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Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 12:41 am: | 
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I've loved the little thing ever since I saw it on Stargate SG-1, but have only fondled them, not fired one, so can't speak as to trigger pull etc.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/jeffrey-l ynch/gun-review-fnh-ps90/
http://www.gunblast.com/FrankJames_FNPS90.htm
2 opinions. I usually find the Gunblast articles illuminating.
The first one I saw was $2k, and now they're down considerably from that, $1-1.5k. I'd suggest the rail version and use your optic of choice.
You always see folk in videos & movies slapping in the magazines. That is a combination of movie flash and rote military training. ( Jump training uses this time proven technique ) It's actually kind dumb on a PS-90, since the mating surfaces on the plastic magazine will eventually get beat up, and it loads smoothly enough with proper technique, squeezing the mag release as you press it home. But slapping it works too.
Currently, awaiting Court challenges, I can't legally own one in the Imperial State of NY.
That tells us it's probably a practical and useful defensive arm. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - 12:48 am: |
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A repost, but still fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ps9iMH1N4 |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 09:02 am: |
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The P90 was intended as a personal defense weapon for "rear area" troops. Accepting the fact that there is no rear area any more, but that there is a difference between cooks, truck drivers, artillery, etc. troops that are not intended to engage the enemy directly, vs. line/combat troops that are expected to use their guns to engage the enemy, a weapon was desired that was easy to carry, easy to shoot, and powerful enough for the job.
Just as in WW2, it's a fact that most people just aren't natural pistoleros, and the Armed Services just are not going to even try to train all their people in IPSC level pistol shooting. ( excepting Spec ops troops.... I assure you, SEALS can shoot pistols.......)
So.... In WW2 they came out with the M1 Carbine. A light, handy, and just good enough weapon with it's own .30 cal cartridge closer to a pistol power round than the 30-06 used in the M1 Garand & Springfield & BAR &, &, machine guns.
Very popular with the troops, because it's was light, short and easy to shoot, it has a reputation for being wimpy against heavy winter clothing. ( especially the quilted garments used by the Chinese in Korea )
A bunch of homes have been guarded, lives saved, and deer harvested with a .30 carbine. ( although it's fairly low powered for that job..... not a good bear gun )
The P-90 was designed for the same not-regular-combat troops, and to defeat the body armor of the late 20th century. Specifically Soviet/Russian armor. ( the supplier of the enemies of Freedom for a century ) Even handier than the old M1, it's limited in range and power vs. the M-16 rifle or M-4 carbine, ( just like WW2 ) but is good enough.
But not good enough for armies to buy a butt load of them, so it, and it's ammo, is not going to ever be as popular. Bear in mind that armies have a lot of competing costs, that the European Social Democracies are broke, or going there fast in our current recession, and that a perfect arm for second tier troops is just not as big a priority as transport planes or as sexy as fighter jets. Both are in very short supply for most of our friends, partly because the US has been the peace keeper in Europe, allowing the Social Democracy States to spend money on social programs and welfare, instead of their militaries. ( which, to be fair, was a generally good thing, since this may be the longest period in European history without a major war. Those &*&%^$$ are crazy. Look at history. )
So it's not that the P90 is a bad weapon, or not worth considering, it's that it's timing sucks.
Simple facts are that it's less powerful than a .223 chambered carbine. More powerful than a .22 magnum, and with better ballistics than a 9mm subgun style carbine. Consider it a good 200 yard weapon ( vs. the .223's 350 yard or .308's 600 yard ) good for varmints, too light for deer, ( IMHO ) and a bit less good than the .223 for soft skin deer sized targets. ( aka zombies, IRS executives, or other criminals )
There is not a lot of data yet of the 5.7x28 effects on humans or any other game. It's too new, so that will take a while. It has been used with some success by Peru & the Houston TX Swat team.
Strikes me as a good choice for a disaster backpack arm, ammo is light, and it should do the job. Edges out a 10-22 on power, but loses on ammo cost & availability. A pistol caliber carbine might actually be a better choice for close work, but I'd have to see if I could ring the gong at 100+ yards with one before I'd rate it superior overall.
Speaking of carbines.... anyone try a Kriss Vector? http://www.kriss-usa.com/ |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 09:21 am: |
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Words of Wisdom for the day.
"I like one shot kills where possible and prefer to do all my hunting before I shoot."
Elmer Keith, 1961. |
Swampy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 12:29 pm: |
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Thanks, I just bought 2...Thing 1 and Thing 2 |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 09:32 pm: |
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Jealous.
Report on how you like them please.
Which model(s) did ya get? Railed? Built in optic?
Unrelated, I see Hornady has a new Critical Defense .410 load, with one flextip .41 slug + 2 .35" balls, specifically for the Judge/Governor revolvers from Taurus/S&W. The slug is supposed to obturate in the rifling and stabilize like a regular pistol/rifle bullet with the polymer filled hollow point up front making it a reliable expander. ( starting at .41" ! ) Awaiting performance/accuracy reports.
Looks like a nigh perfect combo for what is possibly best described as an anti-carjacker gun. Or short range defensive.
Likely wouldn't suck out of a .410 Saiga. |
Swampy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 30, 2013 - 11:54 pm: |
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Thing 1 has factory optics, I don't like them but my son does.
Thing 2 is a tri-rail and has the $100 Sight Mark quick disconnect red dot, I like that as the brightness level can be adjusted way down where the factory sight only has two settings. the Sight Mark has a larger lens than the factory sight which is better for old guys like me.
I have already been reloading so I have cut the price from .50 per round to .10
We were making noise this evening and a Sheriff deputy came down the road and I told my son "looks like we have company" but he just kept going.
Gotta love living in the beans... |
Chauly
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 11:59 am: |
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"I see Hornady has a new Critical Defense .410 load, with one flextip .41 slug + 2 .35" balls,"
Sounds like the modern equivalent of the "buck and ball" load from 150 years ago |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 06:32 pm: |
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Yep. Goes well with Winchester's PDX with 3 Dragonball Destructo discs and shot. ( Slug & buck in 12 ga. )
The only "new" tech I've seen in guns for the last century is the Kriss sub-gun recoil system, and it looks familiar. I'd have to do some research, but you could argue it's a new take on the Borchardt and Bergmann design from the late 1800's. Certainly close to the Browning A5 shotgun.
Plastic was used for stocks/grips in the 19th century. Aluminum alloys for frames? I wonder what the first use was in production arms? |
D_adams
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 07:14 pm: |
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Wow, 1000 posts on this one. Gotta be the highest count on any thread I've ever started. |
Ninefortheroad
| | Posted on Monday, July 01, 2013 - 07:36 pm: |
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I am still trying to find enough of the right parts, priced right to finish 2 out of the 3 AR's I been trying to assemble since the original post.
One is a SBR I am waiting on my paperwork before I get into the upper.
The other is a "3 gun" style using a BCM SS 18" Rifle gased/A2 stock so far.
Not sure if I will try to asm. a 4th lower (Spike's) right away or sell it. It is the only part I paid too much for in the panic.
$170 for a stripped lower, Ouch! |
Brinnutz
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 02, 2013 - 11:52 pm: |
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What kind of Spike's lower might you be selling?
Been looking for a Punisher or Calico Jack lower for awhile meow. |
Ninefortheroad
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 09:14 am: |
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Brinnutz...
It is the Calico Jack model.
The problem is I really would like to get pretty close to what I got in it,
then you add the shipping and FFL cost and the price gets to around $210 to the new owner. |
Nukeblue
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 09:18 am: |
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just wait for the next panic, then you'll get it  |
Ninefortheroad
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 10:10 am: |
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Nuke...
Yeah I could just wait until the next panic and make some $s.
But, it is too much fun hunting the parts and finding a good price
I will more than likely just gather the parts to put together another one.
So far...
a 16" LW middy,
a SBR waiting on the paperwork to get the upper
HB target 18" waiting on a Vltor MUR-1S and upper parts. |
Mtnmason
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 12:58 pm: |
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Aesq - "So it's not that the P90 is a bad weapon, or not worth considering, it's that it's timing sucks."
Fair summation, I would say. FN is kind of a quirky gun company (and I'm not referring to the layout of the PS90 or FS200 or the Ugg boot-for-a-stock-SCAR). The majority of their existence has been supplying military arms the world over. Only recently (relatively) have they really delved into the civilian tactical arms market which differs drastically from military order fulfillments.
As for the 5.7-- its such a dynamic little cartridge but as of now it only fits a very niche sect of the civilian (and mil) arms market. I think that once other manufacturers catch on and shed their perceived skepticisms and the public becomes more aware of the over all awesomeness of the 5.7 we might actually see its proliferation as opposed to eventually becoming obsolete. Unless, of course, it gets BANNED which is an absolute possibility. |
Nukeblue
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 01:38 pm: |
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i'd like to have a 18" dmr myself |
Ninefortheroad
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 03:57 pm: |
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Nuke...
He is my plan as parts and money are found for the DMR, mostly drive by accuracy and tempured by cash:
Have
Spikes Calico J. lower
PSA LPK/ALG ACT trigger
BCM SS410 18" rifle barrel
Magpul MOE fixed rifle stock
Rifle ext./ buffer/spring from PSA
Magpul MOE+ grip
BCM BCG
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4 CH
BCM Mod 1 Comp
Planning on:
Adj. Gas block (Seekins?)
Vltor MUR-1S receiver
JP hanguard 15"?
Nikon M-223 1-4X scope?
?cheap 45 deg. offset BUIS?
...and in keeping with the original thread - All black components
All subject to change
(Message edited by Ninefortheroad on July 03, 2013)
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