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Datsaxman
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 02:08 pm: | 
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Boogiman, you clearly know nothing about the sport. And you might have missed the part where I said:
//He was genuinely the best rider at the TdF seven years in a row, on a mostly level playing field. His methods changed the game like few ever will. His devotion to the task, his desire, his intensity, were unbelievable.
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Armstrong was clearly the best for three weeks in July, seven years in a row.
In real life, EVERYBODY in the pro peloton is incredibly gifted. And they work their a$$ off too. The sport is huge in Europe, and the pros have beaten out a lot of very good riders to get their jobs. They are ALL genetic freaks. People like to say "LA was one in a million". So there are 300 more like him in the US...one in a million isn't enough for a Disney fantasy.
In real life, the kind of stuff you see in children's movies is not possible. You know, when the hero runs two laps in the time it takes everybody else to run one.
In real life, the differences between the winner of the TdF and the tenth place rider are very small.
In real life, the testing procedures and the amount of stuff the riders ingest and inject makes this a question of very fine lines. Lines that ALL of Armstrong's rivals crossed many times. The evidence is in the test results.
In real life, Armstrong failed tests also. Do your homework. He always got around the tests, with TUEs, with after-the-fact work-arounds, even with a huge payoff to the UCI.
I would like to believe that Armstrong, clean, could beat everybody else, cheating. But the evidence is too overwhelming. Evidence, nothing else.
Or just relax and enjoy the fantasy without worrying about the evidence. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 03:02 pm: |
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You're going to have to quote sources referring to Armstrong failing a test, and then getting around it. I don't know who you are and you have absolutely no credibility with anyone else here either so we're not going to accept you at your word. Quote links to credible reports that back up these wild assertions, or just pack it in and stop wasting our time. I've been following Lance for YEARS as I was heavy into bicycling long before I got into motorcycles and I cannot remember one single report anywhere backing up your claim. |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 03:42 pm: |
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thank you Jaime couldn't have said it better myself.
Steve there is a lot you are assuming about me. |
Datsaxman
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 07:23 pm: |
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Emma O'Reilly, direct accuser, 1999
Apparently, LA tested +, then got a postdated prescription, used that to obtain a TUE after the fact, and beat the + test.
Credibility: high
Steve Swart, direct accuser
Cred: unknown
LNDD (dope lab), "suspicious" test results from 1999 TdF belonging to LA
Cred: very high
Frankie Andreu, direct accuser
Cred: very high. I know FA. Very high.
Betsy Andreu, direct accuser. Se prev. entry
Greg LeMond, recorded conversation where LA admits all. Lisa McIlvain (Oakley rep) admitted to hearing LA admit all, then recanted. Bought out or threatened, probably. But she said she heard it all.
Cred: high
Michael Ashenden, researcher. "suspicious" results
Cred: very high
Floyd Landis, direct accuser
Cred: lousy
Tyler Hamilton, direct accuser
Cred: lousy
2001 Tour de Suisse, four ++++ urine tests. These are tests Floyd and Tyler refer to as "being made to go away". ++++
Cred: high
Martial Sangy, Tour de Suisse Anti-Dope Agency guy responsible for above tests
Mike Anderson, who found Androsenone in LA\s apartment in Girona, Espana 11/2004.
Cred: high
Hem Assist allegations by Sports Illustrated
Cred: circumstantial
Michele Ferrari, MD association
Cred: circumstantial
Don Catlin, researcher hired to set up the LA "totally transparent, public blood tests" in 1998. This was discontinued after ONE test.
Cred: circumstantial
Positive dope tests of LA teammates are many, all top riders who left LA's team. Roberto Heras, Tyler, Floyd, etc. etc. etc.
Cred: circumstantial, but plentiful.
Bill Strickland's article http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/lance-ar mstrongs-endgame
is a worthwhile read no matter what you think. This guy was very close to LA while much of the events in question were happening. He goes from LA's biggest fan to someone convinced LA cheated. Ask yourself what Strickland knows that you and I don't...
Cred: very high
These are just the most prominent accusers. The original articles, reports, and statements are easy enough to find online and too lengthy to cite in detail here.
One more:
George Hincapie, Grand Jury testimony
I don't know what GH said, but it will likely come out on the next few weeks.
Cred: very high |
Boogiman1981
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 08:52 pm: |
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Ok so still a bunch of he said she said no proof anywhere. In what you've posted or linked to. If there is actual credible proof of him doping then so be it. If not they can all take a hike. |
Datsaxman
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 04:14 pm: |
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Wonder if any of you misinformed Lance fanbois are feeling a little different about the man right about now? I was a fan long ago. Before I met the man...before I read his first book...before a lot of things.
Previously misinformed fanbois might be a better term...it is getting to the point where even his most ardent admirers are having a hard time saying things like "Well...he never tested positive" with a straight face.
Is Armstrong going to ultimately be remembered as the "greatest cheat in sports history?" The depth and quality of the evidence that is just now coming out is stunning. Truly unprecedented. |
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