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Johnnymceldoo
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 10:11 pm: | 
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I'd love to have a ps90 and sbr tax stampage! |
Fahren
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 10:24 pm: |
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How hard is it to learn to shoot righty, for a southpaw with a bad left eye? From what I remember, it never felt "right" when I tried... |
Kc10_fe
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 10:41 pm: |
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Picked up a Stag 8. So far so good. |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2012 - 11:07 pm: |
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A cost comparison at my local gun shop put the 5.7 ammo at the same price as the same amount of .223... I agree that the .223/5.56 is the better round, BUT I still like the 5.7 |
Darth_villar
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 01:41 am: |
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Thumper, I'm going to have to disagree with you that the .223 is a better round.
The 5.7 round is a personal defense round, short range, extremely low recoil, and smaller size (which equates to large magazine capacity). In these regards, the 5.7 blows the 5.56 away IMO.
You and me both Johnny, you and me both...
Fahren, no clue, as I have only shot southpaw when necessary around corners and using a red dot sight :P But I do know a couple people that are lefties that basically had to learn to fire right handed. May take a bit of time to learn it. Are you left or right eye dominant? That is probably the biggest factor, though you can overcome both hand and eye dominance with enough practice. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 07:09 am: |
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Fahren,
It takes some time to learn to shoot "weak handed" but it's very doable. It's easier with a long gun, since both hands have a job to do, and unless you have a left handed gun, nicer to deal with ejected cartridges and controls.
Eye domination is far more important than handed-ness for most shooters. I often see handgunners shoot left eye, ( brother in law shoots IPSC competition ) but right handed, and while that is awkward in old school duelist stance, it's not hard at all in a Weaver stance. I shoot left eye ( I'm right handed ) sometimes just for practice.
The 5.7 was designed from the start to defeat armor, the 5.56 was not. I bet reloading is... delicate. Everything is so small and thus fragile.
Arguing the better round? One is a personal defense round ( and will reach out further than you think ) the other a varmint round adapted to assault rifle use.
The 5.56 has range limitations too, which is why M-14's from arsenals around the world got emptied to outfit our guys in the Sandbox. Afghanistan often calls for a Battle Rifle not an Assault Rifle with it's reduced power. ( and recoil and mass )
It's a little apples and oranges. A .50 Beowulf is far better..... for some things...... it's pretty impressive on 'chucks, actually, though I'd not chose it for a Prairie dog town shoot. The shoulder would get sore. ( also true about the .50 govt. Sharps a buddy uses for 'chuck hunting..... Boom! Splat! It's fun to see the thumb sized bullet arc out over a field ( 'chucks are always way over there... ) while spotting. from just upwind so the smoke cloud doesn't obscure.... |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 08:40 am: |
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My oldest son is a lefty and is shooting in a juniors program and when we go out to the range.
It is a bit of a challenge for him, some guns worse than others. A Beretta 92 or a 1911? Total non issue. A bolt action .22? He can shoot OK, but cycling the action is a hassle.
So mechanically, it's completely doable, particularly if you get to pick your guns. But there will be some moments of annoyance. |
Fahren
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 08:51 am: |
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Bolt action + right eye + left-handed = YARRR (pirate/eye patch/oops).
No way I could ever use the right eye. Maybe hitting the side of a barn. A big barn. Maybe. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 10:15 am: |
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For a hand gun, you just tip the head if your left eye is dominant. Your head does not have to be vertical, the sights do.
I misunderstood, I thought, a lefty with a bad left eye. Then you shoot a rifle right handed. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 11:09 am: |
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Fahren,
Not clear what you are looking to do. If you could never use your right eye then you are going to shoot a rifle lefty. You asked about doing it righty though.
Do you shoot pistol and what kind of shooting. Bulls eye shooting is different from most other shooting. Are you shooting both eyes open?
Bottom line is that if changing eyes for rifle from pistol and you are trying to shoot with both eyes you will probably never get either to work for you. You can teach your brain to use either eye. You can learn the mechanics. Lots of dry fire practice will get that learning done fairly quickly and without the cost of ammo. My wife has had to deal with some of these issues being a right eyed lefty. |
Fahren
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 11:20 am: |
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Growing up, I was the goofy kid who wasn't any good at shooting. I am left-handed, and my left eye is bad. I could ••••(um, like a rooster, rhymes with "lock") the head to sight a pistol and shoot left, but I would have to learn right-handed rifle, were I to pick it up.
(Message edited by fahren on March 22, 2012) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 11:37 am: |
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um, like a rooster, rhymes with "lock"
Something you might do to a gun?  You've got to love the censor programing!
It should be pretty easy if you are closing one eye, or going "pirate". If you want to shoot with both eyes open you may have to train to get the right eye dominant. It just take some time doing some basic training. |
Fahren
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 11:52 am: |
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Since kid-dom, I've lived both eyes open, and the right eye does all the work. No prob's with depth perception: a body adjusts to its condition, and adapts. But it's unnerving to see how much the "location" of what I see shifts when I close my right eye: I close the right eye, and everything shifts right (and gets blurry LOL).
Anyway, sorry to derail a thread. Carry on. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 12:03 pm: |
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Right eye, left handed. An offset sight will do it. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 02:32 pm: |
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Is that a .223?
OH who cares? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 03:03 pm: |
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Not a derail, but a good question.
I'd suggest shooting right handed. It will take a little time and lots of practice, but.... if you start with what you now have, it's actually harder to reprogram the hands, if you start with a new gun, with different buttons & levers, there is nothing to unlearn.
An offset sight sorta works, but doesn't get over the issue that a lot of guns have where the empty cartridge hits you in the face. Lefty actions are not really more costly, but rarer.
You can retrain the hands, but not the eye. For most shooting, without a high power scope, it's best to leave both eyes open. Even with a scope, most people can do it both eyes open ( and it's better by far for situational awareness and peripheral vision. Seeing the person running in front of you can save a life )
Certain designs, like scout scopes, holosights, and red dots are designed for both eye open shooting, and your brain will superimpose the dot/cross/triangle/circle/whatever on the vision, so that you just see it hanging in space. That also takes some practice. Most practice can be done with dry fire techniques.
Safety rant!!!!!!!!!
Mostly snap caps and an utter, total mindset that there is NO LIVE ammo in the room, and when you stop practice, you stop. Period. You have to throw the switch in your head that the gun is now deadly when you stop practice. People have blown holes in tv's and themselves when they switch back to live ammo, but hadn't thrown the mental switch. ( a reverse situation has happened to police officers who practice shotgun with light bird loads, and forget to switch to back to buck after practice sessions. Men have been killed because of this. By the other, wounded but not stopped bad guy. )
end safety rant. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 06:28 pm: |
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You can retrain the hands, but not the eye.
I've got to disagree. During the past year my right eye has gotten considerably more farsighted to the point where I don't see the dots on the 3 dot sights on my XD(m). Just for kicks I tried looking with my left eye; Holy cow! Look at the dots on those sights! So I decided to try some shooting with my left eye. Of course being my non-dominant eye I had to close my right one. I tried to get used to this for a few shooting sessions, but really hated doing that "rooster" thing with my head that Fahren mentioned. I really felt it would not be natural if I ever was in a self defense situation.
So I went back to shooting with my dominant eye, but wait a second, I can't get a freaking sight picture! Sure enough my brain was learning to see the sights with my left eye. It took a little bit of retraining to get my normal sight picture back again. Still not happy with my eyesight situation, but I can shoot well enough in a self defense situation.
Speaking of which, Thursday night of last week I wound grabbing my gun for the first time ever in a "real" situation. Middle of the night I'm awakened by someone banging on my door. I look down from the bedroom window, but he's too close to see much other than some guy in black pants and a black jacket out there. Grab the gun, and it felt natural in my hand as I check the roostered and chambered indicators on the XD(m). It's nice when habit takes over in those situation. Went to open the door to check it out. It was over in a flash. Just my neighbor. He had a good enough reason for waking me up, so no worries. He also never knew I had a gun hidden behind the door jamb. I was happy to have never touched the trigger. Nice to see those good habits that get drilled in during practice get used. Never got back to sleep again that night. That kind of experience just can't be duplicated during practice, and I would call it about a 2 out of 10 on the "OH CRAP!" scale.
One other story that relates to this thread... Anyone see the Preppers episode where the guy shot his own thumb? An instructor at our VFW heard how he shot his thumb. Practicing live fire drawing from a holster. He had his support hand out in front of himself waiting for the gun to come to his hand. There are some things that you might want to get good training for, and practice slowly in dry fire situations until they become natural. All the rules mentioned above for dry firing apply.
Be safe folks!
Does anyone really care if that's a .223 shell in that picture?  |
Fb1
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 09:13 pm: |
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Sifo, all I see is a pair of .38's. 
Thanks for sharing the encounter with your neighbor. I read as much stuff like this as I can online, trying to assimilate "real" stories of situational awareness into my own SA training.
I can easily imagine how rewarding it felt afterward (after your BP came down!) to recognize all the training you've had paid off and you weren't "guessing," under stress, what to do and how to do it.
I continue to regularly work on my mechanical skills with the pistol (plus shot a buddy's AR last weekend - what a hoot, it's now on my short list), but I'm yearning to improve my SA skills, too: This Saturday I'm attending a class put on by Terry Vaughan, http://www.tvempowers.com/. Very much looking forward.
Thanks again.
FB |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 09:26 pm: |
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FB those are .32s lol |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 11:44 pm: |
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Any thoughts on R Guns ARs? They're showing M4 barrelled guns for $750. They look ok, except the aren't chrome lined bores/chambers. My local gun shop has a Stag Arms Model 2 for $850. A Ruger SR556 for $1050... Too many ARs to choose from. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 12:02 am: |
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You MUST stay with chrome bore and chamber. Throat Erosion and bore pitting can be quite bad. |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 12:22 am: |
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I know it's an older thread, but does anyone have thoughts on polymer ARs? Specifically, the Bushmaster C15. I've seen negative reviews, but they're older and a 'friend of a friend's cats other human's brother had one that went kaboom'. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 - 08:34 am: |
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Looks more like a .30/06 or .308 shell to me. |
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