| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
 I think I've done enough for the Buell community that proves that | ||
| Court |
>>>No way it would have had the second fastest lap times if it were 40HP down. The small . . . and predisposed . . . of mind will believe anything . . . even if it flies in the face of common sense, facts and physics. Lowest HP ? . . . 2nd fastest lap . . . what's wrong with this picture? You couldn't make up some of the shit you read on the internet. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yeah i know its always the objective to make reasons to make a positive out of neg. quite sure steve anderson will.be doing the CW test. hey wolf pipe up bro. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
What would you like me to pipe up about... you have let us know plenty of times that you helped plan a Homecoming... had EB and the Thunderbolt play at your bar... your son painted up some plastics for Erik.... ALL of those things... I take my hate off to you for. BUT!! It seams like you take EVERY chance you get to to kick some dirt at us poor schmucks that are still holding the EBR Flag. | ||
| Court |
I'be been around long enough . . . I recall when folks listened. Those were the days. | ||
| Xodot |
I read something true on the internet when I was staying with Geoff May one weekend Remind me to tell you about it sometime.  | ||
| Court |
Though it would be cool to see Steve do the test or at least participate. Steve is one of the most qualified and respected journalists in the motorcycle industry. In addition to his sterling qualifications as an M.I.T. Engineer and the nation's leading authority in forensic motorcycle accident reconstruction he's an expert lever rider/racer and has spend a couple decades doing such reviews. This is good news . . . I didn't even know he was doing a review ! Cool ! | ||
| 46champ |
I guess about now it's time that I have something to say about the Roadracingworld article. The only rider they had states at the beginning of the EBR section he was ready to hate the 1190RS and couldn't because it was so good. Then the lightest and least powerful bike turns in the 2nd quickest lap and he states "I can go way faster on the EBR just because how stable it was on the brakes. but I didn't want to step it up. To really ride that thing hard you have to step up to race pace, and I wanted to give the same level of effort to all the bikes." What the heck he is on a race track not the street I thought that was the whole point of doing a track test. Did he purposefully not push harder so it wouldn't have the fastest time. Sounds to me like the rest of the bikes weren't capable of going faster. I know I am just an old airplane mechanic and a drag racer but I smell a rat. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Not a rat, just a skeered journalist. They're so used to Buell being "no good"...they just can't wrap their poor brains around the fact that times, they are a-changing. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"To really ride that thing hard you have to step up to race pace," To ride fast, you have to ride fast? Maybe the others were being ridden hard at a street pace? | ||
| Court |
Well . . it's sure safe to say that the 1190RS (current 2012 Superbike of the Year) is getting plenty of attention. I can understand the rider's apprehension. I used to have folks give me their bikes and ask me to "wring 'em out" when I was doing test riding. Although it's fun to ride someone else's amazing machine I always took the tact that if I couldn't write a check, there on the spot, for the bike I rode within limits. The day Jeremy Ricker presented me with the Gamma was a perfect example. I do find interesting . . . . after all the silly guff about "only having one front brake" his comment, to wit: "I can go way faster on the EBR just because how stable it was on the brakes". Many, attending the races, are watching Messers. May & Eslick give braking school. It's obvious the 1190RS brakes are giving up nothing to conventional designs in terms of ability to stop. Toss in the weight of the front wheel (I went and got a wheel to pass around at Homecoming to give folks a sense of what we're talking about. If you haven't felt the EBR wheel, you are in for a treat. Think "styrofoam cup") and you have a great combination. It's fun to watch these test. The one last month where they compared wheels really highlighted EBR engineering and the ability of The Elves to do things now that they couldn't under the Luddite mindset constraints of the 94-09 period. Fact is . . there are no "bad" bikes. Anyone who'd suggest that is either ill informed or ill motivated. But, it's just as ridiculous to infer that the EBR is any longer some sort of "wannabe" Superbike. Listen closely in the pits as the riders whisper who they respect and what they want to ride. Interesting, last year, when Geoff at one point, passed a rider to go into the lead and to see the guys pit cheering Geoff. Fact is . . many in the race community who may not be huge fans of the bike are HUGE fans of what the people at EBR are doing. Until now . . .folks have been content to improve the breed. EBR is redefining it. I measure success by the number of new Elves appearing weekly. It was fun, when I arrived for Homecoming, to walk in and hear someone yell "welcome back" (they thought I was returning to work as an employee when they saw me in the offices) and to see some of the incredible talent (you know the names) that is resurfacing. My favorite quote . . . . "I'm loving it . . I spend 14 hours a day engineering the most amazing things I've ever dreamed of. This is the first time I've actually had a CAD station on my desk and haven't been bogged in the mire of trying to justify common sense to some kid at Juneau". We live in interesting times. I'd love to see a Steve Anderson test. He has the talent to ride the bike and know what he's talking about at "race pace". Court | ||
| Reepicheep |
Ow. That one hit pretty close to home. And its not just kids, and its not just Juneau. I think secretly my *real* hope here is that this is the start of a revolution in American industry. Death of the bureaucracy, and a return to excellence the way we already achieved it the first time, with agile, streamlined, determined, and ruthless technocracies. (Message edited by reepicheep on June 16, 2012) | ||
| Court |
>>>>my *real* hope here is that this is the start of a revolution in American industry. You can't possibly imagine what's occurring . . . it's time. I've been waiting for someone to ask . . . "if there are 36 of the most talented engineers in America, working 6 days a week, 12 hours a day . . . where's the output? . . . what's coming out the back door?" I've written extensively and suspect you may get to read more about it in some journals in the near future. Some of you recall when MADE IN AMERICA carried great weight. It was neither a sense of arrogance nor geographic entitlement . . .it was a spirit that made America the center of the industrial revolution and earned this country the "American Ingenuity" tag. We're coming out of a period of industrial and creative complacency. We got a bit side tracked . . . some of us expected others to carry the wight or sought to affirm our lackluster achievements simply by making fun of "Japanese" or "Chinese" engineering. We lost sight that excellence requires hard work and commitment. Much more to say . . . but a busy day here in WI . . . We are living in amazing times and some amazing things are poised to occur. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Remind me where the engine is made again? | ||
| Moxnix |
And may I purchase one tuned like Henry's from the factory to run in Land Speed Racing production class (outwardly looking stock)? Any dealers near St. Louis? | ||
| Court |
>>>>Remind me where the engine is made again? EDIT: "Uhh. . . I shouldn't have said that." Rebues Hagrid (Message edited by court on June 16, 2012) | ||
| Gregtonn |
"Remind me where the engine is made again?" Which parts? G | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
cases are from austria i believe, then the rods and cams and pistons are USA, the valve train is USA i believe and it is assembled in the USA.... So id bet money that the majority of the engine is BUILT AND MADE IN THE USA....my guess lol not a whole lot of the 1125 parts made it into the 1190 Jake | ||
| Court |
Product and vendor sourcing . . . like many other things . . . is a really interesting discipline that's subject to significant levels of unwarranted and inaccurate internet garble. A couple years ago there was a fabulous article about the Buell XB being a "world bike" (hint: so are Suzukis, Honda, MV and Ural) and rather than learn about the science of material sourcing the discussion instead centered about the wheels being from China. This from folks who never seemed terribly disturbed about HD parts from Asia, EEU and Australia. While the banter continued some folks set about "making a better mousetrap" and developed what is arguably the most engineered (far and away the lightest) wheel ever developed for a motorcycle. This wheel wasn't developed by the 600 engineers at Ducati or the 2,900 at Honda . . . it was done by 15 folks in a rented space in Wisconsin. Pretty cool.  The Helicon motor . . . was, at one time produced in Australia. It was developed by a team of engineers, mostly American and Austrian, working together. There were moratoriums that prevent transfer of the joint technology to other products for a period of time. That source too has subsequently evolved and I suspect that if you journeyed to Austria you'd find not a tool, a spare part or a document regarding the Helicon motor. It's really an amazing business and we are . . . indeed . . living in interesting times. | ||
| Alfau |
You can't possibly imagine what's occurring . . . A trip to the spare parts shop 2013. .  (Message edited by alfau on June 17, 2012) | ||
| Ratbuell |
That source too has subsequently evolved and I suspect that if you journeyed to Austria you'd find not a tool, a spare part or a document regarding the Helicon motor. Very nicely put, Court  I still fail to see why people, who claim to be Buell/EBR supporters, continue to try and point fingers and find fault. Is it so hard to believe that so few people, in the aforementioned "rented space in Wisconsin", can slay Goliath? It would be...if we hadn't seen them do it a number of times before. And I have a strong suspicion they're not done yet. | ||
| Danger_dave |
So that would be American* Motorcycles. (This is soooo easy.) | ||
| Anonymous |
Danger Dave, The engines are assembled from scratch in Wisconsin, FYI. Crankshafts, rods, pistons, rings, pins, valves, valve seats, springs from California, camshafts from Florida, cylinder heads machined from raw castings in Wisconsin, etc. Cylinders machined in Wisconsin. Cases will be machined in Wisconsin moving forward. Clutch comes from Switzerland, of course, transmission gears from the same supplier Rotax used, as well as quite a few parts from other suppliers who provided parts to Rotax. The engine would never have existed without Rotax's great work with us originally, but it is in our hands now... | ||
| Danger_dave |
Very good. I was just stirring the pot. Suggest you spell that out clearly when the vehicles are due to be marketed internationally. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
COURT "The one last month where they compared wheels " I picked up the recent RRW and didnt see this part, but know it was in the teaser vid. Are you saying it was in last months issue? Are there any links to where this is online? I am very interested in reading how much lighter the EBR stuff was. I was sitting in B&N reading the RRW comparo and had a huge grin on my face as these testers were praising the front brake on the 1190, something that people have been bashing for so long purely cause it was different. People, in the past (and some will for a bit longer), foolishly slam something cause its different, but Im curious how long it'll be until another manufacturer takes a step to a single brake up front. We've believed in it for years, nice to see the 'outside' world realizing it. And I love the pic of hte "made in the USA" on the wheel! | ||
| Danger_dave |
Well, OK, stirring Court's pot mainly. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Not enough sport in it for me most of the time, Dave.  | ||
| Court |
>>>Well, OK, stirring Court's pot mainly. Impossible . . . . my pot is boiling and running over with enthusiasm. The sportbike world is going to get better. | ||
| Danger_dave |
'He's the energizer bunny' - Buell, E. | ||
| Oldog |
Congrats Henry on that new bike Enjoy! I wish I hads me an EBR, perhaps they will go to production some day with a less elaborate engine in a sport tourer, =) to our friends at EBR Well Done.....  |
