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Blake
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




I wonder what he'd say today given the chance. He was a brave visionary man.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Text of his famous and inspirational speech:

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

We cannot turn back.

There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only." We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."2

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!


And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

Free at last! Free at last!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
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Drkside79
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Amen Dr King.

May your soul rest in peace!
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Moxnix
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was stationed in Millington when Dr. King was assassinated and when James Earl Ray was flown back from London to our base instead of the municipal airport. The streets around the jail were blocked off and the windows covered with armor plating.

This holiday always reminds me of those uneasy times.
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Gearhead
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We need this kind of great thinker, speaker and activist today more than ever!
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

good post Blake

Shame we dont have people like him now really making a difference.
And I, too, wonder what he'd have to say about today.
Our country has come a long way since his time, but still so much further to go
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Blake
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny thing is that the leftists today won't have it. Too much "god" talk for their palate.

The leftist Dems conveniently forget that the march on Washington took place while Democrats, the party of the Klan, controlled the entire federal gov't.

They conveniently forget that it was Republicans who had been advocating for civil rights for almost a century and it was the Democrats who had opposed them for the entire time.

They conveniently forget that a significantly higher percentage of Republicans in congress voted in favor of the civil rights act compared to Democrats.

It's utterly bewildering how the leftists running our media and working the system have been able to rewrite history. Liars.
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm listening to NPR (yes, National Public Radio) as I do every day- they've got some great coverage in remembrance of Dr. King.

I humbly ask that we think kindly, and reverentially, of the good that he sought and accomplished.





WITHOUT THE G-DAMN POLITICS for a change.





God Bless those who do this work, the Lord's work, and make our world a better place.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fair enough.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You know you are just posting this, Blake, to detract from your racist beliefs. : |
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Damnut
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They conveniently forget that it was Republicans who had been advocating for civil rights for almost a century and it was the Democrats who had opposed them for the entire time.


Not knowing much about politics, I have to ask. Weren't the Kennedy's for Civil rights, specifically RFK? I'm pretty sure they were hardcore Dems as well.
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Mtjm2
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FT . thats funny right there !

I dont think he would be to happy with Rev. Jackson or the NAALCP .
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Weren't the Kennedy's for Civil rights, specifically RFK?


Pragmatically speaking, yes.

Kennedy was so for civil rights that he voted against Eisenhower's 1957 Civil Rights Act.

It was sponsored by Republicans with Democrats being split. Kennedy had eyes on running for President, and he voted against the bill in order to appear strong in the eyes of Democrat leadership.

Like our current President, Kennedy was a political opportunist (RFK doubly so) without much real conviction on the subject of Civil Rights until the decision on which way to go had already been decided and public sentiment was already behind it.
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Strokizator
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Harry Truman desegregated the military. Under Eisenhower and Kennedy schools started integrating - sometimes by force. Johnson was a full-on civil rights guy.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Johnson was a full-on civil rights guy.




"That g*ddamn nigger preacher may drive me out of the White House."

--LBJ
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Davegess
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

None of them were all that interested in it. If King and his ilk hadn't been causing such an uproar AND Kennedy had not been killed the Civil Rights Act may never have passed. Johnson was able to use Kennedy's death as a lever to get it passed. The Dixiecrats were dead against as was just about every white politician in the south.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2012 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

as was just about every white Democrat in the south.

Johnson didn't want it passed either.


"We have lost the South for a generation."
--LBJ


He signed only because he had to. He was a pragmatist. Of course he is going to take credit for the Civil Rights Act. It was popular.

"I'm signing this into law under duress. I hate black people." just doesn't play well.
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Drkside79
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on this thread went political? Fine so be it. Times change and parties change. I wonder who the Klan voted for in the last election? Doubt it was for the Dems...

Oh and then their was David Duke. Tried to be a Dem got no where. Became a Republican made it to the LA house of Rep... Oh then got 30% ofthe vote to be Gov.

Now do I think all Republicans are racist. NO So stop lumping the dems with the klan because of the past.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not trying to be political. Just trying to correct some revisionist history.

Many today would have you believe that the Republicans were against any sort of Civil Rights legislation and it was LBJ who rode in on his white horse and saved the day.

It simply isn't so.

Vote count





President Johnson, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Rosa Parks at the signing of the Voting Rights Act on August 6, 1965.
The two numbers in each line of this list refer to the number of representatives voting in favor and against the act, respectively.

Senate: 77–19
Democrats: 47–17 (73%-27%)
Republicans: 30–2 (94%-6%)

House: 333–85
Democrats: 221–61 (78%-22%)
Republicans: 112–24 (82%-18%)

Conference Report:

Senate: 79–18
Democrats: 49–17 (four Southern Democrats voted in favor: Albert Gore, Sr., Ross Bass, George Smathers and Ralph Yarborough).

Republicans: 30–1 (the lone nay was Strom Thurmond; John Tower who did not vote was paired as a nay vote with Eugene McCarthy who would have voted in favor.)

House: 328–74
Democrats: 217–54
Republicans: 111–20
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Cowboy
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just so you understand the resentment of whites to blacks in south----as I under stand it there was about 30% more indentured servants than there was slaves, as a slave was very expensive and the white servants were free the slaves were treated much better than whites. and that is where the resentment started.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder what he'd say today given the chance. He was a brave visionary man.

In all likelihood you'd not care for him much. Ever wonder what he was spouting on about between 1965 and when he was killed?

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2269

He'd likely be leading the OWS effort.

Brilliant mind in his time, but I'm not sure I'd have been able to get on board with what he wanted at the end of his life.

(Message edited by xl1200r on January 17, 2012)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cowboy, I'd not go there. I've never witnessed a valid argument that African slaves were treated "better" than indentured servants. Nor have I seen credible reports that indentured servants so significantly outnumbered slaves in the South. Slaves were expensive? Then why did slavery exist in the South? Please. That dog won't hunt my friend. The initial capital outlay may have been significant, but from there on out it was near nil. Just enough for bare essentials.

We would certainly never ever contend that the antisemitism in Europe was instigated in Germany during WW-II due to Jews being treated better than Gypsies, would we? Such an analogy is tenuous, but not too far off the mark to make the point. The millions of enslaved Africans, at least the ones who died during transport, surely amount to a holocaust of sorts.

All foreign non-Anglo ethnic immigrant groups like the Irish, then the Italians suffered resentment when they took up work for less pay than others would accept. When the slaves were freed, they not only suffered that issue, but were also subject to the bigots' despicable miserable racist lies that Negroes were inferior or subhuman. All the lies concocted to justify the deplorable treatment of African slaves and the very institution of slavery. It was that disgusting bigotry on a large scale that posed such a massive hurdle to prosperity and justice for Negroes. It lingers still today, though thankfully it is vehemently opposed by our popular culture.

I for one will NEVER knowingly ride with a bigot of any sort.

From the outset, only about half of the poor souls who were ripped from their homes in Africa even survived their brutal transport to America. The slave trade was utterly and entirely deplorable. Families ripped apart, people worked nearly to death, whipped, beaten, murdered, treated worse than animals. We should make no efforts whatsoever to try to rationalize bigotry and racism. There simply are no valid arguments there, ever.

(Message edited by Blake on January 17, 2012)
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Whistler
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I enjoy good letters, papers, speeches, sermons, and such. For some of Doctor King's go to...
http://www.mlkonline.net/speeches.html
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XL,

You may be right, but a few cherry-picked quotes cannot reflect the truth of the man. No one is saying he was infallible. What is very interesting is that all the examples your article cited were in opposition to a government completely controlled by the Democrats. King was way ahead of his time. The anti-war movement only really got legs after a Republican became president. The leftist never want to eat their own. Since Korea, Democrats like to start wars, but can't find the resolve to win them. See Harry Reid and all his fellow anti-war after they were pro-war Dems. Despicable defeatist scum.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"despicable miserable racist lies that Negroes were inferior or subhuman"


Actually...this is pretty interesting.

Geneticists have found traces of Neanderthal DNA in all races save one: Black Africans.

Seems the waves of Homo Sapiens that spread out from Africa interbred with the indigenous populations already in those areas. The real humans are Blacks, and the rest of the races are Human-Neanderthal hybrid mutts.

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it White Supremacists!
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> Not trying to be political. Just trying to correct some revisionist history.

Well said Jeremy! Thank you!


The civil rights act passed in 1964 was largely drawn from the original Republican bill offered in 1875.

In March 1875, the Republican-controlled 43rd Congress followed up the GOP’s 1866 Civil Rights Act and 1871 Civil Rights Act with the most comprehensive civil rights legislation ever. A Republican president, Ulysses Grant, signed the bill into law that same day.

Among its provisions, the 1875 Civil Rights Act banned racial discrimination in public accommodations. Sound familiar? Though struck down by the Supreme Court eight years later, the 1875 Civil Rights Act would be reborn as the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

from http://biggovernment.com/mzak/2010/05/31/republica n-roots-of-the-1964-civil-rights-act/


Jeff,

That's very interesting. Do you have a good source so I can defiantly throw it in the face of bigots? The best I found via a quick news site google is http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57347040/what- science-learned-about-human-ancestors-in-2011/ .
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Google this:

neanderthal dna in humans

There are many hits, most from reputable sources. I don't remember where I read it the first time, but this hit (from the search above) talks about it.

http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderth al-110718.html
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Cowboy
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake I do not want to be arguementive and I do beleave in true history I want to be fair what I am saying that my ansistors were treated just as bad as slaves I do think that slavery is a very bad thing. How everI cant see my people as being treaded better than slaves (althou it was at a different point in history) As late as WW1 some of them were denied entry to USA and the ship was turned around and sent out of New York harbor.American Indian/ Jew I have Forgiven all of the past I just wish the other paarty could do the same. I am sorry if I have ofined any one.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree my friend. I know you didn't intend any injustice to anyone. Was just concerned others might read it that way.

It's WAY too nice out. I gotta get out for a ride.
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