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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Around the world, we have the same problems America faces. In countries all around the world, people get up in the morning, expend energy all day, and go to sleep owing more debt than they woke up with. Entire countries supposedly broke.

Everywhere, talking heads discuss fixes, political parties, usually only two of them, offer 'solutions'.

The issue of 'money' by private bankers and not sovereign governments is the primary problem. The issue of 'Credit' which is really 'Debt'. It's a scam.


"Jeremy Lee passed away on 28 April 2012. He was a great and free thinking man."



Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujOXgYqZ4v0&feature =relmfu
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lRm2Wwejaw&feature =relmfu
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDl-GslCJh4&feature =relmfu
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RILz2feA098&feature =relmfu
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsq0VgWqvwI&feature =relmfu
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People have just abandoned the willingness to delay gratification and WORK for something. I know DOZENS of kids who think they NEED to graduate a high dollar college in 4-5 years and are unwilling to work while going to a community college and then transfer. Sorry it has to take a few years longer but there is VALUE in graduating debt free. If they actually PARTICIPATED in society while going to school, they might not be so quick to borrow $35K for their Art History degree.

There are too many consumers financing their lifestyle with their VISA cards. Just look at how THAT translates to society at large.

Hell, I know people that MUST have a new car every decade or sooner. I'm not making that up! Many of them don't pay cash either. Really!
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Loki
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Life without a CC is a challenge. It can be done though. The only real debt I have is my mortgage. it means waiting to get stuff until there is a cash reserve dedicated for it.
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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Louis Even (March 23, 1885, Montfort-sur-Meu – September 27, 1974).
A Frenchman who ended up in Canada, compiled this cartoon in the 1930's I believe. It is one of the best examples I've found to explain the simplicity of the monetary system now used globally with the exception of the 'Rogue Nations'. You know, the ones being systematically taken down one by one, like those in the middle east.

Bankers would like you to believe that it is all very complicated, otherwise you'd see through their game.

The term 'Social Credit' has been discredited for a long time. The establishment labels it 'Funny Money' and other things, to protect their vested interests. I post this link not to promote Social Credit, but to show what 'money' is.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/theultimatescam/moneymy thexploded.htm

Some of the typos and mistakes are probably due to translation from French.
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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2012 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Loki, Credit Cards are a good example of Bank scams, a topic for another time. Here is a link:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=66 62160&page=1

Why might the banks forgive debt, and the government not want to get involved? Why are the banks negotiating on a one to one basis or handing the retrieval job to Debt Collectors?

Credit Cards are a real doozy.

The term mortgage comes from mort and means "death" (as in mortuary or mortality), and gage means "pledge." Mort-gage means a "dead pledge." In Bouvier's Law Dictionary of 1856, Dead-Pledge is defined as "a mortgage of lands or goods." It's a pledge of death because its an engagement in debt, which is a neglect or violation of our duty; we're not supposed to engage in those things. This is why we're not to owe man anything:

Romans 13:8, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:"
There is no love when one neglects or violates the Law of God. The definition from Bouvier's is a full disclosure that one is walking in bondage and death when engaged in mortgages and debt.

The basis of all 'law' is religious, even if as individuals we may not be. We do live in the Matrix.
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Geedee
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1881: President James A. Garfield (The 20th President of the United States who lasted only 100 Days) states two weeks before he is assassinated,
“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.” — James A. Garfield

“It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” — Henry Ford

“From now on, depressions will be scientifically created.” — Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913.

"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

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Geedee
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 06:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"In 1787, the Founding Fathers were deeply concerned, in the most practical possible way, with the role of government in America's monetary and banking systems. They themselves were eyewitnesses to the raging inflation and business depression—what we today know all too well as an "inflationary depression" or "stagflation"—that followed the emission of "Bills of Credit" (paper money) by both the Continental Congress and the States during the War of Independence.

Therefore, confronted with the task of drafting a new fundamental law to control the government, the Founders carefully crafted the monetary powers of the Constitution to prevent repetition of such a calamity, by (they hoped forever) outlawing what James Madison in the Federalist Papers denounced as the "fallacious Medium" and "improper and wicked project" of paper money.

In Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 and Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, the Constitution adopts silver and gold coin exclusively as the money of the United States. The standard of value in this system is the "dollar,” as that coin historically existed in the late 1700s, containing 371-1/4 grains (troy) of fine silver. The Founders knew no other "dollar".

Article I, Section 8, Clause 2 and Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, the Constitution prohibits, implicitly or explicitly, the emission of any form of paper money (what the Founders called "Bills of Credit"). And the latter provision disables the States from imposing on unwilling creditors "any Thing but gold and silver Coin" as a "Tender in Payment of Debts"—which re-emphasizes that Congress may declare only silver and gold coin a legal tender.

In 1913, Congress created the Federal Reserve System, a quasi-public, mostly private banking-cartel that asserts political "independence" from supervision by Congress, the President, the courts, or the electorate—and that is specially privileged to emit its own paper currency, FRNs. Although Congress has declared these notes to be "obligations of the United States,” in complete disregard of Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the Constitution it has never enacted a single statute authorizing the dollar-amount of such obligations the FRS can "create out of nothing" and for which the Treasury of the United States—ultimately, the American people as taxpayers—are supposedly liable.



"Inflation is a direct result of the actions by the Fed. They print fiat US dollars in excess of the available monies and flood the monetary system. This drives prices higher because it takes more US dollars to equal the amount of a US dollar. Currently, the US dollar is sitting at a worth of $03.8 cents.

At a Senate Budget Committee meeting in April, Bernanke used fear to coerce lawmakers on Capitol Hill. He stated: “Sustained high rates of government borrowing would both drain funds away from private investment and increase our debt to foreigners, with adverse long-run effects on US output, incomes, and standards of living. Moreover, diminishing investor confidence that deficits will be brought under control would ultimately lead to sharply rising interest rates on government debt and, potentially, to broader financial turmoil. In a vicious circle, high and rising interest rates would cause debt-service payments on the federal debt to grow even faster, resulting in further increases in the debt-to-GDP ratio and making fiscal adjustment all the more difficult.”

"Just this past week, Bernanke announced QE3, an indefinite purchasing of mortgage-backed securities at $40 billion per month which will devastate the US dollar’s value through infinite printing of fiat and a “regressive redistribution program”."

"The central bankers are intentionally destroying the US dollar because out of the ashes, they have planned a global fiat that will eventually replace all fiat across the world."

http://chasvoice.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/central-ba nkers-inflate-fiat-while.html
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Geedee
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 04:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"All of the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arises, not from the defects of the Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation."
John Adams, Founding Father


THE ECONOMIC RAPE OF AMERICA by Frederick Mann

"Legal tender is quite different from lawful money. In no U.S. law are Federal Reserve notes declared to be "lawful money." Lawful money is that money described in the Coinage Act of 1792 and in Article I, section 10 of the U.S. Constitution: gold and silver... the only money the Supreme Law of the Land allows states to make legal tender."
Tupper Saussy, 1980

POLITICIANS AND BANKERS IN THE SAME LEAGUE
Democrat, Republican, and Independent voters have wondered why politicians always spend more tax currency than they collect. The reason should now be clear. When you study our "debt-currency" system, you soon realize that the politicians are not the agents of the people. They are the agents of the Federal Reserve bankers, for whom they plan ways to place the people further in debt. Let me again quote the words of Senator John Danforth:

"I have never seen more senators express discontent with their jobs. ... I think the major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices to doing something terrible and unforgivable to this wonderful country. Deep down in our hearts, we know that we have bankrupted America and that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. ... We have defrauded our country to get ourselves elected."

Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Congress shall have power... to coin money, regulate the value thereof... " But what have our politicians done? In 1913 they traitorously gave the U.S. Treasury to the Federal Reserve bankers - lock, stock, and barrel! Someone recently asked, "What's the difference between Kindergarten and Congress?" Answer: "One has adult supervision!" Actually, we shouldn't criticize Congress, after all, we have the best Congress money can buy."

MOUNTING DEBTS AND WARS
"We, as a people are now ruled by a "banker-owned system" that has usurped the mantle of government, disguised itself as our legitimate government, and set about to pauperize and control the people. It is now a centralized, all-powerful apparatus whose main purposes are spending the people's currency, promoting war, and propagandizing to perpetuate itself in power. Our two large political parties (the "Demopublicans" also called "Republicrats") have become its servants, the various departments of government its spending agencies, and the Internal Revenue Service its collection agency.

Unknown to the people, our "banker-owned system" operates in close cooperation with similar apparatuses in other nations, also disguised as "governments." Some, we are told, are friends. Others, we are told, are enemies. "Enemies" are built up through international manipulations and used to frighten the American people into going billions of dollars more into debt to the bankers for "military preparedness," "foreign aid to stop communism," "minority rights," etc. Citizens, deliberately confused by brainwashing propaganda, watch helplessly while our politicians give our food, goods, and gold to banker-controlled alien governments under the guise of "better relations," "easing tensions," or "humanitarian aide." Our banker-controlled government takes our finest and bravest sons and sends them into foreign wars, where tens of thousands are murdered and hundreds of thousands are crippled. Other thousands are morally corrupted and addicted to drugs. When the "war" is over we have gained nothing, but we are scores of billions more in debt to the bankers - which was the real reason for the war in the first place!"

THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ILLEGAL
"Although there has never been a court case that challenged the legality of the Federal Reserve System, there was a challenge to the National Recovery Act or NRA, which was ruled unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court - Schechter Poultry v. U.S., 29 U.S. 495, 55 U.S. 837.842 (1935) - ruled that, "Congress may not abdicate or transfer to others its legitimate functions." Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Congress shall have power... to coin money, regulate the value thereof... " By passing the Federal Reserve Act, Congress abdicated and transferred to the Federal Reserve bankers its constitutionally legitimate function of issuing and controlling money. If the Supreme Court ruling on the NRA is applied to the Federal Reserve System, the unconstitutionality and illegality of the Fed becomes obvious."

Read this book, available online here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6155140/The-Economic-Rap e-of-America-By-Frederick-Mann


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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, Geedee, for your posts. I read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" several years ago and became educated about the creation of fiat money from debt. It is alarming and is perceived as "normal" by the overwhelming majority of people because "this is the way it has always been".

At the same time, leadership and a return to the principles of the US Constitution (for us Americans) is the only path to solving this problem. You might be right that the fix is already in but that means that there is nothing we can do. I do not believe that.
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Gschuette
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The C from JI is a great book!

We're so far off the deep end I believe there is no turning back.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The C from JI is a great book!



Roger that.
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Geedee
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 02:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"At the same time, leadership and a return to the principles of the US Constitution (for us Americans) is the only path to solving this problem."

I agree with you Reindog. It is not just for Americans though. Your country has been hijacked as the vehicle to lead and fulfil a UN agenda, and their vehicle for that is International Corporatism/Capitalism.

Capitalism does not need freedom to exist. Nor does Democracy.


"...but that means that there is nothing we can do. I do not believe that."

I agree with you again. Let's discuss it after your elections. That's when it is going to get fun. However, "He who pays the piper calls the tune."


Gschuette, that is an interesting statement from someone connected to banking. Until you finish your Yamaha project you haven't got time to explain.




Victoria Grant's full speech.
http://vimeo.com/41954094


Here is a prize twat, the unelected banker with his own agenda who cares not one toss for your country, or your Constitution. One of far too many pulling strings, whispering in ears and advising your elected representatives. Max Igan is an Australian who calls it like he sees it.



http://occupycorporatism.com/patrick-clawson-assis ting-zio-communist-takeover-of-us-under-cover-of-w ashington-institute/

I would trust that if you believe in the Constitution for the United States, then you would hope to see its principles granted to ALL people on this earth, not just Americans.
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Geedee
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Hidden Evil: The Financial Elite's Covert War Against The Civilian Population
by Mark M Rich

Wall Street funded Communists
Professor Sutton stated, "Western textbooks on Soviet economic development omit any description of the economic and financial aid given to the 1917 Revolution and subsequent economic development by Western Firms and banks." "In the Bolshevik Revolution we have some of the world's richest and most powerful men financing a movement which claims its very existence is based on the concept of stripping of their wealth," declared Allen. "Men like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Schiffs, Warburgs, Morgans, Harrimans, and Milners."

Perloff agreed, "Jacob Schiff, the head of Kuhn, Loeb and Co., heavily bankrolled the [Communist] revolution. This was reported by White Russian General Arsine de Goulevitch in his book Czarism and the Revolution." "According to his grandson John," described Allen, "Jacob Schiff ... long-time associate of the Rothschilds, financed the Communist Revolution in Russia to the tune of $20 million." He continued, "According to a report on file with the State Department, his firm, Kuhn Loeb and Co. bankrolled the first five year plan for Stalin," and added, "Schiff's descendents are active in the Council on Foreign Relations today."

Referring to the emergence of a communist dictatorship which resulted from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Professor Marrs wrote that they were funded by "Germany and America. ... Their repugnant campaign to purify and cleanse Mother Russia and to seek world domination resulted in ... [millions of] human beings wiped out and brutally purged..." He attested, "Brown Brothers Harriman" helped finance it with "money made possible by it and the affiliated Guaranty Trust Company." Professor Sutton agreed, writing "W. Averell Harriman was a director of Guaranty Trust Company" and "was involved in the Bolshevik Revolution."

On February 3, 1949, the New York Journal-American stated, "Today it is estimated even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York Society, that the old man sank about $20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Other New York banking firms also contributed."

Referring to a June 15, 1933, Congressional Record, Allen wrote "Congressman Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking Committee, maintained in a speech to his fellow Congressman: "The Soviet government has been given United States Treasure funds by the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks acting through the Chase Bank and the Guaranty Trust Company and other banks in New York City. ... Open up the books of Amtorg, the trading organization of the Soviet government in New York, and of Gostorg, the general office of the Soviet Trade Organization, and of the State Bank of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and you will be staggered to see how much American money has been taken from the United States' Treasury for the benefit of Russia."

"Now our textbooks tell us that the Nazis and Soviets were bitter enemies and their systems are opposites," observed Professor Sutton. But in the "1920s, W. Averell Harriman was a prime supporter of the Soviets with finance and diplomatic assistance ... [and] participated in RUSKOMBANK," which was "the first Soviet commercial bank. Furthermore, Max May, the Vice President of Guaranty Trust, which was dominated by Harriman and Morgan, became the first Vice-President of Ruskombank." However, declared Professor Sutton, "Averell Harriman, his brother Roland Harriman, and ... E.S. James and Knight Woolley, through the Union Bank ... were prime financial backers of Hitler." He asked, "How could a rational man support Soviets and Nazis at the same time?"

A curious dilemma arises when faced with the documented fact that Wall Street funded both Communists and Nazis. First, it would seem these two forms of government are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. And that capitalists would see them as a threat to their growth. Allen provides a possible answer, writing, "But obviously these men have no fear of international Communism. It is only logical to assume that if they financed it, and are willing--even eager--to cooperate with it, it must be because they control it. Can there be another explanation that makes sense?" He adds, "Remember that for over 100 years it has been a standard operating procedure of the Rockefellers and their allies to control both sides of every conflict."

Before Winston Churchill became Prime Minister of Great Britain, he acknowledged a conscious effort of wealthy people to install a communist dictatorship in Russia. He wrote in the February 18th, 1920 issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald, that "From the days of Spartacus [Adam] Weishaupt ... to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bella Kuhn, Rose Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world-wide conspiracy has been steadily growing." He affirmed, "It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

After the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street ensured the communists would retain control of Russia. Professor Sutton described this effort when he wrote, "On may 1st, 1918, when the Bolsheviks controlled only a small fraction of Russia (and were to come near to losing even that fraction in the summer of 1918), the American League to Aid and Cooperate with Russia was organized in Washington, D.C to support the Bolsheviks. This was not a 'Hands off Russia' type of committee formed by the Communist Party U.S.A or its allies. It was a committee created by Wall Street with George P. Whalen of Vacuum Oil Company as Treasurer and Coffin and Oudin of General Electric, along with Thompson of the Federal Reserve System, Willard of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, and assorted socialists."

"The Bolsheviks were not a visible political force at the time the Czar abdicated," Allen wrote. "And they came to power not because of the downtrodden masses of Russia called them back, but because very powerful men in Europe and the United States sent them in. "They [Lenin and Trotsky] joined up, and, by November, though bribery, cunning, brutality and deception, they were able (not to bring the masses rallying to their cause, but) to hire enough thugs and make enough deals to impose out of the gun barrel what Lenin called 'all power to the Soviets.'"

"Having created their colony in Russia," said Allen, "the Rockefellers and their allies have struggled mightily ever since to keep it alive. Beginning in 1918 this clique has been engaged in transferring money and, probably more important, technical information to the Soviet Union." Perloff agreed, writing, "Probably no name symbolized capitalism more than Rockefeller. Yet that family has for decades supplied trade and credit to Communist nations. After the Bolsheviks took power, the Rockefellers' Standard Oil of New Jersey bought up Russian oil fields, while Standard Oil of New York built the soviets a refiner and made an arrangement to market their oil in Europe. During the 1920's the Rockefellers' Chase Bank helped found the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce, and was involved in financing Soviet raw material exports and selling Soviet bonds in the U.S."

According to Senator Barry Goldwater, Chase Manhattan built a truck factory in Russia which could also be used to produce armored vehicles such as tanks and even rocket launchers. Perloff echoed, "American technology helped the Soviets construct the $5 billion Kama River truck factory ... [which was] successfully converted by the Kremlin to military purposes."

Wall Street continued to aid the Russian communists as they supplied the Vietnamese communists that Americans were fighting in Vietnam, says Allen. In the late 60s Rockefeller and other industrialists built synthetic rubber plants and an aluminum factory totaling about 250 million dollars. Professor Sutton observed, "these American capitalists were willing to finance and subsidize the Soviet Union while the Vietnam War was underway, knowing that the Soviets were supplying the other side."

An article appeared in the New York Times on January 16, 1967, which carried the headline, Eaton Joins Rockefellers to Spur Trade with Reds. Perloff summed up the story, "The ensuing story noted that the Rockefellers were teaming up with tycoon Cyrus Eaton, Jr., who was financing for the Soviet block the construction of a $50 million aluminum plant and rubber plants valued at over $200 million." He added, "The Chase, which maintains a branch office at 1 Karl Marx Square in Moscow, has gained notoriety for financing projects behind the Iron Curtain."

W. Averill Harriman was made U.S. Ambassador to the USSR in 1941. Allen wrote, "Sutton quotes a report by Averell Harriman to the State Department in June, 1944 as stating: 'Stalin paid tribute to the assistance rendered by the United States to Soviet industry before and during the war.'" "It is not an exaggeration to say that the USSR was made in the USA," observed Allen.

Referring to Professor Sutton's book, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, he wrote, "No one has even attempted to refute Sutton's almost excessively scholarly works. They can't. But the misinformation machines that compose our mediacracy can ignore Sutton. And they do." The book, added Perloff, "is based on assiduous research, including a deeper probe into State Department files."

Professor Sutton warned, "The synthesis sought by the Establishment is called the New World Order. Without controlled conflict this New World Order will not come about. ... And this is being done with the calculated, managed, use of conflict. ... This explains why the International bankers backed the Nazis, the Soviet Union, [and] North Korea ... against the United States. The 'conflict' ... [builds] profits while pushing the world ever closer to One World Government. The process continues today."

Summary
The evidence that these researchers present, which includes mainstream news and State Department records, suggests that Communist Russia was not only heavily funded by Wall Street, but was the actual creation of Wall Street. The Communist Revolution was instigated by Wall Street. Wall Street continued to build Russia even as they supplied aid to a country that America was at war with. Because they created communist Russia, they must have known about the millions of people being murdered.

http://www.thehiddenevil.com/TOTRYG.pdf


"A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free"
Thomas Jefferson

http://www.barefootsworld.net/docs/fedchart.txt

Strange don't you think, that the rich and powerful, those most admired in America, are predominately secret Socialists? The 'Achievers of The American Dream'. Wakey wakey!

(Message edited by Geedee on October 06, 2012)
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Gschuette
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

lol

The truck needed new tires, as does the R1 and chain/sprockets and suspension freshening. The Buell needs a tranny. Always something with these vehicles. I'm a gas regulator and a spool of wire away from having the welder up and running! Woot!

Back to the NWO banking shiz!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://xkcd.com/1013/

Don't forget to read the tag that comes up when you run the cursor over the 'toon.

I know this cartoon isn't germane to the discussion.... or is it?
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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Yeah Aesquire, that's me, and the cartoon is relevant.

You know, I'm watching the circus side shows that are the 'Presidential Debates'. Can't work out yet just who has been selected for the next 4 years though. Hmmm!

The 'power' is within each and every individual who just needs to take it back, if only they can see what is really going on.

I remain hopeful. In the end it's all just a silly game, until it turns to tears.

Here at home I enjoy messing with 'their' rules. Makes 'them' very angry .
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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, October 06, 2012 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“Our corporate form of governance is based on Roman Civil Law and Admiralty, or Maritime Law, which is also known as the ‘Divine Right of Kings’ and the ‘Law of the Seas’ — another fact of American history not taught in our schools. Actually, Roman Civil Law was fully established in the colonies before our nation began, and then became managed by private international law. In other words, the government — the government created for the District of Columbia via the Act of 1871 — operates solely under Private International Law, not Common Law, which was the foundation of our Constitutional Republic.

This fact has impacted all Americans in concrete ways. For instance, although Private International Law is technically only applicable within the District of Columbia, and NOT in the other states of the Union, the arms of the Corporation of the UNITED STATES are called ‘departments’ –i.e., the Justice Department, the Treasury Department. And those departments affect everyone, no matter where (in what state) they live. Guess what? Each department belongs to the corporation — to the UNITED STATES.

Refer to any UNITED STATES CODE (USC). Note the capitalization; this is evidence of a corporation, not a Republic. For example, In Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C), it is unequivocally stated that the UNITED STATES is a corporation. Translation: the corporation is NOT a separate and distinct entity; it is not disconnected from the government; it IS the government — your government. This is extremely important! I refer to it as the ‘corporate EMPIRE of the UNITED STATES,’ which operates under Roman Civil Law outside the original Constitution. How do you like being ruled by a corporation? You say you’ll ask your Congressperson about this? HA!!

Congress is fully aware of this deception. So it’s time that you, too, become aware of the deception. What this great deception means is that the members of Congress do NOT work for us, for you and me. They work for the Corporation, for the UNITED STATES. No wonder we can’t get them to do anything on our behalf, or meet our demands, or answer our questions.

Technically, legally, or any other way you want to look at the matter, the corporate government of the UNITED STATES has no jurisdiction or authority in ANY State of the Union (the Republic) beyond the District of Columbia. Let that tidbit sink in, then ask yourself, could this deception have occurred without full knowledge and complicity of the Congress? Do you think it happened by accident? If you do, you’re deceiving yourself.

There are no accidents, no coincidences. Face the facts and confront the truth. Remember, you are presumed to know the law. THEY know you don’t know the law or, for that matter, your history. Why? Because no concerted effort was ever made to teach or otherwise inform you. As a Sovereign, you are entitled to full disclosure of all facts. As a slave, you are entitled to nothing other than what the corporation decides to ‘give’ you.

Remember also that ‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse.’ It’s your responsibility and obligation to learn the law and know how it applies to you. No wonder the corporation counted on the fact that most people are too indifferent, unconcerned, distracted, or lazy to learn what they need to know to survive within the system. We have been conditioned to let the government do our thinking for us. Now’s the time to turn that around if we intend to help save our Republic and ourselves — before it’s too late."

“As an instrument of the international bankers, the UNITED STATES owns you from birth to death. It also holds ownership of all your assets, of your property, even of your children. Think long and hard about all the bills, taxes, fines, and licenses you have paid for or purchased. Yes, they had you by the pockets. If you don’t believe it, read the 14th Amendment. See how ‘free’ you really are. Ignorance of the facts led to your silence. Silence is construed as consent; consent to be beneficiaries of a debt you did not incur. As a Sovereign People we have been deceived for hundreds of years; we think we are free, but in truth we are servants of the corporation."

“Congress committed treason against the People in 1871. Honest men could have corrected the fraud and treason. But apparently there weren’t enough honest men to counteract the lust for money and power. We lost more freedom than we will ever know, thanks to corporate infiltration of our so-called ‘government'.

Do you think that any soldier who died in any of our many wars would have fought if he or she had known the truth? Do you think one person would have laid down his/her life for a corporation? How long will we remain silent? How long will we perpetuate the MYTH that we are free? When will we stand together as One Sovereign People? When will we take back what has been as stolen from the us?

If the People of America had known to what extent their trust was betrayed, how long would it have taken for a real revolution to occur? What we now need is a Revolution in THOUGHT. We need to change our thinking, then we can change our world. Our children deserve their rightful legacy — the liberty our ancestors fought to preserve, the legacy of a Sovereign and Fully Free People.”


From a speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of The United States United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303. Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:

“Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) “Hypothecated” all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve – in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a “beneficiary” of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their “subjects,” the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System.

In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend THE FEDERAL United States CORPORATION (emphasis added) all the credit “money substitute” it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their “economic slaves”, the U.S. citizens as collateral against the unpayable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.

Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master for another. .”




The Fed’s US Land-Grab Hidden Within Purchase of Mortgage-Backed Securities

The latest scheme of the banking cartels has been introduced as QE3, which is nothing more than a massive land-grab in the domestic US by the technocrats under the guise of purchasing the mortgage-backed securities through the Federal Reserve to alleviate the pressure the banks are feeling from the bait-and-switch they caused.

Essentially, as the Fed buys the mortgage-backed securities, the central bankers now own all those properties which were bundled and securitized. The experts are still coming to terms with how many homes, small business, small farms and other lands were mixed-up into this Ponzi scheme. The actual total numbers of victimized Americans are continuing to rise and are currently unknown. However, it is clear that as this monster grows, it will be the Federal Reserve at the helm, making sure that more Americans are displaced and foreclosed on.

It is not the value they are after. Bernanke sets the tone for that with interest rates. It is the physical property that interests the central bankers. And this is a massive land-grab – the likes of which has never been attempted in the US and are likely to be a major contributor to our downfall as a sovereign nation. Through the mortgage-backed securities, the central bankers will literally own most of the domestic US.

Source: Occupycorporatism.com


These next 4 videos give some background to the current system:











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Eye opening interview with a smart honest man.

G. Edward Griffin on Quick Fixes, the Looming Great War and Loss of Elite Moral Authority
Sunday, September 30, 2012 – with Anthony Wile

The Daily Bell is pleased to present this exclusive interview with G. Edward Griffin.

Introduction: G. Edward Griffin is a film producer, author and political lecturer. He is the founder of Freedom Force International, a libertarian-oriented activist network focused on advancing individual freedom. First released in 1994, Mr. Griffin’s best-selling financial book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, is a no-holds-barred look into the inner workings of the Federal Reserve banking system, or cartel if you will. Mr. Griffin’s literary contributions are especially noteworthy given the validity of his vision and the exciting and troublesome nature of the times in which we live.

Daily Bell: Let’s jump right in. Are we seeing significant price inflation now?

G. Edward Griffin: It depends on how you define significant, I suppose. I think it’s significant. My personal feeling is the price index is greatly distorted. They keep fiddling with the formula to make it look as good as possible but real inflation, at least here in the States, in terms of the major components of what people buy to live day to day, such as groceries, gasoline and clothing, my feeling is that inflation is already at the double digits. I think it’s ten percent if not more. That I think is significant but then again it’s nothing compared to what I think we are going to see.

It seems to me that probably within the next two years we will be experiencing 15, 20, 25, 30 percent and so forth. It may be much higher because I have a feeling there is a certain tipping point coming when people finally realize – and they always do – in any country where the currency is grinding down. There comes to be a point, like in Russia or in Germany, for example, when inflation was modest and then within a period of a few weeks inflation was way, way out of proportion. It was a psychological factor that made the difference. Nothing else changed except the awareness level that the money was no good. So I kind of think we are going to see similar psychological influence like that here and probably we will catch up with all the inflation that should have been in the market very quickly.

Daily Bell: Are the elites running scared?

G. Edward Griffin: I don’t think the power elites are running scared, no. I think they are very confident that everything is under control. I think they are not worried about the crisis because they want the crisis; the crisis is part of the plan. The monetary crisis, the military crisis, social crisis, racial tensions, crime crisis, environmental crisis – those things all feed into their plan because that’s what frightens people and what makes them passive to accept all these programs that they offer to expand government and increase taxes. So I don’t think they are running scared. I think they’re saying to themselves very comfortably that ‘everything is on track and things are going according to plan and exactly as we wanted.’

Daily Bell: Is the central banking economy breaking down?

G. Edward Griffin: I think the answer to that is yes. It has been breaking down since the day it was created but it’s a question of how obvious it is and a question of how tolerant the population will be to allow it to continue to crumble. Yes, it’s coming down to some very serious challenges to the various governments as they try to figure out how to patch up the ship, to patch up the holes. Maybe that’s a bad example. Maybe what I should be saying is they are finding some way to continue to pump up the bubble, making the bubble go bigger so it doesn’t blow up. They have to pump it bigger because if they don’t they lose control.

Now, that doesn’t sound like a good answer to your question but I really don’t think so because the assumption in that question is that the banking system has been running correctly in the past or is running correctly now, or there is some way to save the banking system. I think the implication of that question is that the banking system is ok, or it has been ok, or is coming apart now. I think that is the wrong assumption because the system has been built on fraud from the very beginning and, as I said, it started to fall apart from the very day it was conceived. I don’t think we should worry about how to save the banking system. I think we should be thinking about how we could let it blow up and get it out of our way, and how to restore a real, honest banking system and not one based on fraud and political favoritism.

Daily Bell: Do you see the elites losing moral authority?

G. Edward Griffin: I definitely think the elites are losing, if they’ve not already lost, the moral authority with most thinking people. Now, how many are in that category? Let me think about that. People who really understand what’s going on in the news I don’t think have had much feeling about moral authority of the elites for a long, long time. But I think the great bulk of the people who are turning to government for salvation, for benefits, for leadership and all that sort of thing still have it somehow in the back of their minds that these political and financial leaders are looking out for their best interest, that large group of people, whatever size that group may be. I don’t think they are losing moral authority.

I think it’s like the situation described 100 years ago by Fredrick Bastiat in his book, The Law. He said when you have a society where people expect the government to take care of them and to solve all the problems, then when things start go bad people blame the government for it. That doesn’t mean the government loses moral authority; it means the people become angry with the government. They say, “This person isn’t doing the job right so let’s find another person who will” – essentially, let’s start switching from one dictator to another. They all want dictators to run their lives for them so they give those people, those dictators, the moral authority to run their lives and they don’t object to that but they get mad at them because they’re not doing a good job.

For example, you see that in our election this year one candidate from one party is debating the candidate from the other party and they are talking about jobs. They say, “Vote for me and I’ll bring jobs back to America,” as though the president of the United States has any right or authority or power to create jobs. Who the heck expects the president to create jobs? If people expect the government or the president to do all these things for them and then they fail to do so, they get mad at the president or the dictator but they don’t want to change the system. I am trying to make a distinction here between this moral authority, which I think a lot of people still grant to their leaders, and the fact that they become angry with them because their leaders don’t give them enough benefits.

Daily Bell: Do the elites intend to plunge the world into war and recession?

G. Edward Griffin: I am trying to be very precise in my thinking on this. I think the elites are prepared to plunge the world into utter chaos, if necessary, for them to maintain their control. It’s not that they want to or that they intend to but they have no qualms against it if it becomes necessary. They don’t really care about mankind; they look at the average working person as an asset, like cattle on a farm or a piece of livestock. They don’t want to jolt the livestock with a cattle prod. It’s not that they want to do that but if cattle get out of line, well, where’s the cattle prod? I think that the people who are really calling the shots in the major societies and governments of the world are really pretty indifferent to the personal suffering or the personal lot of the individual citizen. They may talk a lot about it, they may give speeches about it, they may give lip service to human rights and these things but when push comes to shove, they are only concerned about one thing and that’s the perpetuation of their own power.

Daily Bell: What about Ron Paul?

G. Edward Griffin: Well, what were we taught? I think on the positive side we learned from the Ron Paul campaign that the spirit of liberty is not dead; in fact, it’s alive and well. We saw a continuation of his growth of real commitment to the principles of liberty in the form of this growing movement behind Ron Paul in the face of strong opposition from the media, academia and the political parties themselves. It told me that the potential is there so I am greatly encouraged by that.

The thing I learned from this, and this was very much out in the open for everyone to see, is that the leadership of both parties is totally indifferent to the rank and file of their own party members. We particularly saw this at the Republican convention where they had certain programs where they wanted to liberalize rules for future conventions so that it would be more difficult for minority candidates to even be nominated. They already had rules that made it more difficult but they were afraid that Ron Paul was going to meet those requirements so now they want to change the rules to make it even more difficult for anyone to do that. And it was clear that the rank and file members of the convention did not want that but you could tell by the way the voting was run they didn’t care what the vote was. They called for a voice vote, yay or nay, and it sounded even. You saw it on television. A huge block shouted yea, a huge block shouted nay yet the chairman said, ‘That’s it,’ deems that the yeas have it and they went on to the next issue.

So things like that brought out into the open the fact that the leadership of the Republican Party and similar things have happened in the Democrat Party, too. They really don’t care. Oh wait – that’s not true. They do care about what the rank and file party members want as long as they can override them. They want to make sure that only those people coming to the convention have the correct point of view. In other words, it’s not a democratic process and that is something everybody should have seen in the open and a great lesson to learn from this campaign.

Daily Bell: Rand Paul?

G. Edward Griffin: I don’t have too many thoughts about him. I like everything Rand Paul stands for and I know he’s been greatly influenced by his father. I don’t like everything about Rand Paul. I didn’t care for his decision to support the Romney campaign but I can understand that maybe he feels that’s necessary to garner some kind of niche in the Republican Party. So I might disagree with his strategy. In fact, that’s probably a good reason I am not in politics. I would just stand on principal on everything and be shot down over some little minor issue where if I had compromised on something minor I might still be standing for the major issues. But nevertheless, I like Rand Paul and I hope he will become the rallying point for continuation of the Ron Paul Revolution.

Daily Bell: Romney?

G. Edward Griffin: Well, I’ve known about Romney for many, many years and he is a total creature of the establishment, a total creature of the status quo. He’s offered no substantial change in the major policies of this country. He represents the very thing that’s been destroying this country, and that is this very false contest between Republicans and Democrats. I think Mr. Romney is playing that game beautifully, giving conservative Republicans the false sense that if they just vote for him everything’s going to be fine.

In reality I know that Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama think almost exactly alike on almost everything, or at least on important things. Both of them support fiat money and they both support the Federal Reserve System – they don’t want any changes there. They both support an aggressive US foreign policy overseas, they want our troops in every country in the world, they want us to dominate the world and they want to continue these wars, the important things.

Another important issue is US sovereignty. Are we going to stay as an independent nation, will Canada remain an independent nation, will all countries remain independent, or will they become submerged and lose their sovereignty in the UN? Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are in agreement on that. They both favor the UN. So I look at the three major issues, really the biggest of them all, and I don’t see any difference between Obama and Romney because there’s no difference between the Republican and the Democrat Parties at the top.

Daily Bell: Obama?

G. Edward Griffin: Well, what can I say about Obama that hasn’t already been said? Obama is a man of the left side of the political spectrum who believes in collectivism, big government and small individuals, standing firmly against Mr. Romney, who is standing firmly on the right side of the political spectrum, representing big government and small people. The two wings of the same ugly bird, called collectivism. Obama is playing his role beautifully. He’s somebody for all of the conservatives to hate so they will vote for Romney, and Romney plays his role beautifully as someone for all the progressives and all the liberals to hate so they can vote for Obama. And in that process nothing really changes.

Daily Bell: Let’s take a look around the world. Are the US and the world possibly headed for a global depression? Are we in one already?

G. Edward Griffin: I believe that the word depression is somewhat slippery and needs to be defined. I think we are already moving deeply into depression globally. It is true there are certain little pockets where it is hard to tell there’s a depression but those are just little pockets. I look around where I live and I’m very fortunate. When I drive into town I see nothing but Mercedes and BMW’s and all these expensive cars. All these expensive restaurants are loaded but I know that this is the last little tip of the island that hasn’t been engulfed yet.

The water is rising all around us. You go into most of Los Angeles and you don’t see that kind of affluence at all, and in most countries you hardly see that, except in the areas where the elite and the ruling class and the financial class live. I think, to answer your question, we are moving deeper and deeper into depression, no matter how you want to define that word, in the sense that it means economic hardship for more and more people. And we are going to continue in that direction as long as we follow the same economic policies that we have been following. If we tolerate the same people in public office we will have the same policies.

Daily Bell: Is China headed for a hard landing?

G. Edward Griffin: I’m questioning the assumption behind that question because it assumes that China is now flying high. I think that what we have seen in the media, the impressions we have seen of this great prosperity in China, is not as accurate as the reality. I think that once you get out of the cities, the tourist centers and the financial areas of the big cities of China and you go out in the country you will find destitution and poverty and despair and hunger. China has not been doing anywhere near as well as we’ve been told by our own mainstream media. I think they have and the Chinese themselves have been trying to build up themselves in the view of the world but I think also the American press has been trying to build up China and show it off as kind of a new show place of the world. I don’t know why, unless it’s the fact that China is a communist country and maybe this is an indirect way of showing the world that communism isn’t so bad, that maybe communism is better than capitalism, and then we’re back to all those words again.

But the information I have and primarily the information from people who have come from China is that the appearance of prosperity that we see there is mostly an appearance and it may be true for a very small percentage of the population but it’s a hollow image. Many of those big high-rise buildings that we see are empty. The train stations they build in the suburban areas are empty; nobody goes to those stations. They have beautiful apartment buildings that they have built but they are empty because nobody can afford them. So when you ask whether China is due for a hard landing, I would answer I don’t think China ever took off.

Daily Bell: If China goes out what can stop a global depression? Is the American economy rebounding as they say?

G. Edward Griffin: I don’t think the American economy is rebounding. I am not sure who it is, who they are, except for the people who have a vested interest in having the world believe that it is. In other words, the financial industry, of course, and the political industry are groups with a great vested interest in keeping people content with the status quo. So any information or any editorial opinions to the fact that the economy is not rebounding are repugnant to them because that might lead people to say, “Hey, it might be time for a change.” I think when you use the words, “like they say it is,” we need to take a careful look at who “they” are that are saying it.

A lot of observers are not in positions within the financial industry or in the political industry, just people on the street, local newspaper reporters, people in business. See what they are saying and you get a whole different story. What I am trying to say is I don’t think the economy is rebounding at all. I think what “they” are telling us is not true.

Daily Bell: What strikes you most about the world today, generally speaking?

G. Edward Griffin: Well, you’ve got me in kind of a negative mood here and I’m a bit worried about it but I’m trying to be honest. I don’t consider myself to be a pessimist nor do I consider myself an optimist. I like to consider myself a realist and I don’t think we can solve our problems by pretending that things are better than they are. It’s not just a sales meeting where we have to put on a smile and tell everybody that sales are great, all your friends are making great sales and all you have to do is get out of your negative mood, get out there and sell, sell, sell.

Sometimes there are situations like that where morale can make a difference. But when it comes to the economy, I think the role of morale makes a small difference in terms of optimism in the market and willingness to go out and spend your money. But the more important elements are not just psychological; they are productivity and free-market oriented decisions, the freedom to make an investment or the freedom to make a bad investment or to make a change and so forth. Those things are absent in our society today so I don’t know how to answer your question except to say I don’t think the economy is rebounding and I don’t think pretending that it is will help in any way.

Daily Bell: What’s going on in America? Homeland Security continues to expand. Where is this increased authoritarianism coming from?

G. Edward Griffin: Boy, these are hard questions but they are good questions and they are the questions that nobody wants to ask because they don’t want to hear the answer. Nobody wants to hear that there is no quick fix. Everybody wants to say, “What are you going to do about it?” and that means what are you going to do about it before November and the elections. Then that boils down to who are you going to vote for? They think if you check the right box, choose the right candidate or choose the right political party that everything is okay.

Well, our problems are much deeper than that and therefore the solutions are much more complex than that. I don’t think that the solutions to the problems, at least right here in the United States, have anything to do with voting for the right candidate because the major candidates, as I said before, both represent essentially the same thing so that is not an option. You cannot vote your way out of this mess we are in because you don’t have that option on the ballot box.

So what is the solution then? Well, you’ve got to make sure in the next election, or the one after that, that we do have some options. Now, that’s a long-range process. People have to get up off their couches and out where the masses are. They have to do some education, they have to do some activism, they have to run for office and they have to replace those collectivists that are in positions of power so that the next time the election rolls around you will have some options. That, nobody wants to hear, because it represents a lot of work, a lot of time and a lot of personal sacrifice.

Daily Bell: It seems so methodical and deliberate. Who’s behind it?

G. Edward Griffin: I don’t think there is any one person behind all of this. I think it’s a fact of the system we live in. I come back and use the word collectivism. The world is in the grip of this ideology called collectivism, the concept that the state is more important than the individual and that the individual must be sacrificed, if necessary, for the greater good of the greater number. That concept has taken over the world. As long as we have that concept we have the concept that follows it, which is that government must be the solver of all problems, government is the source of all good, government provides the leadership and we must do what the government says because it’s for our own good. That’s the theory. Now, as long as that exists then government becomes a magnet, a magnet that draws to it the predator class, people who want to run your life and mine and want to do it legally. They want to take our stuff but they don’t want to go to jail for it so they go to work for the government.

Now they can do it legally and they come up with all kinds excuses – they’re going to fight crime, they can fight terrorism and they are going to fight the destruction of the planet. They are going to do all these things that everyone applauds them for but in reality what they are really doing is they want our stuff and they want to control our lives. This becomes their excuse for doing that. So in order to really bring about change we have to change the system itself so that the magnet is turned off.

As long as we accept the philosophy of collectivism, this concept that big government has the solution for everything, we will never solve our problems. They will just get worse because the magnet that draws to it all this predator class will stay and the predators will stay. They will come, they will grow in number and we will be preyed upon.

Daily Bell: What’s your take generally on the health of the Internet these days?

G. Edward Griffin: The Internet, I think, is doing very well these days but it is showing signs of attack. I used the word predators a minute ago and I will continue with that. The predators don’t like the Internet because it’s a means of communication they cannot control. As you know, there has been a lot of talk lately at the national level and the international level at the UN about why it’s so important to control the Internet. They use all these good excuses – they want to stop child pornography, they say there’s cyber terrorism and all these good things they want to control – but you and I know what they really want to control is our personal communication, and the rest of that is just an excuse. They want to clamp down on the Internet so it’s no longer a vehicle for people like me to express my views. So I am worried about the future health of the Internet and I just hope more people will come and defend the Internet against these attacks, which we know are coming.

Daily Bell: What’s your take on these expanding Middle Eastern wars?

G. Edward Griffin: Oh, boy. That’s a big question. At the general level, I guess I have to say I’m as concerned as anyone else because it certainly looks like it’s moving toward another great world war, and people have been predicting that for a long time. I am afraid of that, as I am sure the people in the Middle East are, too. On a more subtle level, I think the possibility of a great world conflict is tailor-made to the agenda of the new world order people because they want to scare the daylights out of the people – and what better excuse to get people to stop reading the Daily Bell or Unfiltered News?

They will convince people that we are at war and we can’t tolerate this kind of stuff anymore. We only have one thing to worry about now and that’s how to save our lives. Everyone will panic and say we have to close down dissent, we have to rally behind our leaders and we must have unity if we are going to survive. So I can see on a more subtle level that this great, horrible catastrophe that we all fear might be desirable to that maniacal group that is trying to put together what is called the new world order.

Daily Bell: Any new projects you want to tell us about?

G. Edward Griffin: When they get through reading the Daily Bell, your readers should come over and sign up for a free subscription to Unfiltered News. We’re very happy with the response we have had to that and we are looking for new readers. You can find that at www.realityzone.com.

Daily Bell: Any last words? Any resources you want to mention?

G. Edward Griffin: My last words are: I’m really not as pessimistic as I may sound. I do have great hope for the future because I see a growing groundswell of awakening and understanding. As long as we recognize that reform is not going to happen overnight, if we recognize that true reform, lasting reform, will probably take a generation or two, then there is great cause to rejoice because we have set in place now ideas and structures and movements that cannot be stopped. It’s just a question of maybe another generation, and the work that we are doing now will be like seeds that will grow all the trees and will then later drop more seeds and grow more trees. We’ve started a process now that within a generation or two has to mature and cannot be stopped. Freedom is assured.

Daily Bell: Thanks again, Ed, for being so generous with your time. We’re sure our readers are appreciative, too.

G. Edward Griffin: Well, that’s very kind of you. Thank you.

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...another un-hinged mind?

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If you can keep your eyes off Abby's legs long enough to listen (ie. multi task)...



... oh yeah, Russian Television, it's probably BS. I'm sure everything will be OK after November 6th.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NO, no, Geedee, between Nov 8th ( figure at least 2 days for fraud challenges ) and the inauguration, in January, The Current Admin. can sign the 3 major UN treaties that will tax our offshore oil, tax all CO2 producing activities, ( including a tax on all US airlines landing in Europe ) and ban the private possession of weapons.

IF Obama doesn't win next month, there may be no US by 2013. At least in the sense of a Constitutional Republic.

( reading some of the above, it seems it isn't today? I have to do some catch up. )
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Geedee
Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2012 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's this? Dennis just confirmed what Abby said.



Watch out Mr Kucinich, you could be labelled a terrorist.

Because of redistricting by the Republican-controlled state legislature following the 2010 state elections, Ohio's 9th congressional district absorbed part of Cuyahoga County, abolishing Kucinich's district and pitting him against 9th district incumbent Marcy Kaptur in the 2012 Democratic primary, which he lost.

Take that Dennis!
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Geedee
Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 02:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While people on this Forum scramble to stay financially afloat, in some cases selling their Buell to do so, and lament the fact they will have to wait to buy a new EBR for a few years because they will be "too expensive", the underlying reason for ALL the financial problems remains almost unaddressed.

The privately owned central banking system of the world.

"The fact is that one of the largest derivatives facilitators in the world is one the principal architects of the Trade Bank of Iraq, plus it is also well-known that J.P. Morgan has a direct connection to the Rothschild banking dynasty; a trend that is to be seen in virtually every central and major bank in existence across the planet."

J P Morgan, issuing bank of US Foodstamps. Don't qualify for debt? Never mind, have some foodstamps. It's still debt, only tastier. Oh yeah, we want to be paid back in Federal Reserve notes. Don't have any? Here, borrow some more.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/state-owned-ce ntral-banks-are-real.html

"As stated at the beginning of this article, when one discusses the reasons for military action, invasion, and occupation from the point of the view of the globalists who direct such operations, there is seldom only one reason for any given action. However, when one considers the information presented here, it would be foolish to rule out the motivation of the imposition of private central banking upon the last few holdouts."

How much longer will you put up with this? You want to know the real reason Ambassador Chris Stevens was murdered?
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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't care if he offends anyone. I like Jackie Mason.

"...the deficit, I never saw such a deficit, the deficit ... We haven't had one successful season yet"

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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The very last lines are so true.
Not just for American politicians but everywhere.
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Geedee
Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2012 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"America is going from what used to be the major capitalistic country in the world of free market – a crusader – into what Mussolini would have called fascism: the merger of state and corporate powers."
Gerald Celente

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Geedee
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2012 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

quote:
West's Weekly Wrap-Up 10/19/2012

"Dear Patriot,

...For those who still refuse to believe we are witnessing a massive growth of the nanny-state government, we learned this week that welfare spending in America has increased by some 34 percent during this Obama Administration. This is why I have said on more than one occasion that we are seeing the battle between the opportunity society and the dependency society. The former promotes the fundamental Constitutional Conservative premise of limited government. The latter is rooted in the beliefs of the liberal progressive socialist welfare state.

Another key factor that gives credibility to the notion that our economy is not recovering, is the horrific monetary policy being enacted. We are now in what is called “Quantitative Easing III” (QE III). Actually, we are in QE III.5 because in between two and three there was something called “Operation Twist” which involved the purchase and sale of United States Treasury bonds in an attempt to lower longterm interest rates.

At this moment, the United States Federal Reserve is printing money in order to buy up our own debt to the tune of nearly $40 Billion a month, with no declared end stated. I find it interesting that we can tell the Taliban when we are leaving Afghanistan, but we cannot predict when we shall stop printing more money.

I thought the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) of 2008 was supposed to buy up the bad mortgage securities that poisoned our financial industry. Yet, here we are four years later still printing money to buy up the debt related to these assets.

In addition, we have interest rates at artificially low levels, just 0.25 percent at my last check. Yet, our financial institutions are not lending money to help small businesses expand and as a result our economy is stuck on an anemic 1.3 percent GDP growth.

It does not take a rocket scientist to recognize none of this is adding up. President Obama is just not equipped to articulate why, and he doesn't understand how to resolve this. It certainly is not about “taxing the wealthy.”

The news is not good. The question is, what are we going to do about it?

The definition of insanity is to continue doing the same thing and expecting different results.


...Steadfast and Loyal,

Allen B. West"



@ 2mins 30secs. Well thank you Mr Bernankie. I haven't seen my $3,000 yet though, and it's been 3 years since. Perhaps it went to the "Bankers' Bonuses" here at your franchise branch the "Reserve Bank of New Zealand". Or did it go toward politicians' salary increaseas?


Ben doesn't seem to know very much, does he? That's why he got the job.

John Phillip Key (born 9 August 1961) is the 38th Prime Minister of New Zealand, in office since 2008. He has led the New Zealand National Party since 2006.
Born in Auckland before moving to Christchurch when he was a child, Key attended the University of Canterbury and graduated in 1981 with a bachelor of commerce, also later undertaking management studies at Harvard University in Boston. He began a career in the foreign exchange market in New Zealand before moving overseas to work for Merrill Lynch, in which he became head of global foreign exchange in 1995, a position he would hold for six years. In 1999 he was appointed a member of the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York until leaving in 2001.

Key entered the New Zealand Parliament representing the Auckland electorate of Helensville as one of the few new National members of parliament in the election of 2002 following National's significant defeat of that year. He has held the seat since then. In 2004, he was appointed Finance Spokesman for National and eventually succeeded Don Brash as the National Party leader in 2006. After two years as Leader of the Opposition, Key led 'his' party to victory in both the November 2008 and the November 2011 general elections.
source Wikipedia

John Boy was sent back here to do his job, to sell out New Zealand. Arrived on the scene from nowhere and went straight to the top. Dickhead.

Well Ben and John, I've got news for you, and it's not good. I'm not paying you back. You can whistle Dixie. I've got plans for a new EBR instead, so please send more.


3 years ago, and they thought it was bad then. 'CHRM' BERNANKE stands for Chriminal, I think ; ).





"Don't be silly Pete you dreamer, you don't understand. We know it's broken. We don't want to fix it. That's not the plan."

Regards,
Ben.
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