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     Hootowl |
"So they can pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow?" You imply disparity where there is none. For Christians, the new supersedes the old. For Jews, it doesn't. They still practice the oldest food safety laws on the books. | ||
| Hootowl |
Those facebook postings are probably media matters trolls doing their usual bit to smear Fox News. Smearing Fox News is the reason they exist. It shouldn't surprise anyone that that's what they do all day. Fox, to their credit, removed them almost immediately. The Dally Koz other other hand, leaves those kinds of postings up on their site, and claims they aren't responsible for user content. | ||
| Froggy |
Good to know. Still it feels overdue for a New New Testament to bring things into modern times.
I have seen PLENTY that don't have anything to do with Fox. There are sick people of all beliefs. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Still it feels overdue for a New New Testament to bring things into modern times" That would require Christ to come again. If He does, there won't be any need for another book. There won't be anyone left to read it. And if He doesn't, that sort of precludes another Testament. Though I'm pretty sure the Mormons think they've got a New New Testament already. Heck, maybe they do. Christ said he had other flocks to tend to. | ||
| Hootowl |
And then there's the Koran, which was written after the New Testament. You want us to follow the rules in that one? I don't.  | ||
| Sifo |
No clue what you are talking about with hateful displays, but I have seen plenty of hateful Christians toting signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" Every Christmas you (or at least I do) see news stories about atheists demanding to put up their Christmas displays. I have no problem with that with the exception that they tend to have anti-Christian messages. As a non-Christmas related example, take a look at one of those "coexist" bumper stickers. There's a website on the sticker. Check out the website and you find a boatload of stuff with anti-Christian messages promoted by atheists. Kind of flies in the face of the "coexist" message if you ask me. Westboro Baptist Church; Funny that you group them as Christians. Most Christians don't. It's been discussed many times around here. My point is that tax dollars will go to things you don't support or believe in, regardless of who you are. Personally, I don't want my tax dollars being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. I rather that money be invested in the space program and public education. There's a difference with taxes paying for things that you disagree with and taxes paying for things that go against ones religious principles. It's one of those quirky Constitutional things. One form of hiding bigotry behind religion is bad but the other is ok? I do agree that using false beliefs is wrong, but I still feel the bigotry is wrong under actual beliefs. Is homosexuality wrong because you say it is wrong, or because someone reading an old book told you it was wrong? There is a difference between bigotry and adhering to moral values. Is it bigotry to condemn rape? Child molestation? Murder? Stealing? I guess it must only be bigotry when the act in question is not prohibited by law. Of course many states are taking care of that on the gay marriage issue. Just a small snippet, I can easily source you a lot of intolerance of others, regardless of what religion or lack thereof that they follow. Did you really just try to make a point about religious people with snips from a non-religious internet blog?  You underestimate the numbers of people, religious or not, who are fine with homosexuality. The majority of those under 30 have no issue with it at all either, I personally feel this will for the most part be non issue in 50 years, similar to equality for blacks was 50 years ago vs today. Or you could be underestimating the wisdom that comes with age. Most young folks do that. Sounds to me that religion is trying to oppress others, regardless if you call it a right or not. In what way are they being oppressed? They are free to live their lives as they see fit, up to the point of taking tax dollars from those who have religious objections to what is being funded by the state. It's not much different from the issue of forcing religious institutions to provide insurance that covers abortions. At that point it is YOU who is oppressing other peoples religious beliefs. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"Still it feels overdue for a New New Testament to bring things into modern times" I am going to hell anyway, I want to make sure i get my dance card punched by all the sects and cults | ||
| Buellinmke |
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| Reepicheep |
Just to be clear, we Christians have a term for the Westboro Baptists... We call them F&^%^&G A$$&^&*S. Just like everyone else does. | ||
| Sifo |
This of course is a gross misrepresentation. Who do think people of faith are hating without meeting. Given the discussion, I have to assume you mean gays and lesbians. This is patently untrue. It is possible to disagree with a persons moral choices and still hold no ill will against them. That's as irrational as hating someone because they ride a brand of motorcycle that you wouldn't' choose. What am I to think of a person who displays this message as truth? | ||
| Moxnix |
Probably the same thing I'm thinking. I "love" my fellow Christians of the same sex, but I don't want to commit oral or anal copulation with them. By the way, Christ taught us to love our enemies. I'm sure I have many, as seen by the hostile response to responsible Christians on threads like this. | ||
| Sifo |
My question is about the thinking of the poster of that question. If he really believes others think that way then it stands to reason that is the way things work in his mind. The only other explanation is that he is purposefully being deceitful, in which case, it's clear that he has lost the argument. I'm waiting to hear from the poster to explain himself though. | ||
| Buellinmke |
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| Blake |
Sin is behavior in violation of G-d's will. Belief is mere personal opinion, ideas, thoughts. Hating ideas and thought? Fascists and communists everywhere approve. | ||
| Blake |
>>> You underestimate the numbers of people, religious or not, who are fine with homosexuality. The majority of those under 30 have no issue with it at all either, I personally feel this will for the most part be non issue in 50 years, similar to equality for blacks was 50 years ago vs today. Cause anal sodomy and an 8,000% greater likelihood of contracting HIV/AIDS is just silly to consider. You've been misled. Thank a horribly corrupt media. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Its funny to me when white folks relate the civil rights movement to gay rights. Keep running with that. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
which brings us back to the Health Care bill - they are touting the Health Care Coverage (and its extension illegals....opps borderly challenged wanderers of a northernly direction with extended duration of transgressions ) as covered by it ... and to deny, revoke, repeal the bill is a 'violation' of civil rights. (this started under HIPAA, that if a patients information was compromised during the course of treatment or enrollment, that they could sue for violation of civil rights .... what has been driving up the cost of care in the last 15 years ?!?! start with the escalating number of these law suits) | ||
| Alfau |
Believe what you will, You can't change the Bible. 1co 6:9-11 Col 3:5-10 Titus 3:3 (Message edited by alfau on May 19, 2012) | ||
| Aesquire |
Believe what you will you can't change Shakespeare. Ok, that's sarcastic. They change Shakespeare all the time. I actually enjoyed "Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet", set in a "Miami Vice" Verona Beach with low riders and shootouts in gas stations. But, it at least retained the original language, which is the true power of the play. ( While West Side Story & most Bollywood just take the plot outline... I admit R & J is not my fav, being a tale of idiot, lust struck adolescents. ( that they are idiots is the point of the play....not that "love conquers all" ) The Bible too has been changed. I never bought into the idea ( I'm sure someone here can find the passage ) that the Bible is kept pure in thought and word by divine intervention through 6 thousand years and translation through multiple languages. I'm sure it's retained it's meaning better than pumping it through Babelfish, but perfection in human endeavors is a fleeting thing. Take Exodus 22:18, I am told, ( but do not speak Greek ) that the proper translation would be "poisoner" not "witch". As I understand the law, executing a poisoner makes sense to me. A cowardly, vile creature I want nowhere near me or mine. http://bible.cc/exodus/22-18.htm If I'm wrong about the mistranslation, let me know, please. Or Exodus 22:16 & 17. I do not dispute the translation, but the cultural context, while valid in some cultures not at all far removed from having the leaders order the foreskins of their enemies brought as bride price, has little application in modern America. Perhaps it would be better if we returned to Women being the Property of her Father and Husband? I mean, I'm all fine with executing poisoners. I'm rather less fine with the burning of young women whose only crime is to fail to "kneel before" the local priest and "worship him as a man is due", which is ( most probably ) the reason for early American Witch Trials. Should we return to Salem? How many have been murdered by evil power hungry clerics? How many have been burned, alive by ignorant villagers? How often has a case of dyslexia, or ADD, resulted in the hideous death of bright young girls? You don't want to have sex with someone? Don't. You don't like certain sexual practices? Don't do them. ( there are certainly some I won't ) In any event. The Presidents successful attempt to suck money out of rich celebs and nail down the "gay vote" has been amusing and infuriating. He has not, in any way, materially improved the legal situation. If he REALLY gave a damn for people his early religious upbringing taught him to loathe ( countered, perhaps by hippie Mom's teaching... ) He would have pushed, publicly, for adoption of a Civil union law, and not claimed the moral high ground, and then walked away, laughing and counting the cash. | ||
| Slaughter |
The Bible has never been changed? From the Hebrew? The Coptic? The Latin? The Greek? The Aramaic? At least god obviously favors the English speakers because that is the language in which the bible is written though according to some, King James is a heretic. | ||
| Blake |
Joe, Loving someone is not the issue. Anal sodomy, men gratifying perverse sex desire through another's fecal canal as if it were a woman's reproductive tract, that is the issue. Equating fecal canal, where noxious waste and bacteria are expelled, to birth canal, where procreation occurs and human life is conceived and ushered into the world, that is the issue. Genuine unselfish love is always good and abides in G-d's will. Fecal canal sodomy is not love. It is a filthy disease prone act contrary to nature and an abomination contrary to G-d's will. | ||
| Britchri10 |
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| Slaughter |
Hoooo kaaay For the sake of argument let' just say that JHVH is infinitely powerful and all knowing. Does leaving vowels out somehow make our relationship stronger - or is this just a fetish like ritual scarring? | ||
| Aesquire |
Slaughter it's a sign of respect. So is always wearing a hat so that the top of your head does not offend G-d. Or not wearing a hat because the that will offend. Or not wearing white shoes after labor day. (Learned that one in a Great movie with Kathleen Tuner... "Serial Mom" ) It's cultural. Different Strokes. Seriously... the reason for euphemisms for the Almighty is simple. We insignificant mortals could not stand up to the sheer immensity of G-d. ( see movie "Dogma" ) Our understanding of Her Will is only a vague sliver of reality. ( If you think otherwise, then you probably also believe that scientists can predict the planetary average temperature a century from now within a hundredth of a degree, with computer models that cannot predict last year. ) With such limited and paltry understanding of the real universe, it makes sense to not claim to be on a first name basis with the Creator. ( though many do....then ask YOU for money to do "His Work" ) In some faiths it is a sin to speak the name aloud or write it down. Judaism, for one has a humbler approach to the issue than most TV evangelists. In Islam, pictorial representation of The Prophet is forbidden. ( see the many murdered over some cartoons in a different country months before the evil leaders used those cartoons to cement their control over the mob that is a "submissive" culture ) Personally I do not care if you speak the names of the various Gods. It is impolite to take their names in vain. Some people are greatly offended, and at certain times in certain places that can get you killed. By the buttocks of Baal religion can be confusing. ( apologies to the worshipers of Baal. Just making a point. ) (Message edited by aesquire on May 20, 2012) | ||
| Blake |
St-ve, It's intended to convey reverence and respect. Chris, Scripture says that left-handedness is evil? By your logic, is any behavior okay so long as one claims to have been so compelled since childhood? Further, experiencing sexual attraction towards one's same gender is not the issue, nor may it be sinful. Entertaining the compulsion and acting upon it is where the sinfullness manifests. Again, equating fecal canal sodomy to the natural procreative act which consummates a marriage is nothing but a lie, potentially a very harmful one. See HIV/AIDS. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Matthew: 25: 31-34, 41. I don't claim to be left handed from birth. I am left handed from birth. (Message edited by britchri10 on May 20, 2012) | ||
| Alfau |
Left,left,Left right left, my mummer used to love me but she left.. According to your logic the army hates mothers. Left handed logic is very real.. | ||
| Blake |
LOL That's quite a stretch there Chris. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Personally, I find it all a little sinister! (Nice to see your sense of humor is still in evidence.) | ||
| Kenm123t |
Sinister means left or left handed lol |
