| Author | Message | ||
     Fb1 |
"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, 1816 | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cool quote... I stole your other one and put it on Facebook... | ||
| Fb1 |
Thanks Bill, and thanks for spreading the word. I'm going to add another quote to "The Founding Fathers said..." every morning until I run out of quotes or run out of breath, whichever comes first. Hopefully the wisdom found in the writings of our founders will resonate with someone who perhaps hasn't ever fully considered who these people were and what they fought so hard to accomplish, not only for themselves, but for generations to come. For folks so inclined, it may prove to be a revelation. This is my goal for starting this thread. For folks like you and me, it will be a refreshing refresher.  Best, FB | ||
| Reindog |
High school and college students are taught that the Founding Fathers lacked diversity and are the irrelevant, outdated ramblings of some dead white men. Hell, even an old dude like Buellnmike can't even put Washington and Jefferson in perspective. We are headed for the Rule of Man triumphing over the Rule of Law when all we can do is graduate ignorant college students. | ||
| Froggy |
Unless that changed since I graduated high school 8 years ago, that isn't true. I don't recall taking any history or civics classes during my currently incomplete college career, so I can't comment on that. | ||
| Glitch |
A must read. The 5000 Year Leap After seeing what the school was leaving out of American History, I had my boys read it. I highly recommend it. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
High school and college students are taught that the Founding Fathers lacked diversity and are the irrelevant, outdated ramblings of some dead white men. Hell, even an old dude like Buellnmike can't even put Washington and Jefferson in perspective. We are headed for the Rule of Man triumphing over the Rule of Law when all we can do is graduate ignorant college students. Tom, I feel your pain, but the problem is much, much deeper than that. We - the United States of America - are in many ways a victim of our own success. We are many generations removed from the tyranny of Great Britain. It is easy to forget, or never even know, of the pain and suffering that our Founding Fathers endured in their bloody battle to wrest our independence from tyranny. We - many of us, anyway - have grown soft and lazy in the midst of our seemingly boundless plenty. And while we've grown complacent, the NEXT tyranny has been fermenting for generations in Washington, DC, men and women of unscrupulous character, who "serve" NOT as public servants, but as servants to their own greed for money, fame, power and control. We - patriotic American citizens - at the very least owe it to young and old alike to teach them - or remind them, as the case may be - on who we are and how we got here. I'm as much to blame as anyone else. I haven't exactly lived a life of plenty - I've worked hard for what little I've got - but all too often I've looked the other way, too busy with my own pleasures to care about the greater good. I can't tell you exactly why, but my mood has changed. We're SO close to losing America, and I'm going to do everything in my power to pay tribute to the Founding Fathers for their sacrifices and dedication to freedom, honor and dignity. This thread is a little thing, but it's a start. For anyone reading this who thinks the Constitution and Bill of Rights are outdated and irrelevant, I encourage you to state your case. You'll probably take some heat for voicing such views, but I'll defend your right to speak freely. In return for this courtesy I'd simply ask that you put forth an honest effort to make your case. For you Patriots reading this - and you know who you are - the time is at hand. Knowledge is king, not Obama and his minions. Teach, my friends. Teach! Open eyes and minds alike with your words and deeds. Comport yourself as if your very soul depends upon it. The Founding Fathers deserve nothing less. Nor, do we. FB | ||
| Kenm123t |
Froggy start with the Federalist papers and read the Constitution and Declaration of Indepedance along with Franklin and Jeffersons letters Mythology of the left is legion. obama Expressly went against Jeffersons letter to the Church on gov power over it. The separation clause isnt in any founding document. Its in a letter explaining to a congregation that gov cannot do what obama just did. If your Ed is that lacking you better catch up with the old guys rofl | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Unless that changed since I graduated high school 8 years ago, that isn't true. I don't recall taking any history or civics classes during my currently incomplete college career, so I can't comment on that. If you've been in college for 8 years since high school and are still there, LEAVE! You are likely giving yourself permanent brain damage. You are in danger of becoming an academic. The only people less valuable to society are politicians and neighborhood organizers. | ||
| Kenm123t |
8 years its too late maybe A 4 year hitch with the Marines could save Froggy Nothing like being shot at to realign your prioritys. | ||
| Froggy |
It hasn't been 8 constant years, I get free tuition so I take a class occasionally. It would be great if everyone got free tuition, but that is for another thread. | ||
| Aussie2126 |
<<<<<Froggy start with the Federalist papers and read the Constitution and Declaration of Indepedance along with Franklin and Jeffersons letters Mythology of the left is legion. obama Expressly went against Jeffersons letter to the Church on gov power over it. The separation clause isnt in any founding document. Its in a letter explaining to a congregation that gov cannot do what obama just did. The Founding Fathers said... Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 Jefferson was very clear on his position...clarified it on many occasions. The government does not run religion --- but religion does not write law, not even health care or employment law. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Froggy sez: "I get free tuition so I take a class occasionally." Free tuition? A typical liberal fallacy. Just as TANSTAAFL, there ain't no such thing as free tuition. Somebody is paying for it. G | ||
| Froggy |
Yes it is free, nobody is paying for it. I still have to pay for my own books and materials, but tuition is free. Technically I do pay for it, then they send me a reimbursement check once the paperwork clears, so in effect it is free. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Next time in class, look to your left and your right. Those students paying full ride are also paying for your "free" tuition. The professors don't work for free. The electricity lighting, heating, and cooling the classroom isn't free. The building isn't free. The upkeep of that building isn't free. EVERYTHING has a cost associated with it. SOMEONE is paying for all these things. Just because you aren't, it doesn't mean that there is no cost. FREE healthcare isn't free either. | ||
| Froggy |
Actually yes, it is free. Given how little it costs, the school eats it. It requires no additional resources other than the extra 5 minutes of work for the professor to do my grades over the course of the semester. I'm not even displacing a normal student, my seat is an additional allotment. We spend more money on paper for the printers in a single day. (Soon to be resolved as we will be charging students per page) | ||
| Fb1 |
"Nothing so strongly impels a man to regard the interest of his constituents, as the certainty of returning to the general mass of the people, from whence he was taken, where he must participate in their burdens." - George Mason, 1788 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
“People have the government they deserve” --Montesquieu | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"There is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of the law and in the name of justice." --Montesquieu "It's for the children!" | ||
| Hootowl |
"Yes it is free, nobody is paying for it. I still have to pay for my own books and materials, but tuition is free. Technically I do pay for it, then they send me a reimbursement check once the paperwork clears, so in effect it is free." Do you not see the contradiction in what you are saying? Who writes the check? | ||
| Hootowl |
"The government does not run religion --- but religion does not write law, not even health care or employment law." True. And that has never happened. Laws are passed by Congress, not the church. But Congress can't pass laws that interfere with religious freedom (well, they can, but churches have every right to challenge them in court) and that is exactly what they have done, and are doing with the laws you mentioned. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Its paid for Froggy The concept of Free Money if taught you by said school is reason to leave it. The for the children bunch are the same ones that think abortion is ok. Did you see the Medical ethicists that think killing non perfect new borns or for any reason yahoos. There is nothing more evil than some one that will kill or advocate the death of new borns But what do I expect of Heathens | ||
| Aussie2126 |
<<<<But Congress can't pass laws that interfere with religious freedom (well, they can, but churches have every right to challenge them in court) and that is exactly what they have done, and are doing with the laws you mentioned. "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." The church chooses to be an employer. What would JC do? | ||
| Hootowl |
All employers choose to be employers. What's your point? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
"give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." The church chooses to be an employer. What would JC do? Don't understand your point. Because people are compensated for work performed on behalf of a church, they church relinquishes all protections afforded it under the First Amendment? | ||
| Jb2 |
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." ~ Thomas Jefferson | ||
| Reepicheep |
Well, when he came across the woman who committed adultery, whom the law required to be stoned to death, he intervened and stopped the stoning. Remember... the national law of his country required she be killed. The concern of the Church was not taxes or money, it was the fact that they were being forced to be an accessory to what they reasonably believe to be murder. | ||
| Kenm123t |
He said bring the children unto me He didnt say kill them | ||
| Blake |
That last Jefferson quote is one of my favorites FB. It's right up there with his "tree of liberty" commentary. | ||
| Blake |
Aussie,
Seems to me your point is kind of like ranting about how 2+2=4. My response is "yeah, so what?" Seems to be a common misconception that Christians in America want to have their church running the govt. It's nothing but a lie perpetrated by leftists and angry activist atheists. Any American who knows history, knows the dire consequences of such folly. It's why so many fled the old world and risked so much to come to the new. But did you know that the Old Testament itself teaches separation of secular govt and religion? So the truth may seem stranger than the lies. Christianity and Judaism do indeed teach that secular govt is per the will of G-d. Surprised aren't you? Back to America's founding though. An honest person cannot ignore the profound role of belief in G-d and the teachings of the Bible in the founding of America (see aforementioned Biblical teaching of separation of civil govt from religion). Simply read our nation's birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence. Then the preamble to our Constitution, and then the Bill of Rights. When an honest person reads those documents, it becomes crystal clear from what basis our unalienable rights are bestowed. The United States of America are exceptional because our federal govt was established to protect those rights. It was NOT established to grant those rights. We the people of the United States of America must affirm that our unalienable rights are bestowed upon us by G-d, else we have ZERO standing to complain against the erosion and ultimate loss of said unalienable rights. Absent G-d, by what basis may people demand liberty? According to Jefferson and virtually all his fellow nation-founders, none. The god who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - "A Summary View of the Rights of British America" (Message edited by blake on February 28, 2012) |
