| Author | Message | ||
     Strokizator |
Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. (Message edited by strokizator on April 25, 2012) (Message edited by Blake on April 27, 2012) | ||
| Buellerandy |
Passed that one on! Good find. Especially the last phrase. | ||
| Blake |
Excellent. Thanks for posting that John! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
If I wanted America to Fail.... I would make a Legislation so laden with rules regulations, fines, penalties and taxes that you would have to pass it to find out what is in it. I would create a New Military Force in the name of 'Health' & 'Safety' that is armed, not respondent to the Constitution, the State Governors, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nor Senate Oversight. I would empower and embolden the IRS to monitor, lien, fine, and seize assets, have access to accounts, property, investments, savings, inheritence and means of wealth to the purpose of gaining payment in full for services rendered before death - because they should no longer be satisfied with a 50% Death Tax I would force Americans to pay for products that they don't want, that don't perform, that do not protect, do not provide, do not improve - but I would put a happy Hopey Changey idiom to it in great benevolance and anyone that attacks it - must suredly be a racist, or crazy conspiracy theorist. I would carve out special deals for unions, cronies, illegals and criminals - I would elevate them above the rights and responsibilities of citizens. I would conscript every man, woman, and child that is American into a life long trail of slavery where every movement is recorded, every financial decision rendered tied to a virtual number , I would make credit directly tied to 'health' - I would advocate the implantation of chips for 'information, safety, payment, coordination' as beneficial, forward thinking, the wave of the future... and I would tie it to their ability to earn credits - because I will kill the dollar. I will kill the economy - because medical / health care is 1/6 of the economy.... and benefits, retirement, social programs, social health agenda entities are are 1/3 of it and exceed past defense - I would base the new 'exchanges' on the same faulty logic that the housing toxic assets were rebundled and resold under.... and then I would call the bid - push the fail - and it would I would make travel to other countries for care difficult, propagandize it as all third world rate quality... and yet hold their cost dynamic up as a model that we should use. I would pay doctors less - I would force them to accept patients based on volume, grade them on a 'score card' of 'quality' and really define neither - and those that are politically active against the reform, will leave the market, or will have their license suspended. Doctors will be told where they can open facilities and what services they are to provide. I will empower a new agency to audit, fine, tax and close independent hospitals, clinics, and community practices that are not aligned with the new models of 'care' I would require a forced program of vaccinations, regulate medical devices, determine administratively which prescriptions are available, or reimbursed, or brought to market. I would in the name of public safety, implement plans for 'secure havens' for crisis of health to amass, collate, tabulate and relegate the population to 'aid' stations or camp facilities I would have a black budget for these agencies, with no transparencies, no accountability, no checks and balances. And any portion of the bill that should be ruled 'Unconstitutional' shall keep the rest of the bill in force administartatively. I would grind America to a new miserable for loss of profit, loss of innovation, loss of security and health - that a revolution that promises to be the salvation from the very mess I created seems like a great idea - and while we are at it - I wlll wealth the new enemy of the state - executions for those that do not toe the line, are just over the horizon. If I wanted America to fail - I would do EXACTLY what Lenin did to Russia in 1917-1923. Welcome to the Confederated Socialist Regions of the Continental American Komrade (because it is a global world, and indeed the illegals.... are 'American'.... because MEXICO is CENTRAL AMERICA..... ) If I wanted to destroy America - I would do everything that is in the PPACA 'Health Care Reform Bill' | ||
| Kilroy |
well that just about sums it all up | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
yes it does sum up what has/is happening now. the question is can we stop the momentum that was started 40+ years ago? | ||
| Two_seasons |
This has been going on for over 100 years in America. It has been on a rapid rise since the hippy-dippy years and now overwhelmingly controls public institutions. Even Teddy Roosevelt was a "progressive" like Mrs. Clinton claims she is. There are many who claim this moniker, even a couple BadWebbers. Progressives have made regulations and "fairness" their new religion. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Thanks for posting and thanks for the text cityslicker. | ||
| Ulyranger |
"......I wouldn't change a thing."  | ||
| Crusty |
That is not an "Inconvenient Truth". It's just another slanted opinion. | ||
| Aesquire |
All opinions are slanted. That style is one I've used. "if you were racist and hated blacks, wanted a 70% illegitimacy rate, dependency on the gov for food and shelter, few jobs, etc. etc., basically wanted them back on the plantation......... What would you have done different than Congress ( Democratic control for 40+ years, Jim Crow laws, Welfare state, Great Society, War on Poverty, War on Drugs, Child Support keeping males out of legit jobs, etc. etc. ) from WW2 until now?" - me It is not completely fair to the opposition to simply list all the bad things that happened directly because of their actions, and then impune a motive. It is however, often truth. In the case of my comment above, to nearly every law passed that had bad effect, there seems only one truthful response that does not admit to racist hatred and that's...."we did it for the best of intentions and it didn't turn out at all like we hoped, but we are too committed to the theory to ever freaking admit our failures and fix them" The real truth could be both/either one, OR perhaps there is another explanation involving Dr. Evil. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You are welcome to read the 2600 pages of the PPACA and show me where I am wrong. Don't forget the two years of policy, statutes, regulations and activity of the CMS/HHS/IRS/USPHS-R and of course FEMA/ICE/HSD | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I kept out killing the dollar - because that is just my own creeping paranoia that is not policy based, but routed entirely too much in what I have seen in the global market economies for the last century. We get Hyperinflation - Debt through the roof, they call the markers on the currency, collapse - they issue a new currency and make the old worthless, coutnerfiet, or criminal to hold. | ||
| Crusty |
Tell me; have you read the 2600 pages of the PPACA? And you're fully aware of the two years of policy, statutes, regulations and activity of the CMS/HHS/IRS/USPHS-R and of course FEMA/ICE/HSD? You sure must have a lot of time on your hands. And you must have a lot of skills in the political arena. What is it exactly that you do for a living? You sure do know exactly how the United States is degenerating into a place that's unfit to live in. Yet, you sing the praises of former Soviet Union members. There is more freedom and opportunity in the Ukraine, and the women there are far superior to the American women who deserve no respect. Yes, you take every opportunity to show us just how bad our government and leaders are. They're turning abandoned rail yards into Concentration Camps; complete with gas chambers. Of course, the Soviet Union never resorted to anything like that. Just read some of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's writings. I have yet to hear or read of any such camps in the US at any time in our history. I have never seen you type one good thing about the USA; it's always how we're on the road to hell and just how bad things are about to become. You keep promising to leave this country and go to that Idyllic Paradise that you wax lyrical about, (the last promised departure date I saw was last December) yet you're still here. Why? I think you're a Fifth Columnist. Not quite as prominent as Tokyo Rose or Lord Hawhaw, but definitely not a supporter of America. I think you trying to sow unrest and dissatisfaction to help bring us down. I also wonder how many other Forums you participate in. Do you go on Liberal Forums and point out how the Conservatives are turning this country into a Nazi controlled dictatorship? Do you play as many angles to denigrate the United States as you possibly can? If not, you might be missing a golden opportunity. Once again, all I see is the opinion of somebody with an agenda. I'm just wondering what that agenda is. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I agree with what you just said Crusty! It's sad isn't it? | ||
| Guell |
I dont agree with everything crusty has to say, but damn he hit the nail on the head on this one. I did enjoy the video though, just skipped over slickers rant. | ||
| Kenm123t |
The beginning of Cruelty is Kindness! Its why your told to never feed wild animals in refuges it impairs thier survival instincts! Demonrat proglibs elites have created a new slavery for minorities. Its mental slavery not a physical barrier By useing mental control walls are not needed when you control how the subject views the world. Progdemonrats libs are controlled by thier world view and they refuse any information that does not confirm the programming. Being the perfect mental prisoner they self police and try to force thier programming on others. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think the sadder commentary is that so many are so upset that these policies aren't going far enough fast enough. The only complaint is that more hasn't been done in the last 3 years. While the descriptions Slick offers are more extreme than many would like, on certain issues, he is probably one of the most educated and studied on the subject. I'll take his expertise on Obamacare, Soviet Russia, and Communism over most here. It's what he did/does for a living. | ||
| Aesquire |
Concentration camps? We've had them. Ask a Japanese-American about that. Mass forced sterilization too. Yep, here. The rise of the eugenics movement really got going here. ( that European country that made it unpopular after 1945 is not to be mentioned lest we go over the line, but they were inspired by US ) While the idea of improving humanity by discouraging stupid people from breeding and getting smart/athletic/pretty ones to mate is both valid and arguably desirable, the real world results show that a self appointed elite decide what they want. In every case I know of, they dislike the "lesser breeds" and in America that led to sterilization of the "unfit", "imbeciles", etc. Based on "race" lines the offspring of the Eugenics movement, ( Planned Parenthood, and btw thanks for the free condoms guys, it was appreciated. ) continue to push for the elimination from the gene pool of "certain elements", although I really doubt you will find that in the current mission statement. Check out the Founder of that org. No matter what the brochure of today says, I'm sure the spirit of PP's founder is delighted by the number and percentage of abortions done on a particular ethnic group. ( Several European countries ( mostly during occupation ) in the late '30's and 40's, killed off the handicapped, homosexuals, beggars, Jehovah's Witnesses, Trade unionists ( direct Communist competition for the the National Socialists ) vagrants, tinkers, gypsies, etc. etc. ) Oddly, both of the above examples come from the same ideological group. Progressives. I'm not a Conservative, so feel free to note any "Conservative" excesses that would lead to the gulag. The Progressive ideology absolutely builds concentration camps and imprisons it's own people. Between the Soviets and the Red Chinese, we will never know how many hundreds of millions have been murdered by their own government. Not in war, just domestic, organized, slave labor and mass murder. Toss in all the "wars of liberation" sponsored by just the 2 powers above, and I don't know what the death toll is. | ||
| Aesquire |
But, hey, I'm anti-progressive. I have hundreds of millions of reasons, as noted above. Note that the call against this ideology is not new. It is unfortunate that a competing leftist group from 1920 to 1945 also hated & fought the Communists, blurring the lines between what should be obvious differences in world view. I suggest the comparison between the French and American Revolutions and the immediate aftermath of both. These views are not new. ( I do not agree with all said in links below ) http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/10planks.htm | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ahh, Margaret Sanger. The great mother of Planned Parenthood, rockstar Progressive hero....... and AVID proponent of forced sterilizations. | ||
| Aesquire |
The argument for Eugenics is simple and compelling. Poor people, and "primitive cultures" breed more than rich people and technologically advanced ones. So... you get more poor people and immigrant cultures out breeding the people that made the country work in the first place. Disaster follows. It's a common pattern, note the Eurabia problem in Europe, with the lack of replacement in the "native" population. Once you have contraception, you probably start using it, since the development ( not handed to you by another ) of contraceptives pretty much matches an increase in wealth caused by technological advancement. Rich people are more concerned with getting on with their lives than producing offspring to take care of them in their old age. Poor folk have to spawn lots of offspring because of high mortality rates and the need to have someone support you as you age past usefulness..... So you can make a real good argument that the "native" Europeans should have more procreational sex, ( which always gets a snarky headline in US media ) or that the poor ( arguably not as smart a folk ) should have their reproduction decreased, either by sterilization or by encouraging abortion. And it all makes a sort of sense....until you get to actual implementation, where it always becomes based on the prejudices of the people in charge. The Liberation of the Camps in 1945 pretty much put the public discussion of Eugenics off limits and the people in Europe and America who were big public pushers for it no longer admit to being so. Margret Sanger did some fine work on womens liberation and the legalization of birth control that I applaud. ( I am a libber ) Between certain church's policies and a strong puritan attitude, back in the day women were much more property than now in America ( though still far more free than todays Sharia cultures ) You could be arrested for having a diaphram. ( You still can be arrested some places for buying a dildo. Don't think we are all that enlightened ) Apparently Sanger was very progressive in her views on race, Sanger believed that lighter-skinned races were superior to darker-skinned races, but would not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor any refusal to work within interracial projects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger That tradition of insisting on a surface appearance of support for certain ethnic groups, while actively seeking their destruction AND their support politically continues to this day. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Tell me; have you read the 2600 pages of the PPACA? And you're fully aware of the two years of policy, statutes, regulations and activity of the CMS/HHS/IRS/USPHS-R and of course FEMA/ICE/HSD? You sure must have a lot of time on your hands. And you must have a lot of skills in the political arena. What is it exactly that you do for a living? Before coming to motorcycles, I did ten years Health Care Claims, Medical Finance Audit, and Plan Policy advocacy. I worked for 12 different Insurance companies to maximize their profit, pad their pockets, and screw the system. I know exactly how it is done. I have spent the last two years (since the economy went to shi@t) Getting my Masters in Healthcare Finance, My Masters Thesis was on the PPACA, I have indeed read it in its entirety, several times. I have written twelve critical papers on it. And since graduating - my job is finding the fraud, doing analysis for security, payment and enrollment for the new Insurance Exchanges. It is a bad bill. If you 'like' this bill, you haven't read it, were paid off by it, have no concept of economics/history/insurance or the trifecta - all three. Russia is not the utopian paradise - anybody that has studied history would know it isn't. I however prefer a country that is walking away from the fire - rather than running the gas and revving the motor full speed into the inferno. How long was Mein Kampf published before Hitler launched his Chaos on the world ? Pity 'nobody' ever read it and saw it coming. Or you can continue to believe what the liberal media tells you is in the bill. don't forget - the very next week, they signed another 2500 page bill on securities, finance, credit, and banking... again without reading it. Why am I still here ? As of last week, waiting on the IRS for the second interview for the Health Economics Position in Moscow, Ru. It hits - I am gone. | ||
| Crusty |
Is there anything I can do to help speed you along? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Enjoy the Hope and Change. | ||
| Crusty |
How about if I just enjoy living in one of the greatest Countries in the world, while you continue to badmouth it and try to constantly bring up negatives? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
There is a difference in pointing out errant paths and decrying the nation as a whole. I don't for a second believe Slick to be anything other than a patriot. That said, I believe he has unique insight into our current political future that should be heeded. The question is whether one believes we are on a positive path or one that leads to less than positive outcomes. If you believe that we are currently on the right path and getting better all the time, you will naturally believe someone who believes we are on the wrong path is "badmouthing". | ||
| Crusty |
Let's go back to my original post. As I stated, he has never stated anything positive about the USA. I stand by that statement. I also recall that you were the other person who believed that a fenced off railroad yard was earmarked to be Gas Chambers to process the unwanted surplus population. Why do you believe that such nonsense is imminent? Who would the surplus population be? Illegal immigrants? Hell, they're the ones whose numerous votes will help the incumbents to stay in office, no? Maybe they'll "cleanse" the minorities? Ya, right. Or do you believe that they'll be looking to eliminate the upper class? I'm not sure what world you live in, but it sure looks like a paranoid and distrustful place. Back to our resident Fifth Columnist; He keeps stating that he's moving there, usually after a large amount of invective about the USAs failings and inadequacies. Why is he still here? He's been promising to leave for quite a while. Do you really believe his guff that he's waiting for the right job offer? I think he's already got a good job. Trying to undermine peoples trust in the American way of life. People have the right to bitch about the government, but his endless negativity towards anything American has raised my suspicions to a high level. I think he's a Mole. A Fifth Columnist who only wants to see America crumble. He makes no attempt to try to correct any perceived wrongs; he only amplifies how bad things in this country are. It would be amusing to see him do the kind of malicious commentary about Russia, if he ever really goes there, that he does about the USA. Maybe someday he could post about the glories of building villages in Siberia in the winter! Or the joys of laboring in a salt mine! In the meantime, his credibility is on a par with the credibility of North Korea's peaceful intentions. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I've not seen Slick utter a single word negative against this country. Not one. I have seen on several occasions Slick bring to light and discuss countless instances where the practices of our current government have and do mirror the practices of communist Russia. Like me, Slick is very suspicious of the current administration. I believe rightly so. Considering the jobs he has had in the military and the role he has played in various capacities, I tend to trust his viewpoint over those who seem to not see or seem not to want to see anything negative going on here. When Slick speaks fondly about Russia, it is the Russia that Russia is now and is becoming and doing so in comparison to the United States that we are now and are becoming. Slick doesn't WANT to move to Russia. He feels he SHOULD move to Russia. Economically, the opportunity appears better for his particular skill sets. That, and he believes that given our current course, politically, that really bad things may be coming our way. I hope his position is alarmist and unwarranted, but I can understand WHY he might do it. Now, as far as rail stations and gas chambers, what makes these impossible in this country. What would prevent these from ever being employed here? Answer that question with a backdrop of a Constitution that no longer limits governmental power as long as that government is acting in a manner deemed to "promote the general welfare". | ||
| Crusty |
Am I glad that I don't live in your world. |
