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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 10:44 am: | 
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I haven't shot an Enfield yet, but wondered about that. I was looking at a jungle carbine, and thinking, cool gun but I bet it hurts to shoot. Probably not super accurate either (even by battle rifle standards). |
Gunut75
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 11:12 am: |
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What Aesquire said.
I'd shoot it. Bring it up here to WI and we'll break it in right 'n' proper.  |
Doz
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 11:32 am: |
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Clean it
Lube it, THEN
Shoot it |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 11:51 am: |
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Reep, the 7.62 Sniper version was still in use in the 90s, not bad for a century old design. |
Jb2
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 01:33 pm: |
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My Grandpa was shown a knife one time by my uncle(his cousin). The knife was an old Double-X, still in the box, with papers and already many decades old in the '70s. Grandpa snickered and handed it back to him scoffing a little. Uncle Walter pipes up and questions "what the hell's wrong with the knife?" Grandpa looks at him and says it's a 50 year old knife with no history.
I had a Canadian Sesquicentennial 94/30-30 Carbine, still in the box and unfired. I took it to the range one day and shot it for the first time and the 100th time by the day's end. When I sold it the guy was tickled to pay market value(unfired condition) for the one I had enjoyed. Seems he had the exact rifle at home and didn't want to stain its virginity. He had bought new in 1966 and had deprived himself of ever enjoying it.
Reminds me of the guy with the ultimate garage three stories under the ground and filled full of unstarted or ridden anniversary Harleys. What is the purpose? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 02:07 pm: |
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Went to the range today and had them take a look at it. Still very happy with the wife's purchase, but not so happy that the gun will never get shot. 
I am curious what the recoil will be like. I would expect it to be less recoil than my .308, but that is a semi-auto so some energy is going into cycling the action.
Thanks for the warning about not using pointed bullets. I knew that already, but it never hurts to be reminded of very dangerous things.
Glitch, let me know when you are up this way, we can shoot lot's of things!
I'll have to get some ammo for it and defile it. I guess I'm going to learn to reload necked down casings now. So far I've only dealt with straight wall pistol rounds. Should be fun! |
Notpurples2
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 02:43 pm: |
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Killed my first deer with one of those.
It was the complete opposite of a "collector" gun. It was the go-to-gun; short, accurate, and good for anything from snakes and varments to deer, so it got tossed around, used, and abused quite a bit.
Wish I still had it, it was a really great rifle. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 02:55 pm: |
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 04:58 pm: |
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Necked isn't that much different. You have to be a lot more careful about lubing the cases, as they have a lot of surface in the die and will stick easily. I ripped a Lee press into two pieces once, and can't count how many stuck cartridges I have had to try and extract from dies (some after having their bottom ripped off). And if you use too much lube, they will create little craters in the neck.
Clean the brass REALLY well first, use the right amount of lube, and things generally go well.
I generally am much more careful about trimming cases for bottle neck cartridges as well. They are a lot more demanding on the brass, and do get longer as they get shot.
You will be amazed at how much powder you use also. I went from reloading .32 ACP (I don't know why I bother, but I do) to reloading .30/06. I laughed out loud when I saw the first throw drop the level in my powder measure compared to what I was used too.
The recoil isn't anything crazy... just sharper and over a smaller area then a bigger heavier battle rifle. It's like getting whacked with a ruler across your knuckles. It's not actually that bad, but you go a little insane waiting for it to happen. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 06:28 pm: |
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that was my first deer rifle I owned. Hunted with it just one year then sold it because I ended-up missing a huge 10 point buck walking across a corn field. You have to hold the lever up against the stock when firing and I failed to do so when I shot at that buck. I jerked the shot off and fired over the deer. I know it was all my fault but I just didn't feel comfortable with that gun after that. I ended up getting a Browning BAR which I loved
I wish I still had my Winchester 94 but I wouldn't ever take it hunting again. |
Ourdee
| | Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 11:48 pm: |
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I shoot mine. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 - 12:37 am: |
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Get a used rock tumbler on ebay and get tumbling media (corn cob) from a gun shop that sells reloading supplies (it won't have much abrasive media mixed in)
You need to tumble it to clean the brass and polish out any scratches.
Reloading isn't cheaper than boxed ammo but the accuracy can be better and your options are HUGE |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 - 01:16 am: |
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My hunting rifle is my grandfathers old .303 Enfield, sporterized to look like a normal hunting rifle instead of a people killin pre-WW1 relic.
The thing is an accident waiting to happen. Modern rifles have a safety that blocks the trigger...a .303 enfield has a separate trigger sear that pulls the bolt off the trigger sear, making the trigger floppy. When you take the safety off, it's SUPPOSED to put the bolt back onto the trigger sear. But if the gun isn't perfectly cleaned and lubed, taking the safety off sometimes releases the bolt right past the trigger sear and the gun fires...nice.
If you know about it, and follow the cardinal rule that you don't take the safety off unless you intended to pull the trigger anyway, it isn't too awfully bad. Luckily, I discovered it's shortcomings when it was unloaded in the living room instead of while precariously balanced up in a tree blind. Makes me wonder how many troops were killed by "friendly" fire accidental discharges in wartime.
It was also meant to fire full metal jacket rounds. Soft blunt point bullets often don't cleanly load out of the clip into the chamber.
It's a real POS....but I don't use it much, haven't fired it in years now. I bought a bunch of old surplus ammo a while back, one of these days I'll take is somewhere and see how many rounds actually fire instead of hanging... |
Rainman
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 08:48 am: |
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I have an 80s model 94 in .30-30 and I shoot the hell out of it. It's a great gun, doesn't kick much, is accurate as hell and makes a very satisfying loud BANG.
They're everywhere. Have fun with it. Some things are classic and some things are just old. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:09 pm: |
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I thought of this thread today when I opened the box of the Mosin Nagant M91/30 I just purchased. I did lots of research on them but when you order it on the internet and pick it up at Bud's you get what you get. I opened it up and the thing looks brand new, well, probably is. It is also the hex shaped receiver which as I understand is a bit rare. The bolt works great, the wood is in awesome shape and I thought man should I shoot this which was quickly replaced with a HECK YEAH. I'm working on getting cosmolene off right now, not much on it and should be shooting sometime next week. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 11:49 pm: |
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Great guns for the bang for the buck.
The bolt can sieze up if you shoot it a lot and get it really hot. If it does, either let it cool down, or kick the dang bolt shut or open with your boot heel. Gotta love those Russian guns.
Now go scare up a CZ-52... You will love it also (but buy an aftermarket firing pin for it, and don't dry fire it). |
Sifo
| | Posted on Monday, April 23, 2012 - 08:27 pm: |
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I ran some patches through the barrel and picked up some rounds to try it out. It's looking like a busy week, but I'm going to try to get it to the range soon. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 03:46 am: |
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Tom, where is the closest range at where you can shoot? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 06:34 am: |
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5-6 miles away in Lombard. It's only a 75 foot indoor range though. They just opened up about a year ago, after years of false starts.
I've got property near Traverse City, MI where I can freely shoot in ways that a range doesn't allow though. Hard to get there often enough though. |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 12:48 pm: |
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there is a range in Bristol Wisconsin, just over the state line but I don't like that place because you can only load one round at a time. I go to my friends place up by Wausau to shoot. No rules or restrictions. |
Closetbueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 01:42 am: |
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Nice find, I had one when I was 12, and it was a fine rifle, just hard to put on the hammer back to its center position with the trigger interlock under the lever. @reepicheep-The Enfield does put a bit of a whallop into your sholder, and I cant vouch for the #5[Jungle Carbine], but my #1 MkIII can do a tight grouping at 100 yds. The brass buttplate does limit me to about 30 rounds down range before i've had enough. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 10:45 am: |
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Here's a pic of my new to me Mosin Nagant made in 1932. Just got it all cleaned up and put the sling on. The sling had a few smears of cosmolene on it so a quick soak in hot water with some oxyclean did the trick.
And here's the business end. Overall the rifle is 48 1/2" and the bayonet is about 18 - 20"
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 11:01 am: |
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Awe inspiring (and awful at the same time) to think that the gun in your hands may have been carried by a very brave and very scared Russian through Lenningrad.
I love the history with the military surplus stuff, and you sure can't beat it for value.
That's a serious bayonet! |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 11:15 am: |
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I've thought about that many times. It doesn't look like it's been used, or used very little, but some ruskie pounded out the stamp marks and assembled this weapon some 80 years ago and it's got a story somewhere. It's interesting to read about the history of these weapons online, where they've been, which wars and which side they were used on. This one was made in Izhevsk and it's heavy, it just feels very solid in your hand and it just makes you wonder if anyone ever carried it into battle.
And at $115 out the door, you're right, you can't beat it. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 11:19 am: |
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Well, Reep, I just noticed you're in Lebanon Oh. You're not too far from me and I lived in Mason summer of '95 doing a co-op job at Kings Island. Worked parking lot security, boy the things that happened in the parking lot. Don't think the things you did in the Kings Island parking lot stayed in the parking lot because we saw you and told EVERYONE! Muahahahaha |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 - 12:05 pm: |
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LOL! I've heard stories from the security guys there before.
If you are close, check out Aim Surplus. www.aimsurplus.com. Not sure about buying from out of state, but they are a FFL. They will sell over the counter if you pre-order and show up at the right times, which is great for ammo (which can cost more to ship than to buy). |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 09:13 pm: |
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Got to the range and ran some lead through the Winchester this morning. I like it a lot! I was stringing my groups vertically a bit though. My eyesight isn't what it used to be and sighting the elevation precisely was tricky. That's a problem with the Indian, not the arrow though.
I can see that it's not a gun to shoot lots of rounds through in a day though. It's got a pretty solid recoil. I plan on mostly loading my own with unjacketed bullets, so they should soften the recoil some.
It seems to be a great shooter. The lever action is just a hoot! 
Reepicheep - Found any of that old brass yet? |
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