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Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 11:04 am: | 
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It is also alittle bit paranoid to think that... the internet (your world) will come to a compete and utter end if this law passes... it's not impossible but it's very unlikely.
The internet has become the place for publishing. Laws must be made and abided by. You upload content and you could be a star the next day. (friday?) People are basically doing media distribution without know it. (or know it)
I wonder if an actual international war could be started over some internet law. Naa. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 11:53 am: |
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You are absolutely right Xdigitalx! No worries.
Did you sign your bike title over to me yet? I promise, after I get it, I'll send you 11tymillion dollars, and a signed bill of sale. Just send me the unconditional signed title first, and let me get that transferred into my name.
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Nik
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 11:53 am: |
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Xdigitalx... Have you read it?
Where does it actually say that you can't have repercussions for false claims?
In title I section 104
Where does it say, there is absolutely no due process?
In title I section 102, the attorney general applies for a court order, once served the US based sites have 5 days to comply by removing content (potentially legal for profit content that they will not get compensated for lost revenues for, or free speech content, or...), or risk being taken down. There is a presumption of guilt.
No one is saying laws are bad, and that pirating is good. Again there are laws in place to protect IP. And IP holders have a record of abusing those even now (According to Google 37% of the DMCA notices it receives are not valid.)
Why do we need more laws? Since you're so for SOPA, why do we need it specifically over the laws currently in place? What would it do to protect IP that DMCA doesn't? |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 01:21 pm: |
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I am not for it or against it. No, I did not read it but it seems like it just needs to be less vague. 
the papers need to be filed for the attorney general so he know what he is filing against... then how much time is there between when
"the attorney general applies for the court order" and the "served" client actually knows whats going on?? (after that they have 5 days to comply?) I don't care about lost revenue crap during this process as everyone's situation will be different. The process just needs to be fair. What may be fair to you, may not be to others. I do not know if the time it takes to contact the attorney general and supply evidence (verbally or written) and convince him to apply for a court order and how or when the alleged violator is contacted, and served. But 5 days after some point they have to be in court to show compliance or defend.
THEN the site may get shut down depending on the outcome of the case.
Why do we need more laws? That's an excellent question to ask your representative. |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 01:22 pm: |
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Reep... you wanna take over my payments? I have 2 more years to go.  |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 01:44 pm: |
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"This bill would establish a system for taking down websites that the Justice Department determines to be DEDICATED to copyright infringement"
I have to read more... but alot the hype is speculation. the law is too vague.. once it is cleared up ... some will still argue but most will comply.
I know many stupid laws that were written, like the one where my new employer gets a threatening letter stating they will have penalties and fines $$$$ if they do not garnish my wages (take a % of my earned money and send in a check) for child support. If they do not comply or decide to fire me because of it, THEY are liable for the payments not me. lol
That have NEVER happened in my experience. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 02:36 pm: |
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quote:Reep... you wanna take over my payments? I have 2 more years to go.
Of course I probably will! I'll probably give you free beer for life as well!
No worries! Just send that signed title over, let me transfer the bike to my name, and I'll... uh... fix it later... and stuff. |
Nik
| | Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 07:06 pm: |
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/justice-fbi-crack -megaupload/story?id=15396526
Hey look, a pirating site shut down without SOPA/PIPA.
Why do we need this law? |
Bandm
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 12:46 pm: |
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Congress withdraws SOPA, PIPA anti-piracy measures
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46072484/ns/technology _and_science-security/ |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 12:51 pm: |
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You may now resume downloading...... |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 01:02 pm: |
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I have to admit I'm pretty conflicted on all of this and haven't really been able to nail down why. I think part of it finally hit me.
No doubt that copyright law and patent law have many parallels. Both were created to protect the ideas of the creative. Where they are really diverging with this new proposed legislation is the involvement of the Justice Dept. I've never heard of the government jumping in to shut down a company because they were infringing on someone's patent. That has been the status quo for ages now. Yet it was always very easy for company A to steal ideas from company B by producing products that use engineering done by the competition.
My big question is why is the government all of a sudden worried about protecting intellectual property only when the means of said theft is through a revolutionary communications medium. That's the part that would worry me. They still have no problem with a company that steals through ignoring patent law. Seems telling to me. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 04:01 pm: |
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The government seems determined to turn out the lights on the digital age. And this is with or without SOPA or the other bills that were only this week shouted down by the global digital community on Blackout Wednesday. The very next day after support for that legislation collapsed after an impressive mass protest, the FBI and the Justice Department demonstrated that they don’t have to pay any attention to all this silly clamor. Congress, legislation, polling, debates, politicians, the will of the people — it’s all a sideshow to these people.
The FBI and Justice Department on their own initiative shut down megaupload.com, the biggest of thousands of file-sharing sites online, and arrested four of its top officials. The FBI is hunting down three others who seem to be on the lam. They all face extradition and twenty years in prison. As part of the sweep, the feds issued 20 search warrants and arrived at individual houses in helicopters. They cut their way into houses, threatened with guns, confiscated $50 million in assets, and outright stole 18 domain names and many servers.
And what is their grave crime? They are accused of abetting copyright infringement, that is, permitting the creating of copies of ideas expressed in media. No violence, no fraud, no force, no victims (but plenty of corporate moguls who claim without proof that their profits are lower as a result of file sharing).
Megaupload had millions of happy users. It was the 71st most popular website in the world. Only 2% of its traffic came from search engines, which means that its customer base was loyal and collected through the hard work and entrepreneurship of site owners. For its users, it was a wholly legitimate service. For the owners, their profits were hard earned through advertising.
But the government saw it differently. And contrary to what many people believe, the already-existing law permits the government to do pretty much whatever it wants, as this case shows. The government relied on a 2008 law to make criminal instead of civil charges. A newly created IP taskforce is the one that worked with the foreign governments to seal the deal.
In the end, it was a presentation of exactly the nightmare scenario that anti-SOPA protesters said would happen if SOPA had passed. It turns out, as the deeper realms of the state already knew, that all of this was possible with no Congressional action at all. Congress doesn’t need to do anything. We can watch the debates, go to the polls, elect people to represent us, and perform all the rest of the rituals of the civic religion but none of it matters. Power is here, active, oppressive, in charge, permanent, regardless of what you might believe.
Might it be that some of the users’ shared content on Megaupload was copyright protected? Absolutely. It is nearly impossible not to violate the law, as shown by SOPA sponsor Lamar Smith’s own campaign website, which used an unattributed background image in technical violation of the law. The leading opponent of piracy might himself be a pirate!
But the trendline with Megaupload was clearly toward using the space to launch new artists with new content: not piracy but creativity. As Wired.uk wrote, this crackdown came shortly after Megaupload announced music producer Swizz Beatz — married to Alicia Keys — as their CEO. They had rallied a whole host of musicians including Will.i.am, P Diddy, Kanye West and Jamie Foxx to endorse the cloud locker service. Megaupload was building a legitimate system for artists to make money and fans to get content.
What’s this all about? It is some powerful corporate lobbyists trying to prevent the emergence of an alternative system of art and music delivery, one powered by people rather than merely the well- connected.
The Internet’s great glory is its seemingly magical capacity for distributing information of all sorts universally unto infinity. The idea of the state’s regulations on information — instituted by legislators in the 19th century — is that this trait is deeply dangerous and must be stopped. So it is inevitable that the powers that be will try to shut it down; copyright enforcement is only the most convenient Taser of choice.
This is the battle for whether the digital age is permitted to exist in an atmosphere of free speech, free association, free enterprise, and real property rights, or whether it will be controlled by government in conjunction with aging media moguls from monopolistic corporate oligarchies. The lines are clearly drawn, and it is taking place in real time.
Example: within minutes after the officials of Megaupload were arrested, a global hacker group called Anonymous shut down the Justice Department’s website and also the sites of the Motion Picture, the Recording Industry Association of America, Universal music, and BMI — the major lobbying forces in Washington for restriction and reaction against the Internet.
In another stage of the great battle over information freedom, the Supreme Court, on the very day of the SOPA protests, handed down a decision that could have a devastating effect in the months and years ahead. It permitted the re-copyrighting of works that are already in the public domain so that the domestic law accords with the international law. If that sounds like no big deal, consider that many local orchestras have already changed their season lineup to remove some major works from their repertoire because they can no longer handle the licensing fees.
It’s hard to know what to call this but cultural masochism.
Regardless of how the legal struggles turn out, a culture of rational and irrational fear has gripped the web. I’ve noticed this growing over the last months, but just this week, it has become worse, to the point of paranoia and even mania. The successful protests against SOPA only ended up causing the censors to redouble their efforts, and the message is getting out: almost everything you want to do online could be illegal.
A small sample of what I mean. Just this morning I received the following email: “BBC Four recently broadcast a stunningly beautiful documentary called God’s Composer (Tomas Luis da Victoria) hosted by Robert Russell Beale. A friend in Rome sent me a link to it, but I’m not sure I’m free to share it. Have you seen this documentary? It is stunning both visually and musically.”
Not free to share a link? What? To be sure, I don’t know whether he intended to send me to the BBC or some other site that is hosting an additional copy of it. Regardless, this is what it has come down to: a belief that every email is traced, every site is monitored, every act of individual volition on the web could be a crime, every website is vulnerable to an overnight takedown, every domain owner could be subject to arrest and jail.
The battle between power and freedom dates to the beginning of recorded history, and we are seeing it play out right before our eyes in the digital age. It’s as if at the beginning of the Bronze Age, the leading tribal chieftain made smelting ore illegal, or if at the transition from iron to steel, the ruling elite put a cap on the temperature of refining ovens, or if at the beginning of flight, some despot declared the whole enterprise to be too risky and economically damaging to the industry that depended on land travel.
In the current version, the issue of “intellectual property” is at the forefront of this battle. The first most people heard of this was on Blackout Wednesday when Wikipedia went black. This is a taste of the future in a world in which power achieves victory after victory while the rest of the world cowers with fear in darkening times.
As we watch the battle between freedom and censorship escalate, we find ourselves standing at an important crossroad in history. I, for one, salute the advocates of free speech who are targeted by the Feds daily for nothing more than sharing infinitely reproducible information and spreading invaluable ideas...the very basis for human evolution and understanding.
On the other hand, I'm excited by the thought that the state, led by the goons and spooks at the (In)Justice Department, has just picked a fight that will eventually destroy itself if it continues this path. When the music industry went up against Napster, it won the court battle...but eventually lost the war. File sharing changed the entertainment industry forever...to the vast and unfolding benefit of consumers everywhere and the well-deserved punishment of entrenched, state-protected monopolies that tried to stop them.
Freedom will prevail here, too.
Hollywood and the music industry are big campaign contributors to our current president. Our current president controls the DOJ. He is not a friend of freedom.
I stand in unwavering solidarity with the champions of freedom, even if I have to move to South America to do observe them from afar. No kidding. |
Fahren
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 04:41 pm: |
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Really good TED talk on the subject:
http://www.ted.com/talks/defend_our_freedom_to_sha re_or_why_sopa_is_a_bad_idea.html |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 05:17 pm: |
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You should get out and play some sports. |
Fahren
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 06:38 pm: |
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? WTF ? |
Froggy
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 06:49 pm: |
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quote:You should get out and play some sports.
Unable to comprehend something? Resort to insults.
Found this today, sad but true.
Good thing SOPA died, but it is only one battle in a war against corrupt politicians that were bought out by corporations. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 07:05 pm: |
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Sports? Lecturing people about how the system works is exercising my freewill and works me into a sweat. |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 07:42 pm: |
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How is making a suggestion an insult?
IMHO, your supposed lecture seems weak and one sided.
I stand in unwavering solidarity with the champions of freedom, even if I have to move to South America to do observe them from afar. No kidding.
I will contribute to the cost of your plane ticket. No kidding. |
Boltrider
| | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 09:26 pm: |
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"Follow the money" is a timeless phrase indeed. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 12:04 am: |
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I'm not insulted.
Of course my lecture is one sided. But weak? Well the story is still unfolding.
Send as much $$ as you like. I'm thinking about a house on a golf course in NW Argentina's wine country.
(Message edited by moxnix on January 22, 2012) |
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