe come here today, to live. For the same reason our ancestors came here, and the same reason people from Asia, Africa, South America, etc. etc. come here. Where we come from sucked. Oh, not entirely. Lots of happy people in Bonn, and Amsterdam, and Hong Kong. Everywhere we came from, lots of happy people. But lots of problems, too. ( we have them too... ever see our elections? ) People come here to get rich, or to just have it better than they do back where they come from, and a great many do. People come here to escape oppression. People come here because back home they are killing each other, or oppressing each other over matters of Faith. That is in fact WHY our first successful colonists from Europe came here. That's why, when we broke from England, and formed our own country, our very first law was religious freedom. We didn't like the idea that a King was God's pick. Just because his daddy was King. Or he was more ruthless and evil than anyone else. We didn't like theocracies, and how the claim that a God commands it, gives evil men the power to kill, torture, go to war.... We aren't a Colonial Power. We've made a few noises in that direction, true. But they always fail under the knowledge that WE were an exploited Colony, and that way leads to ruin. ( Our President doesn't seem to understand this... but his upbringing was... unusual. ) We won't let ourselves become a Colonial Power. There are a few islands out there, around the planet, that chose to be associated with us. Most of those places had been conquered by Royalist, fascist or other socialist warlike nations, and we freed them. We've freed a lot of people over the years. Another thing you don't understand is that Americans, by and large, are a very religious people. Sure, jerks like the "Freedom From Religion" groups are out there, but unless they act badly, ( and they sometimes do ) we tolerate them as part of the ever shifting spiritual landscape. So we have every variety of Animist, Neopagan, Taoist, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Shinto, Zoroastrian.... the list is as long as the planet's. That's where you messed up. Your hatred for the Other blinded you to the fact that you can sell Americans on good ideas. You can sell us the idea that we need to work on being better. You can even sell us the Slapchop, and that stupid thing never worked. ( I admit, after they changed the name and hired a guy that yells, it sells ) IF you totalitarian theocratic a--holes had got together with the other religions in America, sold us on being good, sold the idea of resisting sin, respecting the Church, worked together with the other faiths that would have welcomed you ( and still welcome a Mullah who comes in good faith ) you could have sold us a lot of your schtick. It would take time. We're a stubborn people. But you could have sold Sharia to America, if you'd done so with humility, and sincerity. We're suckers for sincerity. Instead, the worst of you killed enough of us that we actually noticed you'd been at war with us for centuries. Not all of us got the message when you stole American Technology to murder us, but enough of us did to ruin any plan you might have had to rule, here. You may yet restore the Caliphate to North Africa, and Conquer parts of Europe. My bet is that you will end up getting millions killed in your War with India, but I also know you don't care. What's going to happen here, is that the Judges that impose your Sharia on us are going to be reviled. That no matter what a court says, no matter what the politicians say, or the media says, in fear of you, that we will always disrespect you. Just as we will respect the Muslims that practice their faith in peace. As we always have. And you never have. We watch as the Taliban, made bold by errors in judgment of our temporary leaders, kill for the tiniest slight, throw acid in the faces of little girls, and betray everyone you make promises to. We know you now. Evil men always think they have the monopoly on ruthlessness. On violence. You think we worship life, fear death, and your embrace of evil and murder will cow us and force us to obey. Suckers. You really don't understand us. You blew it. We know what you are. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/20 12/oct/20/picket-anti-muslim-filmmaker-detained-al most-month/ http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=28 8551 | ||
| Hootowl |
Pat, that was wonderful. Thank you. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/12/2 49092.html | ||
| Geedee |
Murgan Salem al-Gohary believes he is doing God's work, but he is just another patsy. Not much truth in Western media. "Islam does not pose a threat to the West. Rather, Islamic terrorist organizations have been created to serve Western imperialistic objectives. These groups are intertwined with Western power through a network of occult secret societies." "The Muslim Brotherhood is a London creation, forged as the standard-bearer of an ancient, anti-religious (pagan) heresy that has plagued Islam since the establishment of the Islamic community (umma) by the Prophet Mohammed in the seventh century. Representing organized Islamic fundamentalism, the organization called the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan al-Muslimum in Arabic) was officially founded in Egypt, in 1929, by the British agent Hasan al-Banna, a Sufi mystic. Today, the Muslim Brotherhood is the umbrella under which a host of fundamentalist Sufi, Sunni, and radical Shiite brotherhoods and societies flourish." British and American alphabet agencies are donkey deep meddling in the middle east. America is currently it's own worst enemy. Come on over and meet some of my Kiwi Muslim friends. Choice of bikes in the workshop, but sorry, no tuber, yet. http://www.naderlibrary.com/lit.terrorismilluminat i.19.htm | ||
| 99savage |
Aesquire Just great, put into words what I have been trying to say since 09/12/01. Grew up around Buffalo, gangs & gangs of Arabs, most of them Christian but with a few Muslims thrown in. - As young men were wont to do we hung together, studied together, argued religion together and frankly drank together. - We also ate a LOT of very strange food. Was privileged to study engineering with Pakistanis , Egyptians, Syrians and probably 50 other kinds of ethnic Muslims. - If they had invited me to the Mosque, well might have gone. Anybody who consumes medical services has probably has the odd Muslim holding their nuts. Up until 09/12/01 thought Muslim immigration was a good thing - Sober, temperate people engaging in the profession. - They chased me away from them, not the other way around . | ||
| Aesquire |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PROPHET_FIL M?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012 -11-28-09-25-25 I'm aware that this thread may be thought of as muslim bashing. Or "islamaphobia". Too bad. In recent memory, I'm unaware of the Catholic Church, or a legit Baptist sect, ( not counting the "sue for spitting" Westboro "antigay" con family ) threatening to murder people for disagreeing with them. Sure, in the past we had such issues with various Christian Churches, and the Holy Inquisition is still around, but I don't recall the last 40 or so years having read of torture, mass murder and purges in other faiths unrelated to tribal conflict. ( Hutu, anyone? ) In fact in the last century, only 2 faiths have had a running history of purges and mass murder. One is the State Worship of fascist/marxist/totalitarian faiths, the other is Islam. Now, I bet that the artist who made "pissed Christ" got death threats. I may have missed his execution by radical Cross lovers, did I? But a cartoon about Mohammed, never even seen by the people rioting, published in a foreign land months or years ago, gives a very evil power to the very evil men who use faith to manipulate people, and Islam was designed to give them that power. ( as was the Greenie faith, but I rate that as a subsect of neomarxism...also a manufactured religion whose purpose is to manipulate people by evil men ) In the end, you have 2 very different cultures. Mine is one of religious freedom. It has it's problems, but no one takes the FSM seriously. In fact, because of deliberate cultural warfare, Religion has lost ground in the battle for men's souls. Here's one take on that. http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/its-your-fault/ The other culture ( again, ignoring the Westboro "church" ) is one of totalitarian intolerance. 2 1/2 major faiths follow that path. ( yes, there are some smaller intolerant faiths out there, even in America, but I'm not worried about them imposing their beliefs on me by force. ) Islam's "leaders" are an intolerant, mass murdering warlike cult. If you disagree, feel free to show me the error of my thinking. Please. so I can get back to being angry of the Cult of Gore making me pay more than $4.30 a gallon to drive to work and cranking inflation up while making OPEC richer. | ||
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| Geedee |
"In recent memory I'm unaware of the Catholic Church..." I disagree, but it doesn't really matter. Nought will change. The World’s Two Largest Religions Square Off http://www.biblebasedministries.co.uk/2006/10/04/t he-pope-of-rome-vs-the-ayatollahs-and-sheikhs-of-i slam/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Some truth to that... but I somehow doubt you live in fear that Opus Dei will send an occult SWAT team into your 'hood and slaughter the unbelievers. To be fair, I don't live in fear that Islamist terrorists will do so in mine either, but if I was betting on which cult would cause the next mass murder in America, It would be one of the 2 1/2 I've already ranted about. But. While the ideology of the violent religious may be the cause, the uniforms worn might be familiar, or at least domestic. | ||
| Geedee |
Bottom line is individual responsibility. Everything else becomes politics. "Kedar Joshi once said, “It is human to search for the theory of everything, and superhuman to find it.” My suggestion, therefore is this: be a believer in whatever religion you like, but practice love. Practice peace, practice what every darned religion (when taken out of its political and institutionalized bastardization of truth, and boiled down to its essential wisdom) is trying to teach you. You pray in every thought and action you take. You meditate on whatever you focus on. You can be a Sufi-Buddhist-Pagan-Episcopalian-Mormon for all I care. Just be cool to your neighbors." http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/08/10/would-you-se e-things-differently-if-you-were-steve-jobs-and-ma rilyn-vos-savants-secret-love-child/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SI TE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11- 30-06-08-15 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/30/us-egypt -president-idUSBRE8AM0DO20121130 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_CO NSTITUTION_GLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DE FAULT&CTIME=2012-11-29-20-23-22 Just to be clear. Speaking the truth will soon get you executed in Egypt. Pity. It had problems but Egypt used to be a fairly free nation. | ||
| Geedee |
The Muslim Brotherhood is a CIA MI6 front. "Best enemy money can buy" The 'West', especially America, needs enemies, for furtherance of the global agenda you know. It's rather like herding cats. Chaotic. Then again, the motto is ORDO AB CHAO. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/23/CIA- Hosts-Training-By-Muslim-Brotherhood-Leader-and-Ha mas-Supporter http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/28/the-cias-m uslim-outfit-the-muslim-brotherhood/ “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” Franklin D Roosevelt As 'we' 'free' all these countries by bombing the shite out of them or organizing fake 'people's revolutions', wouldn't it be a good idea to give them a ready made Constitution afterwards. Save time and argument. Give them the one written by your Founding Fathers. Cross out the references to united states etc and insert new country name. Oh, yeah. That constitution wasn't written for a democracy. It wouldn't be any good. Besides, it restricts power of government and that is definitely not the aim of the game. "Speaking the truth will soon get you executed in Egypt." "Truth cannot be spoken in America. It cannot be spoken in universities. It cannot be spoken in the media. It cannot be spoken in courts, which is why defendants and defense attorneys have given up on trials and cop pleas to lesser offenses that never occurred." Truth is never spoken by government. As Jonathan Turley said recently, Washington “is where principles go to die.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21 847.htm Don't you think we should get our own houses in order before it's too late? |
