| Author | Message | ||
     Froggy |
Kind of like when the town puts up a Christmas tree every year? That goes against my beliefs, why should my tax dollars be used for that.
Look at that from the other side of the coin. How do you think gays feel when they see nothing but heterosexual stuff? You go to a movie, odds are extremely likely the love interest is hetero. Or from the point of view from an atheist, during December you can't turn on the TV, listen to the radio, go to the mall, or pretty much anything else without being bombarded by religious crap. | ||
| Buellinmke |
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| Drkside79 |
Looks like the same picture to me | ||
| Sifo |
Kind of like when the town puts up a Christmas tree every year? That goes against my beliefs, why should my tax dollars be used for that. A Christmas tree isn't a religious symbol, and Christmas has been quite completely secularized and commercialized. Do you not give or receive Christmas gifts? Even so you are trying to justify wrong behavior with other behavior you say is wrong. Follow that kind of logic to it's conclusion and what do you get? Look at that from the other side of the coin. How do you think gays feel when they see nothing but heterosexual stuff? You go to a movie, odds are extremely likely the love interest is hetero. Have you seen TV lately. The gay population is way over represented. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
funny pics  | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Looks like the same picture to me | ||
| Kenm123t |
Froggy didnt you say pony people were tolerant? | ||
| Sifo |
I fail to see the point of the pictures.   | ||
| Aesquire |
...forcing people to financially support a behavior that goes against their religious beliefs Well, I'm usually against forcing people to pay for stuff against their religious beliefs. There are exceptions, like when you pay taxes, your only say in the matter is your vote for the guy who will vote for a budget. ( or lack therof, the last 3 years ) So yeah, you may not like the nativity scene in the town square, and if it goes against your faith to have THAT particular display, too bad. Some of your tax dollars went to that, feel free to go to prison with your desire not to have a nativity scene. If you object to any sign that another religion exist, well, suck it up. Intolerant people get no traction with my heart. I'll defend to their death your right to worship as you see fit. I may sympathize with your being upset that a religious display takes your tax dollars. I ask you be sympathetic when some other thing politicians spend our tax dollars on upsets me. I don't see how 2 lesbians paying for a marriage license cost me any tax money? Is the system that badly run that the fee is far less than the cost of the bureaucrats? ( could be, then the problem isn't gay marriage, it's the morons running the Bureaucracy ) I am solidly against the current suppression of religious rights in the Catholic org/certain birth control demands in Obamacare. I don't agree with the Catholics on their stand on Birth control, but I don't see how the gov gets off demanding certain things. Would you support a government program that insisted that Muslim Charities buy bacon? Still, that doesn't change the question, HOW are carol and alice getting hitched costing you money? Insurance? Are the gays demanding you pay them back for the money they gave Obama, after Biden supported gay marriage? ( years after Cheney did ) | ||
| Buellathebuzzer |
City: I want to take your little story of Bruce and Steve differently. 1) Bruce to Steve, eying Jim. "I'd so do that." Jim over hears, and is offended, that is sexual harassment (plenty of case law to uphold that). 2) Bruce to Steve, eying Jane. "I'd so do that." Jane overhears and is flattered and thinks Bruce is nice and cute. They get married and live happily ever after. Don't generalize sexual harassment. It's the unwanted advance and it is gender non-specific. On the subject of religion. Right now a handful of states (6) have passed laws allowing same sex marriage. A whole bunch of states (28) have passed constitutional amendments forbidding same sex marriage. No where does any law require any denomination to perform any marriage that the denomination doesn't want to. It's a non-issue. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, the top picture is of a well financed leftist group that includes would be mass murdering bomb planters and anarchist window smashers. ( you may also say, useful idiots ) The lower picture is a well liquored group of sexual deviants that many wish wouldn't be so pushy. ( you may also say, "Don't scare the Horses!" ) ( I also get your point....  ) | ||
| Froggy |
What about lit up crosses, and Menorahs?
No Christmas gifts here.
Not sure what you are getting at, I wasn't trying to justify anything, just pointing out that what you claim to be against already exists in a form you might support.
Just Game of Thrones, and yes there is one gay couple out of the dozens of characters. Surprising lack of blacks and other minorities though. Edit: Forgot about My Little Pony, there have been episodes about love and marriage, no gays. We joke about one of the mane characters being gay, but it isn't canon. (Message edited by froggy on May 16, 2012) | ||
| Strokizator |
No Christmas gifts here. - Froggy Sweet! Then I won't feel bad for taking your $100 at the end of December. Unlike the rest of us, you should have plenty of cash on hand. | ||
| Buellinmke |
The point of the pictures is that religion was used as a reason against interracial marriage. Fortunately, the Supreme Court ruled anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional in 1967. Until 1967, many of the states that currently ban homosexual marriage also banned interracial marriage. These people hid their racism behind religion then just as they are hiding their bigotry behind religion now. | ||
| Sifo |
I don't see how 2 lesbians paying for a marriage license cost me any tax money? Well a couple of big issues according to those pushing for gay marriage is the transferability of SS benefits and family insurance benefits. There's no doubt that SS benefits is public funds taken forcibly. The insurance aspect is less clear cut, but the current administration is doing all it can to kill off private insurance and create a single payer government run system that would then be clear cut. Sifo, the top picture is of a well financed leftist group that includes would be mass murdering bomb planters and anarchist window smashers. ( you may also say, useful idiots ) The lower picture is a well liquored group of sexual deviants that many wish wouldn't be so pushy. ( you may also say, "Don't scare the Horses!" ) So... Now I'm not sure if you are talking about the first pair of pics or the ones I posted.  What about lit up crosses, and Menorahs? I never hear of cities paying for these displays. They merely provide space for a variety of displays for those groups that jump through the hoops put put up a display... Atheists included, who BTW seem to be bent on hateful displays for some reason. No Christmas gifts here. Good for you. I've talked my direct family into the same agreement, probably for different reasons I suspect. Not sure what you are getting at, I wasn't trying to justify anything, just pointing out that what you claim to be against already exists in a form you might support. If you aren't trying to justify anything then I completely miss your point. I'm also not clear that any tax dollars actually go into the example you give. Even if tax dollars are going into a holiday display it is almost certainly a multi-religion display. It seems this is getting off topic though and not adding anything to the topic at hand, unless you can explain where you are going with it. | ||
| Sifo |
These people hid their racism behind religion then just as they are hiding their bigotry behind religion now. Fair point I guess. I don't know of scriptures that would prohibit inter-racial marriages. There is little doubt that scripture does speak against homosexual acts however. There's a difference between hiding bigotry behind false religious beliefs and actual religious beliefs. | ||
| Buellathebuzzer |
The bible prohibits a lot of things that we do today including prohibiting a man from sleeping with his wife while she's menstruating. When was the last time one of you married guys left the bedroom during your wife's period? When was the last time a christian turned down the shrimp cocktail because it's an abomination? I know, let's pick one and single it out over the rest. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
nope, sexual harrassment can be filed and acted upon if ANYBODY is 'offended' Little Debbie Sue walking down the hall over hears it, goes to HR. You get fired for one, You get a nice rainbow colored sticker for your cubicle for the other. worked in too many insurance offices, for too many different companies to know that it is all about who gets the EEO complaint - and yes, same words from short, fat, and balding is harassment; while those words from tall, dark and handsome are flattering. (it is why I don't play well in groups - I have too much introspection for the cr@p y'all dish on each other in the name of 'equality' ) Just waiting for the entitlement Olympics Does Gay Male trump Black Male or White Woman in EEOC rating practices ?..... sexual orientation will be showing up on job applications soon, right under 'ethnicity' you know, to be sure we have the 'right' mix. All animals are equal - some more equal than others. | ||
| Slaughter |
The NBA discriminates against Jews. How many Jewish starters are there that you can name? See? | ||
| Hootowl |
"When was the last time a christian turned down the shrimp cocktail because it's an abomination?" Christians, by definition, follow the New Testament. Christ said (I'm paraphrasing) "it isn't what goes into your mouth that makes you evil, it is what comes out". That means shrimp and bacon are back on the menu. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
So where in the new testament is homosexuality spoken of? | ||
| Sifo |
The bible prohibits a lot of things that we do today including prohibiting a man from sleeping with his wife while she's menstruating. When was the last time one of you married guys left the bedroom during your wife's period? When was the last time a christian turned down the shrimp cocktail because it's an abomination? I know, let's pick one and single it out over the rest. When you have to resort to lies and distortions, you have lost the argument. These points have been discussed numerous times in various religious threads. If you are really interested in Christian beliefs (or the beliefs of any religion) you might do better to peruse literature that is written by the believers of that faith, not what has been written by those looking to cast doubts on the faith (usually atheists for some reason, they don't seem terribly tolerant of differing faiths from what I can tell). | ||
| Sifo |
So where in the new testament is homosexuality spoken of? Romans 1:26-27 That really takes us off topic though. The question here is about beliefs, not what is in the Bible, though in this case clearly Christian beliefs are in line with the New Testament. I might also point out that Christianity isn't the only religion that would be Constitutionally abused by this law. I know for certain that Muslims condemn homosexuality, as well as I'm pretty certain that Judaism does. This certainly isn't a comprehensive list, but it still covers a very large portion of our population that will have their beliefs infringed upon to satisfy providing benefits for a very few. This seems like a very poor trade off when you consider that freedom from religious oppression was one of the reasons that Europeans ••••••• (seriously, f-l-o-c-k-e-d get flagged?) to the new world in the first place, and the founders gave protections to religious beliefs as the very first amendment to the Constitution. The comparison of the belief that homosexuality is wrong to what was claimed by a few, that a belief about interracial marriages being wrong is pretty laughable. The stance on homosexuality by a variety of religions goes back long before the Constitution was ever penned. The same can not be said about the interracial marriage issue. People who engaged in that argument are being just as deceitful as those who use a shellfish argument about Christian beliefs. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Isn't freedom from religious oppression when we ask that rights not be denied to gays over religious convictions? It seems that your point shatters your thoughts on the matter or at least should. Or should only the beliefs of the masses be considered? | ||
| Sifo |
Isn't freedom from religious oppression when we ask that rights not be denied to gays over religious convictions? It seems that your point shatters your thoughts on the matter or at least should. Or should only the beliefs of the masses be considered? What "rights" have been denied? Under the gay marriage plan you are talking about confiscating wealth to give to others for engaging in an activity that many find to be against long held religious beliefs. If that isn't religious oppression, I'm not sure what would qualify. BTW, marriage is not a "right". Thought I would point that out before you give that as your answer. | ||
| Kenm123t |
As spoiled child isnt being oppressed when he is not getting his way during a tantrum. The issue is lgbtrs and libprog demons are finding reason and accountablity too much to deal with. They lack reason and accountability in personal actions They just play semantic word games and attribute thier self hate to others | ||
| Froggy |
I honestly don't know off hand who pays for them in my town, but they obviously don't put themselves up, so I'll have to check into it. No clue what you are talking about with hateful displays, but I have seen plenty of hateful Christians toting signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS"
I tend to be generous and gift giving to everyone year round, I don't see the point in having to buy everyone gifts because of a religious holiday.
My point is that tax dollars will go to things you don't support or believe in, regardless of who you are. Personally, I don't want my tax dollars being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. I rather that money be invested in the space program and public education.
Yea looks like with the production cuts that I am gonna lose the bet, oh well. Maybe I'll win another one next year.
One form of hiding bigotry behind religion is bad but the other is ok? I do agree that using false beliefs is wrong, but I still feel the bigotry is wrong under actual beliefs. Is homosexuality wrong because you say it is wrong, or because someone reading an old book told you it was wrong?
So they can pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow?
You misspelled Christians, Muslims, and Jews.  Just a small snippet, I can easily source you a lot of intolerance of others, regardless of what religion or lack thereof that they follow.
You underestimate the numbers of people, religious or not, who are fine with homosexuality. The majority of those under 30 have no issue with it at all either, I personally feel this will for the most part be non issue in 50 years, similar to equality for blacks was 50 years ago vs today.
Sounds to me that religion is trying to oppress others, regardless if you call it a right or not. (I thought Blake fixed the filter, there was a list of words that start with F that were accidentally blocked. "Frederick" was one of them)
Ken, it is the conservatives that are the demons without reason and accountability. There is no reason for this to even be an issue, but religious conservatives are. As for self hate, I don't know of any gays who hate themselves other than those who have been oppressed by "having the gay beaten out of them" or sent through religious therapy classes in order to straighten them out. | ||
| Brumbear |
I vote NO and thats that. And if your gay and get married I wouldn't recommend becoming my neighbor either apart from that I simply fail to see how any of it matters. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
I miss my gay neighbors. I used to have gay neighbors on either side; in one house was a single guy and the other was an interracial couple. The new people don't keep their places nearly as nice. They're ok neighbors but they let most of the flower beds die and the grass is starting turn brown in one yard. | ||
| Drkside79 |
I too had gay neighbors one was a doctor the other a retired Marine. Nice guys the doctor may have been one of the best BBQ gurus I've ever seen. Oh and i doubt either would be scared to live next to Brumbear. In fact i would have paid to see someone have the balls to use a slur on Greg. He was about 6'2 235 and built like a tank. |
