| Author | Message | ||
     86129squids |
Hey- Ya know something- it JUST hit me... We're on the front end of an election cycle. This whole chikn thing makes sense now, I prefer my motorcycle.  | ||
| Jon |
Regarding the post with the homosexuality poster, while it is not recorded in the gospels or other New Testament books that Jesus spoke against homosexuality, He clearly did so in the Law. Leviticus 20:13 speaks against homosexuality. It is spoken against elsewhere in the Old and New Testament. Further, in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus states the following - "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". That ends most of your posters arguments. There is much to say about the law and grace for today's New Covenant believers and I wouldn't go into that here just to poke holes in your post. Bottom line, you want homosexuality to be accepted by the bible, well it isn't. You want others to be made to agree with you, well they won't. Marriage is only between and man and a woman. That's just reality. | ||
| Kenm123t |
well said Jon | ||
| Torquehd |
Right on Jon. Marriage was instituted by God and is not something for humans to redefine. To add to that, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil , is for good men to do nothing". +1 for standing up for the truth brother. | ||
| Racerx |
To demonize those who voice support for the traditional definition of marriage and family values is hatemongering. Because divorce, adultery and loveless hetro marriages are all so traditional. Right? Divorce is right there in the bible correct? Being able to dismiss your promise to god is ok right? Having three marriages then jumping on the pulpit to preach about the values of marriage that's in them 10 commandments no?  If anything your lifestyle is hate, just by your statement it shows that how much of an intolerant bigot you really are. | ||
| Sifo |
Justifying bad behavior by pointing at bad behavior of others is just plain poor form. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
you should really change your name to chimchim... monkeys don't know any better. | ||
| Racerx |
Justifying bad behavior by pointing at bad behavior of others is just plain poor form. Soooo how is that any different from what was originally stated by Blake? See why people have a hard time not making fun of you guys. Easy to troll, can't comprehend irony, the whole "don't shove this in my face but don't you dare rebuttal while I shove this Jesus speak in yours!" thing | ||
| Sifo |
Soooo how is that any different from what was originally stated by Blake? Perhaps if I knew what Blake originally said, I could come up with an answer to your question. It's a long thread, help me out a bit here. | ||
| Jon |
Racerx - I agree whole-hearedly that adultery and divorce (i'll add unlaw-ful sex, i.e. fornication, sex outside of marriage) is not condoned either. But add that one does not justify the other. Spot on about hypocrites. Is Newt a spokesman for God? I did not know that. | ||
| Racerx |
He sure acts like one. And everyone here seems to be acting as a spokesperson for god as well. Condemning gay folks, saying your definition is correct cause god says so. All you have is a book written by men. Until your god comes down from the mountain ye shall not judge anyone. Hey! Isn't that one thing that is in that big ol anti-homo book. Judge not lest ye be judged??? | ||
| Sifo |
It's sad you don't engage in dialog. Instead you chose to jump from one attack to the next without any continuity. It really makes you come off as immature and ignorant. Have fun with your monologues. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Hey Chim Chim,.. maybe you should write your own gay bible and make your own rules.... I mean...if you don't like the one most use on this planet. | ||
| 99savage |
My opinions informed by Judeo-Christian ethics (emphasis on the "Judeo" part, I enjoy smiting) but are not religious My ethics have served humanity well for over 3 1/2 millennium. Considering the marriage part of the ethical system, to date we have made it MORE RESTRICTIVE (previously noted by Racerx in his pasted pictures) Racerx: If you want to do something contrary to all of history, not just the Judeo-Christian segment, ALL OF HISTORY, run a demo project someplace & get back to me in a century or two. - Maybe I will change my mind | ||
| 99savage |
Too good not to share (but we already knew this, didn't we) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57493780/cops- lgbt-volunteer-shoots-conservative-groups-guard/ | ||
| Tom_b |
"These people are making a big deal out of gay marriage.I don't give a F#%k about who wants to get married to anybody else. We are making a big deal out of things we shouldn't be making a big deal of. They go on and on about 'sanctity'. Don't give me that 'sanctity' crap! Just give everybody the chance to live the life they want". Clint Eastwood from GQ interview 10/20/2011. | ||
| Tom_b |
In all honesty WHO on this forum would a gay marriage negatively affect? With the exception of your distaste for it, which i share. It is all about a "couple" having legal rights. PERIOD. they will cohabitate and do whatever as the have for milleniums long before christianity was ever a thought. Long before judaism was a thought. Humans have had civilizations for over 6,0000 years. did homosexuality exist then. Probably.. who really cares. Except the self proclaimed moral police. | ||
| Torquehd |
In all honesty WHO on this forum would a gay marriage negatively affect? It negatively affects every citizen of the United States by placing a perverted definition upon a biblical institution and redefining a nation's morality. if you want to live in a society that openly accepts homosexuality, please move to an islamic country and please stop trying to force me to respect homosexuality. there is nothing respectable about a man willingly taking a dick in his ass. (Message edited by torquehd on August 15, 2012) | ||
| Tom_b |
the "morality" of our country is at best laughable. the highest rate of divorce in the world, the highest rate of illicit drug use in the world, the highest rate of teen pregnancies in the world. the "biblical institutuion" is actually a just a show by most people when in actuality it is a state sanctioned civil union | ||
| Aesquire |
Torquehead, that acceptance of homosex in certain islamic countries only applies to certain relationships. The kind that got certain coaches, and priests, in trouble. 12 yr olds, etc. 2 adult gays would get murdered, nastily. Not as nasty as they would kill your sister for walking to the store alone. But, hey, that's their religious belief. Just because I think its a sick and twisted belief doen't mean it doesn't have a good shot at becoming the law of the land. Those with those beliefs are trying very hard to make it so. I disagree with you on the gay marriage deal. Seems to be in line with good libertarian and conservative beliefs to encourage life long monogamous relationships, instead of promiscuity and the disease and heart ache that causes. But hey, If your book tells you not to, don't do it. ( if you want to believe that the breakdown in morality is a vast plot to weaken America.... feel free. You are probably right. ) | ||
| Tom_b |
by the way torquehd.. nobody said respect. just leave em alone and give em a legal staus. besides what about the lesbian who don't like "dick" as you put it. | ||
| Jon |
Racerx, Thanks for being honest. You really don't care what God and His bible says. That's your choice. Thanks for saying that. So what this means is that you can stop trying to say that the bible does not condemn or is not qualified to condemn sexual perversities of all stripes. Perversities = what is not the God given norm - man on woman, but only after marriage. Live your life how you want to, but don't attempt to argue it's merits with people who know better hoping that I'll be convinced and don't demand that your hope is reality. It isn't. It really never will be. | ||
| Jon |
So all the other non-marriage before sex stuff if out too, y'know. Pay up! | ||
| Tom_b |
What does the bible have to do with it? It is a simple case of legal recognition. as late as 1960 blacks were told they were inferior, immoral, had no souls and did not deserve equal rights. 100 years ago women were told they were not equal to men according to scripture. Yes i find homosexuality distasteful. but having grown up with racism, bigotry. i get a little tired of hearing about god fearing christians who are so willing to stomp on someone they don't agree with. The person who has the most bias towards a group of people is usually the one with the narrowest mind or least education. (Message edited by tom b on August 16, 2012) | ||
| Jon |
Tom, You associate man made maladies with the Bible? But to answer your question, the bible has everything to do with it. It is God's word. What does discrimination against blacks who were made in God's image have to do with the Bible? God didn't do that nor did he tell anyone to do it. If you actually read the bible you find that Solomon loved a black woman, Moses' wife was black, and the famed Ethiopian eunich of Acts was...you guessed it, Black. If God promoted discrimination and slavery of Blacks it would be clearly stated. It was God fearing men and women who began to rail against slavery as evil in this country, not the politicians and not even many of the founding fathers, some of whom had slaves! Your are railing against your own assumptions bro, not the bible, christians or God. | ||
| Tom_b |
simple Jon.. Men twist the words into what they think is right. I know none of this is actually said in the bible. neither is terrorist bombing and killing innocent women and children in the Koran Christians, muslims jews have all twisted the words of their religion to reach their purposes. You are correct somewhat about the above. also Jesus preached love and forgiveness to fellow men. Is that all men or just the ones that belive in the christian doctrine? | ||
| Torquehd |
What does the bible have to do with it? America was founded on biblical principles. Tom B, please reference leviticus 20:13 “If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." and leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination". and Genesis 2:24, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh". God's design has always been one man and one woman. And Matthew 19:5, where Jesus quotes Genesis 2:24. Please also reference common sense. There is no reason to reward homosexuals for being gay. What if a man wants to marry 3 men? what if a man wants to marry a horse? what if a man wants to marry the moon? there has to be a concise definition of marriage. it can't just be whatever liberals feel is trendy at the moment. | ||
| Racerx |
Ohhh we are going to post links about radicals from groups shooting people eh? Hmmm let me get my google fingers ready and find Ol' Mr Timmy McVeigh, how about all those abortion doctor killings, and planned parenthood clinic bombings? Let's go back to witch burning while were at it? How about that Crazy Christian Hitler and that little snafu with the Jews? I'm sure Westborro would love to have all you guys on their team, you are one sharpie marker away from a nice protest sign me thinks LOL | ||
| Tom_b |
LOL @ torquehd marry a horse! the comparison between beastality and homosexuality is laughable. The United states was founded on FREEDOM, not america. there were people here LONG before the white man who never cared about christianity. Look what christianity and the white mans god has done for them. The same people who founded the US fled an opppressive. In a country with religious freedom and freedom of choice why bring up the bible in a political process? Like i said before, jesus said "love thy neighbor" or do you only quote the parts of the bible convenient for your cause like most fanatics do. Nobody is "rewarding" gays. Just possibly giving them a legal status as a couple to have the same rights as everyone else. Actually i am not a "liberal" just not a right wing fanatic that espouses the word of a christian god while at the same time spewing hate and intolerance of their fellow man. (Message edited by tom b on August 16, 2012) (Message edited by tom b on August 16, 2012) | ||
| Hootowl |
"Crazy Christian Hitler" That is a despicable lie and you know it. |
