| Author | Message | ||
     Strokizator |
all sprinkler people must be liars and thieves I almost spewed my coffee all over the table when I read this. I've never met you, Blake, but you sure have the construction industry pegged. I'm starting my 41st year in the business this May and 29th as a contractor. Rocco's attitude goes a long way to explain why our company is an open shop. I'm not questioning his skills but who needs the constant whining and hate-filled agenda? | ||
| Kenm123t |
35years myself Stroke I sheep dipped deloused followed by a flea & tick shampoo. To rid my self of the Rocco type losers and mental midgets painful but like MLK said I am Free Free atlast! They need to learn the only easy day was yesterday stop whining and start working. I think guys in the trades cry more than women with PMS. The guys just do it every day of the month. | ||
| Ducxl |
I'm certainly not enthused about the healthcare LAW.It's ludicrous to equate the morning after pill with murder.Cry babies don't like one aspect and want waivers.Waivers for everyone!!!! Don't like polio vaccine?? Waiver!!! Bullshit!! Either as an AMERICAN nation we're either united all in or not. We collectively elect representatives to enact legislation to govern our nation.they're doing it. The Jesus freaks are just the latest crybabies looking for their waiver. Separation of church and state!!! Is it okay for Islamists to use sharing law? Of course not.but hey,the freaks think Islam is evil and a false god just like them silly Jews with Judaism.it's,all just fairie tails until you can reconcile the other faiths.Jesus can go sit in the corner with Zeus and Apollo. | ||
| Buellinmke |
The fun part of this is that Obama just pulled a fast one on Republicans. He drew this out for two weeks, letting Republicans work themselves into a frenzy of anti-contraception rhetoric, all thinly disguised as concern for religious liberty, and then created a compromise that addressed their purported concerns but without actually reducing women's access to contraception, which is what this has always been about. Obama punked the Republicans | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Smart analysis ducxl comparing religious idea of celibacy to stoning women and honor killings of sharia law. I think you've outwitted us. | ||
| Reindog |
Duc, If you haven't already done so, please read "Animal Farm" by George Orwell and get back to us. Joe, You might be right. There are too many blind stupid people who support Zero. I'm with Professor Canfield. I am going to make lots of money while and because, willful blind and stupid Americans support Zero. ****** Certified Code Word Free ******* (Message edited by reindog on February 10, 2012) | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Yes buellinmke, he's really going to need the female vote after being rebuked by Cornell west and belefonte. My guess is he'll dangle some shiny trinkets just before the election to get that voting block back. Maybe he'll close gitmo and rename the pat riot act so you'll drool for him this year Greek pillars and all. I think we can count on some new speech material and perhaps a little more soul in his voice when he addresses black voters. There will be trinkets for everyone. | ||
| Blake |
Joe (Buellinmke),
I don't think he changed anything at all. If the religious organizations are still going to be forced to fund the insurance, then nothing has really changed.
I'm a taxpayer who will be helping to fun the insurance and I sure don't want to pay for contraception for others. Why should I??? | ||
| Blake |
The plan, put forward as a concession to freedom of religion, was immediately denounced by Catholic Rep. Chris Smith as fundamentally the exact same mandate. Sorry Joe. Your esteemed leader pulled a fail, not a fast one. | ||
| Sifo |
Remember back in the day (not all that long ago) when BOcare wasn't going to have ANY money going to abortions because there are members of the citizenry that are in fact opposed to having tax dollars going to abortions. Suddenly we are having to fight to keep religious organizations who recognize abortions as against their beliefs from having to fund them. BO has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy in everything he says. It's time to throw him out along with his bullsh!t health care plan! | ||
| Court |
>>>>Sorry Joe. Your esteemed leader pulled a fail, not a fast one. In a huge way. The Cardinal, who said he'd be spending the weekend reading the "fine print" basically said . . . over the last week Obama acted as if he thought our religion was stupid . . he's made a small change to amend to "all Catholics are stupid". Anybody buying into the "we're going to give prescription meds to hundreds of thousands and if costs nothing". The church was insulated, not assuaged. | ||
| Aesquire |
On the way hom,e from work today the nice lefties on NPR were discussing Obama's "compromise". Even THEY knew it was bogus. The new rule from the Prez. states that the Insurance companies must provide those BC services the client finds morally Objectionable. For Free. Lie. That means ( and the NPR guys admitted it, admiring the lie ) that the client WILL pay for it in increased fees, it just won't be broken out, and when they insurance company requests a higher fee, it WILL be approved by the government agency since it is support of the Prez's agenda. I wonder if R-sprink has any religious beliefs that this or, perhaps a Bachman admin. might want to suppress or ignore his freedom to have, based on Barack's precedent in this case? Do you? As previously stated, I don't agree with the Church's stand on Birth Control. I understand WHY they have that stand. Do you? But if we let our right to CHOSE our own faith be chipped away at, AT ALL, it will disappear as fast as lawn darts. ( if you have any, I might want to buy them, loved playing with modern plumbata ) | ||
| Buellkowski |
Some time ago, the Belgian legislature approved a new law liberalizing abortion. The king, a Catholic, would not sign the law in good conscience, but neither could he deny the will of the people he served. In a compromise, he essentially "abdicated" for one day to allow the law's passage without his personal, royal assent. Professor C. is right, the Church can now claim "clean hands" in the issue, if they chose to. But instead, it appears that these bishops are more willing to push a political agenda to deny BC coverage to their non-Catholic employees that the employees would otherwise enjoy from a non-Catholic employer. I wonder if The Christian Science Monitor pays for health insurance for their employees? | ||
| Kenm123t |
OBAMA doesnt have the Constitutional Power to order either the church or insurance companys to do any thing. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE ABORTION ETC ITS A POWER GRAB BY A DICTATOR TESTING THE WATERS. Get your heads around that. Abortion Birth Control Etc was to get Libtards to take one the church and sow division in the country. If you think this is about any thing but a power grab your smoking dope. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Duc seek truth and lose the tude. Dont be Rocco | ||
| Blake |
Don't like like they are Kowski. It's not a good thing. >>> Professor C. is right, the Church can now claim "clean hands" in the issue, if they chose to. But instead, it appears that these bishops are more willing to push a political agenda to deny BC coverage to their non-Catholic employees that the employees would otherwise enjoy from a non-Catholic employer. That is just downright false. The Church will be paying for the insurance that provides the objectionable services, so how are they not violating their own beliefs? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Obama is going after the church because the church helped end communism in Poland. He is working down his Enemies of the state list. What other group is as tightly knit as the church. They know outsiders when they show up etc. Pre organized and when you put pressure on it it becomes stronger. BC is to get the church to violate its own values. once that is done thier credibility is gone. NOTE DUC and Roccos rants. They are already Possed by the Leftist mindset. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Blake, let's say your employee health plan (that you pay part of the expenses for) covers sterilization services, yet you do not believe in artificial sterilization. Are you saying that it's wrong that an employee must contribute to such a plan? The Catholic Church can advocate non-consumption of such services, but it will face much stiffer resistance trying to limit the supply of such services to the non-Catholics it employs. | ||
| 99savage |
Not sure which word applies here, help me decide: * Equivocation - or * Sophistry This is perhaps the most precipitous tipping point since the per-Civil War era. Will people be forced to vacate their conscience in pursuit of some "greater good"? Am not Roman Catholic, have no sympathy for Roman Catholicism, upon occasion have gone on anti-Catholic tears (especially for their position on contraception) BUT if they elect to actively resist this atrocity I will support them, without respect to the means they decide to adopt. Am perfectly willing to take on a 2nd job to help finance them. If they equivocate am also willing to do all in my means to deface the institution. What I hope, what I really, really hope is that they withdraw the members of the clergy working in these institutions. - Let us see what happens when they have to pay market wages for their administrators & there are no longer any nuns doing nursing work. | ||
| Sifo |
Are you saying that it's wrong that an employee must contribute to such a plan? You are wrong that an employee MUST contribute to such a plan. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Its been in the bill for two years ..... this should have occurred when they wrote it. Just more evidence, that they didnt read what the hell they signed. There is alot more in that bill that has absolutely NOTHING to do with HealthCare. | ||
| Buellkowski |
Will people be forced to vacate their conscience in pursuit of some "greater good"? Society. Can't live with it, can't live without it. The alternative is that we Balkanize, retreat to our hilltop holdfasts, and poop in each other's wells, occasionally marrying our daughters to each other to stave off the vendettas for a few years. Sound like fun? Yes, I'm exaggerating. | ||
| Blake |
The alternative is to return the federal gov't to its limited role as mandated by our Constitution as intended by people like Thomas Jefferson. Or there will eventually be civil war. Which would you prefer Kowski? | ||
| Kenm123t |
Blake Obama is counting on a civil war | ||
| 99savage |
Will people be forced to vacate their conscience in pursuit of some "greater good"? Society. Can't live with it, can't live without it. The alternative is that we Balkanize, retreat to our hilltop holdfasts, . . . . to stave off the vendettas for a few years. Sound like fun? Buellkowski Your point is meritorious but where you take it is failed. To avoid “Balkanization” one would want to enforce the most restrained, not the most debased ethical constraints. We have, for the time being anyway, the freedom to debase ourselves on our own time, on our own dime | ||
| Aesquire |
Buelkowski, You don't have to participate if you are an employee. You don't like a healthcare plan that gives out birth control, don't buy into it. Simple. ( I would think you a bit odd, but, your beliefs, your choice ) But in this instance the demand is that the employer pay for your BC. If your employer is against it for whatever reason, why should he pay for it? He should be able to chose plans that don't. He no longer can. He Will be forced to pay. Fact. Now "free" contraception sounds great to me, BUT how much more will it cost ME? Because TANSTAAFL applies. "Free" stuff always means the cost is hidden, not that YOU didn't pay for it. That free thing you get as a benefit at work, or the one you pay a fraction of, while the "boss" pays the rest, is it really free? No. If you didn't get the "free" thing, you could get paid more. Total compensation, what the company is willing or able to pay, is fixed on a sliding scale. If your total compensation is $1000 a week, ( before taxes ) and you get $400 a week in bennies, you get $600 a week in pay. Then taxes. That's why a lot of people make more money in bennies than pay, it pays better. So if you don't want to pay for BC, but the company is forced to, you pay. Period. This week, it's vasectomies. Next week? Sex change? Free tattoos? Mostly this crap isn't a big moral issue. New York mandates a lot of stuff in your health care insurance. It's a way for politicians to pretend to give you something, when all they are doing is making you pay for their looking good. I HAVE to pay, BY LAW for other peoples aromatherapy sessions. I HAVE to pay for some really weird stuff, that you may find makes you feel better, but I think is bunk. And Vice-versa. When you actually have a moral compass, and it's rules say you should not do X, and the govt. tells you you MUST do X or go to jail...... I'm pretty much with 99savage on this one. Doesn't matter that I Do Not agree with the Church. Doesn't matter that I'm not a Jew. When they Come for the Jews, I will do my best to stop them. Because it's right. ( and MY faith calls for us to protect the weaker ) | ||
| Aesquire |
ooops, My first sentence above... I was incorrect. Under Pelosicare, You DO have no choice but to buy into it. My bad, I forgot for a second that era is over. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702043 69404577209112780407698.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADT op | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290806/chur ch-obama-mark-steyn | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Well someone needs to call the Vatican and tell them I've found their solution to this problem. They need to join the big labor unions and become paying members. Those guys are exempt from new laws right? You gotta pay to play. Please no need to thank me. |
