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Jb2
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:06 pm: | 
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>>> 'Nuff said.
Agreed.
>>> Back on topic.
That's hard to do when you are debating the left. As proof I submit this thread is a perfect example. Throw snipes, change the subject, use bad behavior of others to justify the current admin. Nothing new here.
His grandma, aunt or someone was interviewed during the '08 campaign and she was adamant that he was born in Kenya.
The truth is I don't think we'll ever know. |
Jb2
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:09 pm: |
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Drkside79,
>>> Damn i tried answering that. Read my words knew the responses i would get and deleted it.
So again, nothing of substance? Only hearsay and innuendo? |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:10 pm: |
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His grandma, aunt or someone was interviewed during the '08 campaign and she was adamant that he was born in Kenya.
That was his grandmother. I wonder how many grand kids she has that she lost track of where they were born. Especially grand kids that should have been born in the US and became POTUS. It's got to be hard to keep track. Who remembers their grand kids being born? BTW, does anyone have a count on the number of siblings and cousins that BO has? I have no idea. |
Prior
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:21 pm: |
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>>>>I will stick with he is the lesser of two evils for now.
Here lies a big part of the problem- shouldn't we, as citizens and voters, be challenging ourselves and our fellow citizens and voters to push for better candidates- ones that we know that will lead the country in the right direction, rather than picking the 'least worst' of two candidates?
If you don't like the republican candidates, and apparently don't really like Obama, who is your ideal candidate? Why not vote for him/her?
(Message edited by awprior on March 09, 2012) |
Jb2
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:23 pm: |
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Alex... buddy... are you really trying to interject common sense and patriotic duty into this conversation? Really?
Good on you! |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:24 pm: |
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Well, there is the illegal uncle pinched for DUI. Then there is the illegal auntie, decades overdue past her visa expiration. Could be a slew of family illegalities around the country. Michelle's mother moved into the Whitehouse. Oh, that's right. Just raising the question is racist. My bad. |
Chauly
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:28 pm: |
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Who remembers their grand kids being born?
I do, I do! All six of them...wait, eight... um, seven...yeah, it's seven. I'm sure. Mostly. There may be others... |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 03:32 pm: |
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If you don't like the republican candidates, and apparently don't really like Obama, who is your ideal candidate? Why not vote for him/her?
The inherent danger in that is IF the Democraps, get enough votes out for the
the "Incompetent - Incumbent", then the person who needs to be outed is not because the oppositions vote is splintered.
I have to admit that I am surprised by Courts comments I thought that perhaps Gingrich was not an "idiot" |
Fb1
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 04:18 pm: |
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Emphasis mine. -- FB
quote:State Attorneys General Resist Obama's Power Grab
March 6, 2012
Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is not one to mince words, and he certainly held back nothing earlier this week when he offered the following assessment of President Obama: "This president and his administration, in my view, represent the greatest set of lawbreakers that have run the federal government in our lifetimes. The fact is, President Obama and his appointees have ignored federal laws, they've ignored binding rulings of federal courts and they've ignored the limits on their power mandated by the Constitution." Cuccinelli's comments came during a joint news conference with the chief legal officers for eight other states under the auspices of the Republican Attorneys General Association.
The purpose of the conference was to release a report prepared by Cuccinelli and the eight other state attorneys general identifying 21 actions taken by Obama that they consider illegal. "What these nine attorneys general have collectively confirmed is that this administration repeatedly shows disdain for states, federal laws it finds inconvenient, the Constitution and the courts," the report states. Even allowing for the usual partisan excesses of election-year rhetoric, the report highlights a growing resolve among state officials to resist federal encroachment.
Source: http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2 012/03/state-attorneys-general-resist-obamas-power -grab/344746
Folks, it's one thing when "just" We The People take notice.
It's quite something else when the Attorney General of a state...
quote:In most common law jurisdictions, the attorney general, or attorney-general, is the main legal advisor to the government, and in some jurisdictions he or she may also have executive responsibility for law enforcement or responsibility for public prosecutions.
The term is used to refer to any person who holds a general power of attorney to represent a principal in all matters. In the common law tradition, anyone who represents the state, especially in criminal prosecutions, is such an attorney.
...is taking notice.
Or, when NINE Attorneys General are taking notice, and putting their names on the dotted line.
Huge props to these men and woman. The easiest thing to do would be to do nothing, and protect their careers.
We The People need to know who these people are, and THANK THEM for doing their job. From the article:
quote:The nine attorneys general issuing this report -- Tom Horne of Arizona, Pam Bondi of Florida, Sam Olens of Georgia, Bill Schuette of Michigan, Scott Pruitt of Oklahoma, Marty Jackley of South Dakota, Alan Wilson of South Carolina, Greg Abbott of Texas and [Ken] Cuccinelli [of Virginia] -- should be commended for identifying and standing up to Washington power grabs.
Amen!
We The People are NOT alone in the fight to save our country.
FB |
Chauly
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 04:27 pm: |
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I know and support Ken C.
HUGE 2nd Amendment guy as well. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 04:41 pm: |
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I voted for him and will again, not even close to not doing. Sit down with me over coffee or beer and I will discuss. I have given up discussing politics on the internet for Lent. |
Fb1
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:18 pm: |
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quote:White House Works to Shape Debate Over Health Law
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: March 9, 2012
WASHINGTON — The White House has begun an aggressive campaign to use approaching Supreme Court arguments on the new health care law as a moment to build support for the measure seen as President Obama’s signature legislative achievement, hoping to shape public opinion on an issue at the center of the battle for the White House and Congress.
On Wednesday, White House officials summoned dozens of leaders of nonprofit organizations that strongly back the health law to help them coordinate plans for a prayer vigil, press conferences and other events outside the court when justices hear arguments for three days beginning March 26.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/us/politics/whit e-house-works-to-shape-debate-over-health-law.html ?_r=2
Really? A prayer vigil?? |
Fb1
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:27 pm: |
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quote:An American Auto Bailout – For France?
By Jonathan Karl, March 9, 2012
Attention U.S. taxpayers: You now own a piece of a French car company that is drowning in red ink.
That’s right. In a move little noticed outside of the business pages, General Motors last week bought more than $400 million in shares of PSA Peugeot Citroen – a 7 percent stake in the company.
Because U.S. taxpayers still own roughly one-quarter of GM, they now own a piece of Peugeot.
Peugeot can undoubtedly use the cash. Last year, Peugeot’s auto making division lost $123 million. And on March 1 – just a day after the deal with GM was announced – Moody’s downgraded Peugeot’s credit rating to junk status with a negative outlook, citing “severe deterioration” of its finances.
In other words, General Motors essentially just dumped more than $400 million of taxpayer assets on junk bonds.
More here: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/an-am erican-auto-bailout-for-france/
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Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:32 pm: |
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>>>I have to admit that I am surprised by Courts comments I thought that perhaps Gingrich was not an "idiot"
I'm not sure Gingrich qualifies as an "idiot", but he is unelectable.
I love watching the guy debate, he's a human encyclopedia. He;s just bound in a jacket that can't be sold.
He's in hot water in our house today . . .he had an appointment with Mom that he canceled today. All 4 of the candidates were coming to her office to call on her and Gingrich decided to blow Kansas off and head South.
Even at 84 . . . she doesn't forget much.
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Fb1
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 05:33 pm: |
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Emphasis mine. -- FB
quote:US trade deficit hits $52.6 billion in January
By MARTIN CRUTSINGER | Associated Press March 9, 2012
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. trade deficit surged to the widest imbalance in more than three years in January as imports hit an all-time high, reflecting big demand for foreign-made cars, computers and food products.
U.S. exports to Europe fell, raising concerns that the debt crisis in that region could dampen U.S. economic growth.
The January trade deficit widened to $52.6 billion, the biggest gap since October 2008, the Commerce Department reported Friday. Imports rose 2.1 percent to a record $233.4 billion. Exports were up a smaller 1.4 percent to $180.8 billion. Exports to Europe fell 7.5 percent.
In January, the politically sensitive deficit with China rose 12.5 percent to $26 billion. Last year, the deficit with China hit a record $295.5 billion, the highest deficit ever recorded with a single country.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/us-trade-deficit-hits-52-6-b illion-january-133525871.html
It's pretty obvious we simply need to keep what we're doing; it's working like a charm.
Four more years... 
Four more years...
Four more years... |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 06:07 pm: |
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I'm disappointed, but not surprised that no one has made an attempt to answer my two simple questions. About the only thing that BO campaigned on and actually delivered on is his health care debacle. Of course that one will almost certainly be struck down by the court prior to the election. If not the court will be saying that the Constitution has no restraints on the federal government at all, effectively voiding the entire document. Kind of brings up the question "Do you dislike the entire Constitution, or just portions of it?" |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Friday, March 09, 2012 - 07:20 pm: |
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Wiki: The term red pill and its opposite, blue pill, are pop culture terms that have become a common symbol for the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).
Obama is essentially a legend written by those strategists who want socialism in the US. He was never honestly defined. By not having a clear and open history, POTUS was created from whole clothe in such a fashion to be a candidate voters of the blue persuasion would elect.
Obama's inane clown posse is blue, all the way through their so-called Democrat core. Even the probable eventuality of drinking muddy water and sleeping in a hollow log will not activate their self preservation gene.
Over on the red side, on the other hand, Republican voters are willing to acknowledge reality, even if the politicians thrown out for their consideration are smarmy old deal makers from the 19th hole at a country club.
Elected Republicans arrive in Wa(r)shington with a few bucks in their pockets. Their counterparts in the Democrat seats arrive broke. Both types leave with more.
The red pill takers retain the common sense to know the game is rigged, but carry the "real" hope for "real" change. Blue pill poppers have turned their decision making process over to leftist strategists and their bent media.
Red pill people hold humanity responsible for it's folly or success. Blues hold red pill takers responsible for holding up their hash marked skivvies and pointing out who sharted where.
As an aging Libertarian, I see more hope with the red pill than the blue. |
Prior
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 02:52 am: |
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The inherent danger in that is IF the Democraps, get enough votes out for the
the "Incompetent - Incumbent", then the person who needs to be outed is not because the oppositions vote is splintered.
Oldog,
Agree with you completely. Are we at the point where we need to vote for a candidate that, in business speak, gets us "directionally right" (i.e. pick a candidate that might not be what we want, but better than what we have, "lesser than the other evil") just to avoid splitting voters?
It's sad to say, but we're there and have been for the past few elections.
My hope is, in future elections, we have candidates that truly run for what they believe (and I hope it's our country's foundation, the Constitution), rather than one-upping the other, be it party lines, divorces, voting records, religion or the host of other things that are debated among those whom aspire to lead our country, but rather the future of our country.
I'm a conservative, there's no question to that, but I also steadfastly believe that our country has some great programs that do help those in our country that are in need, which fall on the liberal end of the spectrum. Social security, Medicare/Medicade, welfare and unemployment and a host of other programs are all things that have benefitted Americans for generations. I also believe that many liberties have been taken, over the years, with these programs that have rendered some of these programs to be 'handouts', or expectations, to some of our citizens, and are no longer valid for their intended purposes..
I think the country I love is in a downward spiral of debt (and there is plenty of data to confirm that concern), and we have many social and political issues that are truly dividing our country. If we continue the trend we are on, regardless of Obama getting reelected, or picking ‘the least worst’ Republican candidate for office, we’re in trouble, be it budgetary, social, wars or whatever else you can imagine.
Our challenge, as citizens, is to take the issues that divide us and figure out how to come to the table and find a solution that benefits us all and keeps our great country sustainable and stable.
I’m not the constitutional scholar that some on this board are, and I’ve made it a goal to polish up on it more, but I can’t help but think that many of the things we face now are the exact same things that our founding fathers thought about when they started this country. There’s no way the founding fathers agreed on everything, just as we do today, but they came to the table and agreed upon what our country should be based on. We’re such a diverse country, have so many dreams and aspirations that we’ve accomplished, yet we’re divided, but with the same goal- freedom and independence.
What can we do, conservative, liberal, republican, democrat, tea party, libertarian, independent or the other host of political parties, to bring this country together to solve our problems and build a better country? Demand better candidates, better leaders. Our two-party system today does nothing but divide our government, our people and create nothing but turmoil. Demand better candidates, demand LEADERS.
I don't normally do politics on the board. No time, and I just can't keep up...
Dave Gess- I'll be in Madison, WI Thursday night, wanna do a beer and talk about Buells and Brandy Old Fashioneds? |
Johnnymceldoo
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 06:59 pm: |
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I couldn't sit down and have a beer with someone who supports a government so blatantly corrupt and prejudiced.
Growing up I wondered how the Germans could let their military kill so many fellow countrymen during the Holocaust. Now I understand that when you have great ingredients like media allegiance and support from famous people anything is possible. There are people here that know full well there are some very bad things going on but they will not speak up and rebuke them. They are complicit. |
Geedee
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 09:57 pm: |
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"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
Robert A. Heinlein
Seems to me that all Governments everywhere now deny those of the latter group. 'Party Politics' does that. The representatives represent the party instead of Re-presenting the opinions of the people. Parties are used as control mechanisms full of their own agendas. Time they all went.
When the American Constitution was written, were there parties, or did they come later? |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 - 10:41 pm: |
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Torys and Whigs were the dominant parties at the time of the writing of the Constitution.
Now that I say that, I'll probably find how wrong my memory is when I go a-googling. |
Geedee
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 03:01 am: |
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Thanks Slaughter, now you've given me more reading to do :-).
The term Whig was originally short for 'whiggamor', a term meaning "cattle driver".....
Hmmm. Appropriate. Nothing's changed then but the name. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 02:43 pm: |
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"Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
Robert A. Heinlein
I remember in the run up and early part of the Iraq war a certain segment of the population took the position that the people in Iraq really didn't want the freedom to govern themselves. I could never understand that position back then. After countless political discussions I've come to realize that there seems to be some truth in what they said. I also believe that there was a lot of personal ideology being projected on the Iraqi people. In reality, a lot of people her in the US don't want the power to govern themselves.
I wouldn't mind that so much if they would be content to follow those who do want to govern ourselves, but they seem to be hellbent on creating some new government where none of the common people have the control. I'm not clear if these folks would prefer dictatorship, aristocracy, or what, but they certainly don't seem to want a representative republic or democracy. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 04:58 pm: |
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Decent post there, Sifo.
East is East and West is West and ne'er the twain shall meet. ~Kipling |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 07:11 pm: |
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This is odd considering it comes from 2004, when BO was just running for the Senate...
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastanda rd.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
quote:Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
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Fb1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 08:18 pm: |
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quote:The Standard Limited,
I & M Building, Kenyatta Avenue,
P.O Box 30080, 00100 GPO, Nairobi-Kenya.
Tel. +254 20 3222111, Fax: +254 20 214467, 229218, 218965. News room: +254 20 3222111, Fax: +254 20 213108.
Email: editorial@eastandard.net, online@eastandard.net, Advertising: standard.ads@swiftkenya.com
Hmmmm, makes ya wonder how they could be so wrong. I mean, Mr. Obama said he was born in Hawaii. Isn't that good enough?? |
Reindog
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 09:00 pm: |
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Nixon also had a huge base of ardent supporters ..... before the truth came out .... and it almost didn't.
Where are today's Woodward and Bernsteins? |
Fb1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 09:13 pm: |
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Where are today's Woodward and Bernsteins? |
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