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Cyclonedon
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good job in your responses Frank! Some people just don't understand that the law is THE LAW!!!
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Redefine420
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dude, you need to get laid. Your life sounds boring. I'm out.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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but its 14 year olds running a lemonade stand.




So, because they are 14 they can do whatever they want? Remind me to hire a 14 year old to drive me to work, that way if they get pulled over, "I'm sorry officer, she is only 14, you can't give her a ticket!"


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There was a video of you pulling a wheelie once, so id say hypocrite.




Like I said, that is all in the past. I've paid enough tickets over the years. Did the crimes, paid the fines (luckily didn't have to do any time!)

No reason some little girls shouldn't have to pay a fine for conducting business illegally. Hell I'm sure a quick trip to town hall for a temporary food service permit could of avoided the whole situation from ever happening. You have to get one here if you want to have a bake sale, lemonade stand, or similar small scale temporary sale.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get froggy's point and its valid. Its similar to the argument that certain companies shouldn't be excluded from the new health care laws.

Eventually with enough laws we will reach a thriving America for sure. Right?
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Dude, you need to get laid. Your life sounds boring. I'm out.




Plenty of laying going on with me involved. I do agree though that my life is boring, I keep telling my girlfriend that, but she doesn't agree.


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Eventually with enough laws we will reach a thriving America for sure. Right?



I don't agree with that though. Laws can help or hinder progress economically and in other ways.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Life isn't boring people are!
Feeling the ponys lack something?
Oh and the guards at Dachau were just following the law too. Being legal doesn't serve justice Its about time for a legal system purge too many laws and Bravo Sierra.


Footnotes See Byzantine empire For the non history literate Like Froggy Means buried in paper work and Procedure
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If Noah were in the United States today...

And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed, but I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark."
In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.

In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the ark. "Remember," said the Lord, "you must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year.

Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard weeping.
"Noah," he shouted. "Where is the Ark?"

"Lord, please forgive me," cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for construction, and your plans did not meet the codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans. Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a sprinkler system and approved floatation devices. Then, my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission."

"Then, I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U. S. Forest Service that I really needed the wood to save the owls. However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls. So, no owls."

"The carpenters formed a union and went on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or hammer. Now, I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls."

"When I started rounding up the other animals, an animal rights group sued me. They objected to me taking only two of each kind aboard. Just when I got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement in your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the universe."


"Then, the Army Corps of Engineers demanded a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe."

"Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking godless, unbelieving people aboard."

"The IRS has seized my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country and not pay taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft'."

"And finally, the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it's a religious event, and, therefore, unconstitutional.

I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another five or six years." Noah waited.

The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully.

"You mean you're not going to destroy the earth, Lord?" "No," he said sadly. "I don't have to. The government already has."
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 09:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Frank is right, but what he's not saying is that the laws on the books are desirable. That is the main point of Stossel's report.

How about a new law of the land?

Absent substantial fraud perpetrated or harm done, no law shall infringe the right to free enterprise.

The intent being to shift from rampant, unending, overstepping, nanny-state protectionism back to simple enforcement of basic criminal law; steal, defraud, or harm someone, THEN suffer consequences, face justice. Until then, if there is no harm, then there is no foul! Period.

We've become a nation of cowardly lawmakers, endlessly making new laws to try to protect ourselves from the consequences of freedom and personal responsibility. To what end?
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



"Buyer be wary!"

NOT...

"Seller be guilty until proved innocent."



How many people would suffer negligent food poisoning if the food producer(s) and/or preparer(s) and/or server(s) responsible were held personally, criminally responsible?

Random health inspections? FINE! Having to jump through hoops and pay fees in order to conduct business? NO! Voluntary professional certifications/licenses? FINE! Mandatory? NO! You want your home built, wired, and plumbed to code? Then YOU specify it in your contract with your builder.

If your shoddily negligently built home causes harm to your neighbor(s), then YOU face justice. If your builder failed to meet terms of your mutually agreed contract then HE/SHE faces justice. If materials suppliers provide faulty, non-code compliant products that lead to injury, then the people responsible face justice.

Holding everyone accountable is good!

Trying through legislation and bureaucracy to micromanage away risk is just cowardly and leads inevitably to stifling oppression.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the law is never applied equally.
You are beyond naive to believe it is.
All you need is either one, be rich, famous, in power, or in the appropriate entitled 'group' as the winds of that day may direct (hint - it aint ever the middle age single white guy with no criminal record, hetrosexual, that works for a living * Never, not once {show me any govt agency, bureau, committee, board, commission or party that serves that population as a stated demographic} )

Want to get around the law - be a friend of Obummer - you will find the laws don't apply.
ten years ago - who gave a flying about raw Amish milk - now they are worse than walking guns across the border.

Not a fried - then bribe your way to access.
And of course be famous and you get 'rehab'; regular guy - you going to jail.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"never"?

We complain about recidivism, no?

That said, Jefferson was accurate when he declared:

And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


Are corrupt activist courts/judges tyrants? What about corrupt journalists serving the same unconstitutional agenda? What rises to the level of "tyrant" today?

Definition of TYRANNY

1: oppressive power (every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson); especially : oppressive power exerted by government (the tyranny of a police state)

from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see a potential Communist Block Captain OO I ll tell on you!
Get out of the College drug induced redressed hippie world. The only thing they changed was bathing most of the time now.

Cowboy your in Charge of Froggy now he likes ponies put him on one and caring for it. Summer Camp For Froggy Oh and no electronic devices even simple ones like calculators LOL He still didnt look up Simple machines
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.

Thomas Jeffereson
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tree-libe rty-quotation




By "wonderful", Jefferson means not "fabulous" or "unusually good", but rather quite to the contrary, he means "astounding", or "awful", or "astonishing", or "it makes one wonder at."

Is that not the case with American main stream news reporting today? Not quite; thanks to the internet, talk radio, Fox News, and the Wall Street, Journal. Yet look at who the deceivers target and try to malign.
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." [emphasis mine - FB]

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." - Thomas Jefferson

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson

"A wise and frugal government...shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson

Words of incredible wisdom from one of our Founding Fathers, and third President of the United States of America.


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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, are you familiar with the Patriot Post?

http://patriotpost.us/


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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the first I've heard of it FB. Thanks for the heads-up on it. Sounds excellent.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've really enjoyed most all of Bill Whittle's commentaries too. Most are available on youtube some time after initial release on www.PJTV.com.

I like Alfonzo Rachel too.

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=84&load=6660
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Ducxl
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What th.....I'm lost.help me.Is this about children learning the value of a dollar and commerce?

We spend Summers pedalling/walking the bikepath out back.We LOVE(!!) encountering children selling lemonade out there.We quiz them first on quality and presentation.It's GREAT FUN!

If their parents had to pull the permits you guys cite then their parents would be guilty of exploiting underage labor.

OOORRRRRRrrr are you REALLY complaining about the burocracy (spelling..i know) of ADULTS running a lemonade stand? In which case ABSOLUTELY they should be subject to regulation.

I READ the original post.It's SICKENING we can't teach children about the exchange of money.THEIR LOSS!

You guys' reaaly are complaining about big GOV i KNOW....I'm with you there
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perhaps little Billy decided to dilute his lemonade with his own special yellow brew to add some extra flavor.
If little Billy wants to pee into the lemonade do you think having a permit will prevent him from doing so?
I do love everyone, despite them being moochers and leeches that suck the system dry and contributing (abet tax-free) to the mess in Washington.

didn't you proclaim in another thread how your college tuition is free? Why should you attend college with no cost out of your pocket?
Yep. One of the nice things about Paypal is it lets me easily export my income and purchases for tax purposes.
Ah ha....
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The Onerous Effects of Over-Regulation
By Edwin J. Feulner · Monday, February 27, 2012


...The sheer number of regulations alone is staggering. Consider the size of the Federal Register, the daily official chronicle of regulatory changes. Before a new rule can take effect, it must be published in the Register. In 2009, it was 68,598 pages long. In 2010, it ballooned to 81,405. In 2011, the Register hit 82,415, a new record. And the president's reassurances to the contrary, the number keeps going up.

Regulations add $10,585 in costs per employee, according to a study for the Small Business Administration. With a price tag like that, it's no wonder hiring has taken a hit in the midst of a fragile recovery.

Beyond the number and the total cost are the regulations themselves. Many are ludicrously nitpicky and easy to lampoon. "There are nine codes relating to injuries caused by parrots, and three relating to burns from flaming water-skis," The Economist writes. The Heritage Foundation keeps a running tab of such rules on its "Tales of the Red Tape" weekly blog posts.

The stakes are high. "Regulation may crush the life out of America's economy," The Economist concludes. Is Congress going to stand by and let that happen?




Source: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/edwin-j-feulner/2012 /02/27/the-onerous-effects-of-over-regulation/
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 12:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the reasons you should NEVER Order pickle chips is the commonly known fact among fast food employees that if you pee into the pickle chips, it can't be tasted.

And those pickle chips are "legal."

I'm just sayin.
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Baf
Posted on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Well if you knew me, you would know I don't speed anymore




*cough* *cough*



Being that he feels so strongly about enforcing the law, I think Froggy should pay the fine for this.



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Tankhead
Posted on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake said: "Trying through legislation and bureaucracy to micromanage away risk is just cowardly and leads inevitably to stifling oppression."


Right on !!!!!!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been working on formulating a new Constitutional Amendment. What do you think Tankhead?

Absent substantial fraud perpetrated or harm done, no law shall infringe the right of the people to participate in free-market commerce.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We don't need MORE laws. The folks in government currently disregarding the CURRENT laws cannot be expected to abide by NEW laws.

Si?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Such an amendment would get rid of a BUNCH of laws I think. No?
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, March 01, 2012 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the tenth amendment suffices:


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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.




IF the States were allowed to take care of their own business as the Founders intended, we wouldn't need to consider additional laws or amendments.

And IF a State were remiss or found lacking in it's execution of its business, the people would see to righting the ship in very short order, I believe.

The federal government has queered the system for so long we've almost forgotten our way.

If we operated STRICTLY under the rules spelled out by the Founding Fathers, this country would be healthy, viable and prosperous.

We don't need more rules. We need to stick to the ones we have. : )
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Such an amendment would get rid of a BUNCH of laws I think. No?"

Nope.

The 2nd amendment hasn't prevented a raft of laws restricting the right of the people to bear arms has it?

Are you expecting a different result?

Perhaps if there were personal penalties for enacting laws which violate the constitution, thus breaking the oath you swore to uphold it, the bill of rights would not get the trampling it does.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

True that Jeff. Hope remains following the recent Supreme Court decision affirming the 2nd amendment.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, March 02, 2012 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And anyway, a LOT of the overzealous regulatory activity is local city and state.
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