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     Sifo |
Yesterday I noticed a number of Blackhawk helicopters cruising around the skys of Chicago's western burbs. This morning at work, I found out I wasn't the only one that took notice. Lot's of people were talking about them. No doubt this is connected with the NATO meeting going on this weekend in Chicago. Now I see this up on Drudge... So since when it the military used to police civilians in the US? I don't recall martial law being declared. I know Cityxslicker won't be surprised. I'm sure others won't care. It dose seem like a miss-use of the armed forces though. Am I missing something? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
training? it does beg the questions you've asked though... | ||
| Prowler |
"So since when it the military used to police civilians in the US?" Who the heck is making the assumption that they're "policing" civilians? It's probably a training run. So the Air Force is not allowed to train in the USA anymore??? A little paranoid, I think. A B2 flew over our house a while back, I should have assumed thay were making a bombing run. (Message edited by prowler on May 17, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
This isn't an area where you normally see them training. In fact it's extremely unusual to seem Blackhawks over our burbs. They were all over yesterday, plus the drone video a few miles NE of here. No doubt it's a total coincidence with the huge security going on downtown and telling business to shut down if possible, and advising workers to try to dress to blend with protestors. Nope, nothing unusual going on here. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me. | ||
| Reducati |
they are here for assistance, if needed, with the unemployed, misguided, dope smoking protesters...dont ask me how i know  | ||
| Sifo |
I just watched the video in this story... http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Fencing-McCor mick-Place-NATO-151681085.html?dr Suddenly I know what was on the semi I saw yesterday who seemed quite lost. Only reason I remember it was that he driving like a real PITA unsure where to go. I happened to take note of his load wondering what it was. It looked exactly like the pallets of steel fencing in the video. Looks to be a great weekend for a ride this weekend. I know what area I WONT be riding to! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
surveillance drones... with out rigger pods that seem to be armed and configured. http://www.salon.com/2012/05/17/conservatives_turn _on_drones/singleton/ Be of good cheer Komrade, they are there for your 'safety' | ||
| Glitch |
http://rt.com/usa/news/judge-napolitano-drone-gove rnment-430/ | ||
| Sifo |
One of the kids playing soccer in the drone video did look very suspicious! | ||
| Boltrider |
Shortly after Anwar Al Alwaki was killed, I think it was Aesquire who questioned, somewhat in jest if I interpreted it right, if we would be okay with drones flying over the mainland. Well, here ya go folks - they're here and more will surely be coming to a city near you. It's for surveillance, of course (nudge nudge, wink wink). The government would never think of weaponizing such things over US soil (*cough* *cough*). | ||
| Sifo |
Drones are bad enough, but it was my understanding that the FAA hadn't given the OK for civilian use of drones yet. That would make them military drones which have no business buzzing over US cities during a time of peace. That isn't to say that I would be a big fan of civilian forces using drones as a normal means of surveilling the population either. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
when did we change to being at peace? | ||
| Sifo |
when did we change to being at peace? April 23, 2012 | ||
| Boltrider |
Who will be the first on US soil to get "droned"? A would-be terrorist? An occupier? A soccer mom with a Mitt Romney bumper sticker? Okay, now I'm being facetious. Am I? (Message edited by boltrider on May 17, 2012) | ||
| Nukeblue |
i bet they're lookin out for radicals. better take down my ron paul sign! lol | ||
| Slaughter |
OK so the military can now only conduct training over international air/sea space? What has Badweb discovered? Personally, I'd rather see our Military completely disbanded except the National Guard. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
you will notice appropriately that they will not be deployed and armed along the southern border to deter illegal immigration. it is really all you need to know about them. And to get around the 'military' usage paranoia - they will sublet the assets out to LEO forces for 'crime prevention'.... exactly how WA State Patrol has at its disposal 3 OV-10 Broncos and countless -60 'Hawk' platforms (Black Hawk & and NAS Navy SeaHawk) and watch that video carefully, that drone be armed. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Also the Army has a base down at Midway my friend flies Chinooks and Blackhawks out of there daily. BTW Midway is about 30 miles from Sifo | ||
| Drkside79 |
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| Jramsey |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
I thought I read an article a week or two ago that said there would be "special forces" units operating in Chicago for the NATO summit. As far as drones are concerned, recent news reports confirm they are already flying over our skies assisting law enforcement. I know in the D.C. area they have been flying for awhile - I assume to watch for suspicious activity linked to terrorism. It's all waaay past out of control as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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| Moxnix |
Bless the alternative press. http://www.infowars.com/spy-drone-almost-causes-mi d-air-collision-with-jet-over-denver/ Homeland Insecurity will get us one way or the other... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The FAA telling Homeland how to fly the drones.... It is the difference between a wolf and a coyote in the hen house; which do you prefer ? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/7/com ing-to-a-sky-near-you/?page=all get used to them Komrade - Stalin would have loved these little toys. | ||
| Sifo |
Also the Army has a base down at Midway my friend flies Chinooks and Blackhawks out of there daily. BTW Midway is about 30 miles from Sifo I'm not claiming to not be paranoid, but they were talking about at work in the break room when I walked in. I'm obviously not the only one that took notice. Also that is the wrong way to prepare a cat for grilling. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Foil hats all around; http://gizmodo.com/5622500/navy-lost-control-of-dr one-over-dc-due-to-software-issue ps, the new external out riggers on that helo are now able to be armed with hellfires - gawd bless Janes. | ||
| Sifo |
I would like to know what are the capabilities of the drones being flown in the US. I do know they have potential capabilities that far exceed the bounds of the constitution, even ignoring the glaring issue of using military hardware to watch the civilian population. I'm sure that those in power would never dream of doing anything that would be beyond the bounds of the law.  | ||
| Sifo |
Just another normal day around Chicago...
Nothing unusual at all. | ||
| Just_fred |
You may be jumping to some conclusions. A few points to consider 1. DOD isn't the only agency that operates the Blackhawk platform in the US. DHS, CBP, USCG 2. Current legislation prohibits DOD from enforcing civilian laws (Posse Comitatus) but there are legal exceptions. Remember National Guard troops at airports and nuke plants after 9-11? 3. Theoretically, a DOD owned and DOD piloted aircraft could carry other federal, state, etc law enforcement officers 4. Surveillance is not law enforcement 5. Remotely piloted aircraft (RPA) misnomered drones already legally conduct surveillance in portions of the US. And not all RPAs are operated by DOD 6. Just because an RPA is configured to carry weapons doesn't mean the tubes are full or the arms are live there's more, but this ought to give you something to chew on for awhile | ||
| Just_fred |
by the way, cityslicker, are you still wondering why a FEMA (DHS) Watch Officer needs a TS clearance? I'd wager they knew about the blackhawks and the RPA coming a long time ago |
