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     Fahren |
Yet another nail in the coffin of our once-free nation: an apt image: the lid coming down on our freedom, enclosing us in a police state. Spinoff thread from another, earlier thread, for discussion of the implications of this bill that would allow the IRS to act independently, just like the Executive has been doing recently in other circumstances, to act as judge, jury (and executioner), with no due process, no involvement of the judiciary at all to determine a citizen's guilt or innocence. Here's a good, quick read on the issue: http://gonzalolira.blogspot.fr/2012/04/you-are-free-to-travelif-irs-lets-you.html Link fixed (Message edited by Froggy on April 17, 2012) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
selling my soul Just saw that the IRS is hiring in Russia. If you want to know what the enemy is up to - read their mail  | ||
| Sifo |
Only somewhat related, but is it any wonder that wealth is fleeing the US? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/16/us-usa-c itizen-renounce-idUSBRE83F0UF20120416 Who is John Galt? | ||
| Fahren |
Who is John Carter? (JK :- ) (Message edited by fahren on April 17, 2012) | ||
| Boltrider |
Fahren, link isn't working for me. | ||
| Boltrider |
Maybe the IRS shut it down already.  | ||
| Buellkowski |
From the text of the bill: SEC. 40304. REVOCATION OR DENIAL OF PASSPORT IN CASE OF CERTAIN UNPAID TAXES. (a) In General- Subchapter D of chapter 75 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new section: ‘SEC. 7345. REVOCATION OR DENIAL OF PASSPORT IN CASE OF CERTAIN TAX DELINQUENCIES. ‘(a) In General- If the Secretary receives certification by the Commissioner of Internal Revenue that any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000, the Secretary shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport pursuant to section 4 of the Act entitled ‘An Act to regulate the issue and validity of passports, and for other purposes’, approved July 3, 1926 (22 U.S.C. 211a et seq.), commonly known as the ‘Passport Act of 1926’. ‘(b) Seriously Delinquent Tax Debt- For purposes of this section, the term ‘seriously delinquent tax debt’ means an outstanding debt under this title for which a notice of lien has been filed in public records pursuant to section 6323 or a notice of levy has been filed pursuant to section 6331, except that such term does not include-- ‘(1) a debt that is being paid in a timely manner pursuant to an agreement under section 6159 or 7122, and ‘(2) a debt with respect to which collection is suspended because a collection due process hearing under section 6330, or relief under subsection (b), (c), or (f) of section 6015, is requested or pending. So if you owe the IRS $50,000+ but are making timely payments, or if your case is in hearing or under administrative review, you get to keep your passport. | ||
| Tstevens |
I was wondering what Thomas Jefferson would think about senate bill 1813 with the attached amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports. Thomas Jefferson Said A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny! A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...they are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Experience has shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases. Governments constantly choose between telling lies and fighting wars, with the end result always being the same. One will always lead to the other. I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive. I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be. I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. In matters of style, swim with the current; In matters of principle, stand like a rock. My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. The purpose of government is to enable the people of a nation to live in safety and happiness. Government exists for the interests of the governed, not for the governors. The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object. There is not in the British empire a man who more cordially loves a union with Great Britain than I do. But by the God that made me, I will cease to exist before I yield to a connection on such terms as the British Parliament propose. Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. Upon the altar of God I pledge eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate. We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. One man with courage is a majority. Never put off for tomorrow, what you can do today. (yes,all the above are Thomas Jefferson quotes) After reading his quotes it is easy to see that Thomas Jefferson one of the authors of the Declaration of Independence would have opposed the attached amendment in senate 1813 giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports. This bill 1813 has already passed the senate, it is very important that you contact your representatives to oppose senate bill 1813 and request that the amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports removed. It is very easy to contact your representatives by email, here is the link. https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml Thomas Jefferson would not just complain, he would do everything possible to prevent bill 1813 and the attached amendment giving new power to the IRS to revoke and suspend passports from becoming law. | ||
| Fahren |
I see the gummint has been studying the idea for a while. Here's an interesting analysis of why the whole idea is stoopit, beyond being syptomatic of increased state control and oppression: http://nomadlaw.com/2011/04/government-investigati ng-whether-condition-passport-issuance-on-payment- of-taxes/ (Hope this link works - no idea why the Gonzalo Lira link in the OP doesn't... maybe I'll just post it directly, here, and try it again): http://gonzalolira.blogspot.fr/2012/04/you-are-fre e-to-travelif-irs-lets-you.html | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Looks like Houston metro bus riders will soon be getting random bag searches via tsa and Sheila Jackson lee. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323191#ixzz1 sUxzx7Kb | ||
| Geedee |
"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave" now seems inappropriate in your anthem. NATO & Co. bomb the Middle East for similar or less violations of freedoms. |
