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Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 05:03 am: | 
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When I went to the IoM in '07 one of the guys in the group had one, BIG bike & with the Akropovic pipes sounds the nuts.
However, fuel capacity is limited at only 15 litres & it's a thirsty beast, tank range isn't much over 100 miles.
Handles pretty well for a behemoth, & brakes are taken straight from the R1.
I have to say the parts & build quality on them are excellent, but depreciation from new is massive! If you want a sort of Jap equivalent of a Tuber it's a cheap option used.
There was a mixed bunch of bikes on the trip from Ducatis through to XBs & Harleys but the 3 bikes that got the most interest when we stopped were a Shovelhead hardtail chop, the MT-01, & my M2.
And we stopped a lot! mostly for fuel for the MT. |
Teeps
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 12:20 pm: |
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I saw the new Honda 1100 and 500s the other day in person.
They reminded me of my days as a motorcycle mechanic, circa 1970's. The bikes back then, while miles better than 1960's era bike, left a lot to be desired; at least handling wise.
These appear to be at about the same level, at first glance.
Good starter bikes, the 500's; the 11 is going to hurt someone... if ridden in anger in the stock configuration. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 04:28 pm: |
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quote:Good starter bikes, the 500's; the 11 is going to hurt someone... if ridden in anger in the stock configuration.
That's true of damn near ANY stock motorcycle, I don't care WHO you are.
The important thing is, "Ricky Racer" isn't going to buy this motorcycle, he's going to go down the aisle to the CBR, FZR, GSXR, YZF aisle where he can buy a bike that can do some REAL damage. |
Redbuelljunkie
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 05:22 pm: |
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It would seem (on paper) that the new CB1100 would be a direct competitor to the (now discontinued) XR1200X:
2013 Honda CB1100 Specs:
Model: CB1100
Engine Type: 1140cc air- and oil-cooled inline four-cylinder
Bore and Stroke: 73.5mm x 67.2mm
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Valve Train: DOHC; four valves per cylinder
Induction: PGM-FI with automatic enrichment circuit, 32mm throttle bodies
Ignition: Digital transistorized with electronic advance
Transmission: Five-speed
Final Drive: #530 O-ring-sealed chain
Suspension Front: 41mm fork with spring preload adjustability; 4.7 inches travel
Suspension Rear: Dual shocks with spring preload adjustability; 3.5 inches travel
Brakes Front: Dual four-piston calipers with full-floating 296mm discs
Brakes Rear: Single-caliper 256mm disc
Brakes: Optional Honda ABS
Tire Front: 110/80-18
Tire Rear: 140/70-18
Wheelbase: 58.7 inches
Rake (Caster angle): 27.0°
Trail: 114mm (4.5 inches)
Seat Height: 31.3 inches
Fuel Capacity: 3.9 gallons, including 0.9-gallon reserve
Estimated Fuel Economy**: TBD
Color: Candy Red
Curb Weight*: 540 pounds
MSRP $9,999/$10,999 ABS
2012 Harley-Davidson XR1200 X Specs:
Engine: Air-cooled, Evolution
Displacement (in./cc): 73.3/1200
Fuel System: Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection (ESPFI)
Transmission: 5-speed
Miles Per Gallon: 44 MPG combined City/Hwy
Fuel Capacity (U.S. gals/liters): 3.5/13.2
Power: 73.91 ft. lbs. @ 4000 RPM
Dimensions:
Length (in./mm): 87.6/2225
Seat Height (laden) (in./mm): 29.2/742
Wheelbase (in./mm): 60/1524
Tires:
Michelin Scorcher "11" front and rear
Front: Scorcher "11F" 120/70ZR18 59W
Rear: Scorcher "11" 180/55ZR17 73W
Wheels:
Front: Black 3-Spoke Cast Aluminum 18 in. x 3.5 in. (457.2 mm x 88.9 mm)
Rear: Black 3-Spoke Cast Aluminum 17 in. x 5.5 in. (431.8 mm x 139.7 mm)
Weight as Shipped (lbs./kg):551/249.9
2012 Harley-Davidson XR1200 X Color Options/MSRP:
Black Denim / $11,799
White Hot Denim / $11,799
But paper cannot do justice to the bikes. In reality, a better comparison would be a turbojet to a radial prop. The Honda will feel at least a century ahead of the XR in refinement- engine, transmission, handling, braking... every tactile input a rider receives from a motorcycle will be superior on the Honda. In short, the CB is the bike HD could build if they could just get their head out of their asses.
I'd be very happy to add a CB1100 to my stable- it's a refined, reliable, well-made, thoroughly modern motorcycle with retro styling. That makes it an excellent all-around bike... something HD still hasn't mastered yet. |
Hybridmomentspass
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 07:05 pm: |
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what does the CB have over the XR?
I see it has ABS optional, HD doesnt. Anything else?
Well made? I didnt realize there was an issue in QC with the HD.
Reliable - same, are there lots of XRX's broken down? |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 07:57 pm: |
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I suspect the Honda will be less likely to roast your leg in traffic, and start detonating when stuck in summer traffic. Just from a quick look without sitting on either, I suspect the Honda has better ergos too.
I also think the Honda would rip the Harley's lungs out in the quarter mile. |
Danger_dave
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:26 pm: |
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I've Tested the XRs and the CB1300, CBR1000 and several CB900s.
For me:
Efficient transportation/carry passenger: Honda
Pleasure riding: Harley.
Both get your licence confiscated if you flog them on the road.
Personally I'd choose a Speed Triple. It's got the best of both in one package. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:33 pm: |
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I guess the comparison y'all are talking about is the same one that was had when people were comparing the 750Four and the Sportster.
Honda beat H-D then also. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 04:25 am: |
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Oh yawn. please please please, remember your opinion on a bike you haven't even seen in the flesh, let alone ridden, is of limited validity.
Now as I'm a VERY nice man, I'll give you this link.
A virtual visit to the current Milan show.
It's all in French but the pictures are in multilanguage format. 
Just click on the photos.
http://www.lerepairedesmotards.com/actualites/2012 /salon-eicma-milan.php |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 04:49 am: |
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While we're on the subject of new bikes & there's an Italian link.
Drool over this.
750 mono & CVT;
http://www.brutus.it/ |
Teeps
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 11:07 am: |
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Jaimec Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 -
That's true of damn near ANY stock motorcycle, I don't care WHO you are.
Agreed.
The difference would be, IMO, this new 1100 will have no forgiveness. As, the suspension bits look just like they came out of the parts bin from 1980! |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Friday, November 16, 2012 - 03:06 pm: |
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Initial road tests suggest otherwise:
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/117/14801/Motorcycle -Article/2013-Honda-CB1100-First-Ride.aspx
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2013- honda-cb1100-review-quick-ride-91464.html |
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