| Author | Message | ||
     Pkforbes87 |
99% of the time, I'd be with Blake & co, but this time I think the liberal is right. (You don't mind being referred to as such, do you Char? - I mean no offense) The picture doesn't insinuate "God is hateful and intolerant". It insinuates that WBC is hateful and intolerant. I think we can all agree that God has some pretty black and white standards laid out for moral behavior - those include sexual deviancy as well as pharisaical judgment. When the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus in the temple, He didn't tell her to go clean up her life, then come back later for salvation. He forgave her on the spot, then told her to "go and sin no more". Some people have a lot of trouble comprehending the coexistent ideas of unconditional forgiveness and an unflinching moral code. | ||
| Ourdee |
Woe! What we are missing here is that Char said peeps blow up in the microwave. I have to try that. | ||
| Blake |
Charlotte, You know me. If I sense BS, I like to investigate, call it out, and flush it away in favor of truth, especially among friends. In reading your posts here, there are troubling comments that appear offhandedly to be disdainful of the beliefs of others, intolerant, so I'm trying to understand what's what. You might say I'm a man of principle. You not sharing my personal beliefs is not an offense in any way shape or form. Mischaracterizing my faith, mocking scripture, and maligning G-d as "a god of hate" is troubling. . >>> There are many viable non theistic spiritual paths. I am not sure why that is such an offensive idea to you. It's not. What is offensive is having one's beliefs and opinions mischaracterized. Tell me about these "many viable non theistic spiritual paths." Specifically, how have you found truth through them, or with them? Or how have you arrived to your truth on the issue of karma or G-d or what have you. >>> I have survived many unspeakable things. Someone with beliefs different than mine is not one of them. I think you're a beautiful loving person, a great inspiration too. Different beliefs is not the issue. Inaccurate characterization of the beliefs with which you disagree is. I see it a lot. Thought you were above that. Very disheartening to see I might have been mistaken. >>> I do not demonize poor people, sick people, delusional people, or psychotic people. I do not promote the ideology that because someone is different than me they are automatically a threat. Who does do this, besides nazis and islamists and other tyranical murderous totalitarian despot types I mean? From whom are you trying to distinguish yourself? Do you wonder about after life? What is the law of Karma? Chow can we know it is true? Does treating others with compassion as we would like to be treated embody forcing others to "put out there" according to some arbiter of what is proper? Or is freely chosen charity preferable? | ||
| Blake |
PK, >>> 99% of the time, I'd be with Blake & co, but this time I think the liberal is right. (You don't mind being referred to as such, do you Char? - I mean no offense) >>> The picture doesn't insinuate "God is hateful and intolerant". It insinuates that WBC is hateful and intolerant. I thought I affirmed that when in my third post here I stated that: I knew (it was supposed to be funny). In exposing the ignorance and hatefulness of the Westboro blasphemers, it surely is funny. We should laugh at such fools. It's an excellent illustration of the very same type of twisted reasoning that they employ. So, good news! You're still with me!  | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
With regards to picking sides, I was referring more to Char's theme of "let's all pick on WBC instead of picking on each other" vs. yours of "let's start another religious/moral debate in a thread where it doesn't belong". "Nor does G-d hate fags. It is the homosexual acts that run contrary to his will/nature." My beliefs and yours align perfectly on the topic of homosexuality and it's location on the Christian moral spectrum, but I see no direct connection between the original post and the topic of homosexuality. "The God of Hate comes from WBC. Why is everyone taking it as a personal attack on their own beliefs? I was referring to WBC." We all agree that WBC are a bunch of ignorant jackasses. We all agree that God isn't the dreadful deity that WBC makes Him out to be. These are the topics. We don't all agree on whether or not homosexuality is morally wrong. That's not the topic here. I seem to recall an interesting article linked from a topic just a few days older than this one.. "Where unintentional trolling becomes a problem is when a person engages in such behavior repeatedly because he doesn't recognize that he's trolling. Some people think it's cool to post snappy put-downs. Or they casually question the intelligence or sincerity of others. Or they name-call. Often these people would be surprised to be called trolls. Yet when they post like this they are trolling just as surely as the intentional troll. Why? Because their posts have the same effect. They sidetrack useful discussion into offensive, heated exchanges. They destroy threads." | ||
| Alfau |
The Bible says as opposed to your ideas..read Proverbs 6:16-19 (Message edited by alfau on February 01, 2012) | ||
| Drkside79 |
Seriously why aren't you typing out God? | ||
| Alfau |
Figs give me the trotts..lol | ||
| Whatever |
Whatever Blake. You win. You not only are the only honest person on here but your worldview trumps all. You are so insecure you have to attack everyone that doesn't scream your predjudices. I thought under all the blustering pontification there was a well meaning person, but you have insulated yourself with yes men on badweb and percieve every differing viewpoint as a threat. Good for you, enjoy posting your fanatical opinions in the cess pool you have created. I am out of here. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Yep, this all seems about typical. Don't worry Char, it was pretty damn funny and cute too. You, we, just have to learn to ignore the trolls, especially when they carry ban-hammers. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>"You, we, just have to learn to ignore the trolls, especially when they carry ban-hammers." Indeed! Oh BTW that pic is extremely funny! | ||
| Blake |
Charlotte, I just want to enjoy thoughtful discussion. >>> Whatever Blake. >>> You win. Where my questions somehow offensive? How so? It's not about "winning". I like to discuss and learn, evaluate, consider, think, constantly challenge and question. That's difficult when others are offended and refuse to thoughtfully engage. What is so troubling that you cannot answer sincere questions raised by some of your comments here? >>> You not only are the only honest person on here but your worldview trumps all. A worldview is a big thing and I question mine all the time. I appreciate when people thoughtfully challenge my views. They've helped educate and change my opinions on a number of issues. Whether or not one view is more true than another ought to be evaluated on the merits, not who holds said view. >>> You are so insecure you have to attack everyone that doesn't scream your predjudices. What prejudices Charlotte? "Insecure"? "Attack everyone"? Charlotte, rather than engage and answer genuine questions, you've been choosing to attack G-d and me almost from the start of this thread. Why not just have a friendly respectful discussion? >>> I thought under all the blustering pontification there was a well meaning person, but you have insulated yourself with yes men on badweb and percieve every differing viewpoint as a threat. What is not "well-meaning" about thoughtful discussion and a desire to seek truth? What is thoughtful about proclaiming disbelief in a "god of hate"? The idea that I've insulated myself from opposing views here is unsupported by the evidence. On the contrary, I eagerly seek out thoughtful opposition. In fact I crave it. The trouble is that it's very difficult to find. In most cases, thouhtful discussion is turned into personal attacks and disdainful mischaracterizations of my beliefs. >>> Good for you, enjoy posting your fanatical opinions in the cess pool you have created. Gotta appreciate all the positive energy there.  why the hostility Charlotte? >>> I am out of here. Why not stay and rejoin thoughtful respectful debate? What are you afraid of? Why the hostile attacks? | ||
| Moxnix |
Bueller?....Bueller?....Char?....Char?.... | ||
| Drkside79 |
Ok I will ask one more time. Why are you spelling God as G-d? Please satisfy my curiosity and excuse me if it was already answered and i missed it.. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Blake Part of the problem lies in your second post. Chars pic was meant to be funny. To ridicule those who twists Gods word into hate. Instead of just laughing and knowing that the WBC are fools you turned the conversation serious and directed it back to the same old "Gays are bad emkay" debate we have had time after time. Now admittedly her pic is a parody on that very topic but it was just that a parody. I cannot speak for Char and nor do I want to but honestly IMO her hostility stems from frustration just like many before. | ||
| Reindog |
Some threads are meant to be humorous and nothing more, so lighten up, ye men of G-d. There is no need for "thoughtful debate" here. | ||
| Reindog |
Right on, Andy. | ||
| Blake |
PK, I appreciate your perspective, but in reviewing the thread, I must disagree. It seems to me that this thread is a perfect place to discuss religion. The thread title itself refers to what? The opening post's depiction emphasizes, quotes and references what? Are you unaware that the outrageous behavior of the Westboro heretics has been eagerly exploited by anti Christian haters trying to paint all Christians, Christianity, and even G-d as intolerant, hateful bigots? I sure don't see how offering a clarification concerning the quoted scripture is in any way problematic. It is important to me that people not be misled, joke or not. Isn't it odd that the depiction offers no play on words referring to Westboro? There were no personal attacks or derogatory comments until the third post. Odd that Charlotte cannot bring herself to offer that she meant no offense towards Christians or the G-d or scripture that we hold dear. It now seems pretty clear that her repeated "god of hate" references refer to G-d of the bible, no exceptions. Maybe I'm wrong on that. I hope I'm wrong, which is why I posed specific questions. I'm not at all sure that "we all agree that G-d isn't the dreadful deity that WBC makes Him out to be." Third post and later repeats of the same proclamation beg the question, no? If it really was purely in jest, does such a proclamation have any place here by the thread author? On homosexuality, I agree, and in no way want to turn the thread into another discussion about homosexuality. Theology and philosophy are much more interesting. Again, I very much appreciate your thoughtful analysis. | ||
| Blackm2 |
Drkside, this may be the reason: "The custom of substituting the word "God" with G-d in English is based on the traditional practice in Jewish law of giving God's Hebrew name a high degree of respect and reverence. When written or printed, God's Hebrew name (and many of the stand in names used to refer to God) cannot be erased or destroyed." Or not. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Lets make a parady of muslim extremists. What would that consist of? It would have to represent and only make fun of the small percent of the muslim community (extremists) but it should be humorous just like this pic. Just as long as it focus's on the extremists and not the majority of the muslim community. Somebody could think up something can't they? All-h hates pigs? All-h hates Mickey Mouse? Come-on peoples.... | ||
| Blake |
Andy, >>> Part of the problem lies in your second post. Yes, woe unto me to reveal the heretical nature of the Westboro creeps and their bigoted message. >>> Chars pic was meant to be funny. Mocking and mischaracterizing scripture is never funny to me. >>> To ridicule those who twists Gods word into hate. I'm all for that. I'm also for helping people understand the true meaning of the words, in context, and their relative importance in the Christian faith. >>> Instead of just laughing and knowing that the WBC are fools you turned the conversation serious and directed it back to the same old "Gays are bad emkay" debate we have had time after time. I've never made any such argument, nor was that my intent here. If you are a Christian, then you ought to know that we are ALL sinners (you call it "bad") and thus we ALL fall infinitely short of the unsurpassable goodness that is G-d. Neither you nor I nor anyone is much better than the other relative to the unsurpassable goodness of G-d, which is why in the person of Jesus He subjected Himself to us, to torture, torment and humiliation, to suffering, to death, separation from the Father, so that we may be redeemed from our less than perfectly good, sinful, (bad) nature. I recently adopted the Jewish convention of reverence and respect for G-d by avoiding writing the full spelling anywhere it might be erased. Thanks to my good friend Scott Patten for that. >>> Now admittedly her pic is a parody on that very topic but it was just that a parody. I cannot speak for Char and nor do I want to but honestly IMO her hostility stems from frustration just like many before. So a parody must not be discussed or questioned, only laughed at? It's amazing to me how the idea of tolerance is such a one way street for some. We must tolerate all that they believe, never question or, heresy of heresy, offer contrary opinion, just hush up about our contrary beliefs, while they are mischaracterized, called hateful, mocked, lied about. Sorry. No. If hostility stems from frustration, it ought to be excused? If frustration arises from thoughtful questions, from a longtime friend no less, then something else may be in play. We all have our bad days. No big deal. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Seriously why aren't you typing out God?" I asked the same, no answer God God God God God God God God God God whats funny, is when I first read his post the first time he said 'G-d' I thought he was meaning 'Goddamnit' and thought 'wow, thats way out of character' Nah, its just him being scared to write the word apparently | ||
| Whistler |
An article on the names of God - http://bible.org/article/names-god | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Hybrid, read the post above yours particularly the part right before the smilie face. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
you condone figgotry and next .... there will be prunes chasing underage dates. | ||
| 86129squids |
 THANK YOU city, for the return to good humor! | ||
| Moxnix |
Speaking of Eastern metaphysics as a superior "way," I once asked a chap in New Delhi about the Hari Krishas. He said, "Only a fool utters the name of god in the marketplace." Honoring the traditions of a friend is rather commendable. (Unless you're a Christian, then it's another pagan stink bomb to toss that way). | ||
| Blake |
Like celebrating eggs and rabbits (fertility) on Easter! How true! | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Growing up in the country you know better than to eat any chocolate eggs a rabbit leaves behind. I always knew Peeps were evil... I think they're in league with the candy corn and those weird circus peanut things.... I mean seriously what are these things mad of? Madness and sugar I tell ya! | ||
| Drkside79 |
Blake, >>>>>Yes, woe unto me to reveal the heretical nature of the Westboro creeps and their bigoted message. *Sigh Here is what you wrote "Nor does G-d hate fags. It is the homosexual acts that run contrary to his will/nature. The big question is "what is G-d's true nature." Unsurpassable goodness?" Not sure i see anything about WBC. >>>>>Mocking and mischaracterizing scripture is never funny to me. Never happened in this thread at that time at least. Mocking of WBC was what was implied and portrayed. >>>>>So a parody must not be discussed or questioned, only laughed at? It's amazing to me how the idea of tolerance is such a one way street for some. We must tolerate all that they believe, never question or, heresy of heresy, offer contrary opinion, just hush up about our contrary beliefs, while they are mischaracterized, called hateful, mocked, lied about. Sorry. No Once again wasn't done IMO >>>>>If hostility stems from frustration, it ought to be excused? Yes and no. Glass house and such. Also Many times its hostility that drives to frustration. >>>>>We all have our bad days. No big deal. 100% agreed |
