| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
I think there is an excellent chance, absent a republican candidate, that o will be her 4 more years. The good news s that many folks have taken measures to protect themselves. To me he's but a nuisance I'm more concerned for my Grandchildren. The mess he's making will impact the next 3 generations. | ||
| Syonyk |
Had two good conversations over the weekend . One with my older sister, one with a libtard whos views I think very highly of . I wish I could find some good conversations... Most of the liberal-leaning types I interact with will happily spout views until I actually try to engage in discussion. Then facts come out. And... they usually stop talking much.  I miss a friend of mine from Iowa - we'd go out to Perkins at midnight & talk politics for hours. We disagreed on just about everything, but she was able to defend her views nicely and debate calmly instead of just saying "Yeah? Well... you're just a REPUBLICAN" or some other conversation ending slur. And if I didn't have well thought out points, she'd call me on it. I miss that. Sadly, I don't trust the Republican party to have enough of a clue to beat Obama in 2012. They've successfully defined themselves as being "NOT THE DEMOCRATS." And... that's about it, as far as I can tell. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
“Everything we fought for in the last election is now at stake in the next election,” Obama said. “The very core of what this country stands for is on the line.” You should understand that he hates everything American or Christian and when he says the base is at stake... he means to revoke what is left standing. While he is giving us a rope a dope with his doses of Socialism... watch what he is doing with the Executive powers and his favorite political pak party - Muslim Radical Fundamentalists.... I don't like him, I don't trust him, and it will easily take 3 generations, or a zombie apocolypse to fix his collasal F*ck ups. | ||
| Fahren |
At the risk of preaching to the choir... I'm not sure, but it sounds like Reindog just called the lot of you red state types "Choirboys." LOL :-) | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>O will get 4 more Probably true. I have yet to see a Republican candidate I like. As Such so far O has my vote. Temper that with the fact that there is 11 months of debates to watch before I cast it. (Message edited by drkside79 on November 28, 2011) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
 Obama will loose with a close-to historical low. It will be over, before it is anywhere near over. But I am sure he will appreciate your vote. | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>Obama will loose with a close-to historical low. It will be over, before it is anywhere near over. But I am sure he will appreciate your vote. Maybe. It depends if elections follow historic patterns than your statement will be true. However if the ever dangerous 18-35 year olds come out again in force. He will win. Be it because youth is easily duped with promises of "Change" or if it is because the "Old Republican" image does nothing for them. Their votes count the same. Perhaps the Republicans may want to learn that and stop throwing out old fuddy duddies. If they do the Dems will learn that "rockstars" ala Kennedy and Obama will easily motivate the young. Oh and I'd wadger that the 18-35 group outnumbers any other group. 35-50 or 50 +. It's just always been a question of wheter or not they actually vote. | ||
| Sifo |
If BO turns the "Why We Couldn't" campaign into a victory he will have the ability to be twice as bad as Carter. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Where is my post from months ago saying BO would win, or the election would be called off because of "national emergency"? Anyway I stand by that one. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Dark the Boomer still out number 18 35 group which is another reason SSI is in trouble and why they really want illegals paying but never collect SSI | ||
| Court |
Hahahaha . . . ya gotta love the 1%'ers. . . these guys, each earning over $1,000,000/yr . . up and win something like $254,000,000. I wonder what the "spread the wealth" gang will have to say? Too bad that it's going to take more than a mere $34,000,000 each to put them in the top 1% in their neighborhood.  I'm getting word that most of it will be donated to charity. http://www.businessweek.com/finance/occupy-wall-st reet/archives/2011/11/this_game_cant_be_rigged_sup posedly.html | ||
| Fahren |
Very clear insight into why crackdowns are occurring against occupy groups: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica /2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy ?CMP=twt_gu It seems that the occupy folks have stumbled upon the idea that Congressmen and women should not be allowed to trade on insider information and come out of DC as millionaires, profiting greatly from their time in office. And this gripe hits too close to home (or rather, to the wallet) for a good number of our elected representatives. Enter the Department of Homeland Security. Dark times for the U.S.A. Civil liberties? Yeah, I remember those... but it's been a while. I want to say I don't care what your outlook on these occupy folks is, and that it's way more important to look at how the powers that be are coming down hard on them to see that they have actually, wittingly or not, hit some serious nerves with their vague protesting. But actually, I do care what your outlook is. But having said that, it's still more important to look at issues of suppression, censoring, and intimidating by what appears to be increasingly Federalized police activity. This is real, and it doesn't look good. | ||
| Court |
The occupy message ........ If in fact there is one beyond free beer and allow drums after curfew.....is largely falling on deaf ears. If I did any of the shit they're doing I'd be arrested pronto. Them filing suit to protect "their "right" to break the law" gains little favor anywhere. Where are real hippies when we need them? :-) | ||
| Fahren |
If I did any of the shit they're doing I'd be arrested pronto. Um, that would be members of Congress you are referring to? http://www.moneytrendsresearch.com/how-can-america ns-ever-trust-congress-after-they-have-been-expose d-for-their-shameless-insider-trading/ | ||
| Moxnix |
>>>Message coordination of this kind . . . See: perception management, long a part of the news, private consultants planting stories, joining forums to post one side's influence. Newsies carry water for their favorite politicians and issues on right and left. It's all a ruse. History is written by the winners. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Court did you date hippie chicks tell the truth? | ||
| Court |
"Court's not here man..........." | ||
| Court |
Congress or the idiots ........ They're oscillating on similar frequencies ..... Try pitching a tent in a park in NYC and telling the cop who ask you to eave to •••• himself .......... Ticket to Rikers. They do it at Columbia as well. Foreign students ( totally funded by you and I by the way including airfare and limo to and fo JFK) take over the area in front of Buter. If you or I set foot in that grass ..... It'd get ugly. They hold their " hunger strikes" there. It's always fun though as the college Republicans always set up a dozen BBQ grills and cook n front of the hunger stikers. You can also buy fruit, 3 pieces for $5, to throw in the doors of their tents. Nothing like a good protest. The hung strikes always end well before anyone gets very hungry........ This ain't Dick Gregory. | ||
| Sifo |
Fahren, You continue to amaze me with the sources you cite. For a person that cautions others on choosing reliable sources this gets pretty funny. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica /2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy ?CMP=twt_gu What an article from Naomi Wolf, a person who herself has been arrested while protesting at OWS. Hardly an impartial journalist. Never mind the blanket attack on her credibility though, lets look at the "facts" she presents in her article. "An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear" The elderly woman she speaks of was, according to her own FaceBook page pepper sprayed by the police on multiple occasions before it was caught on video tape. Many in the media claimed her to be just an elderly woman who got caught up in the police violence. The truth is that she is a repeat offender of getting into it with the police at OWS. The dumb-asses pepper sprayed at UC Davis were also disobeying lawful orders from the police to disperse because they were blocking movement of other citizens. They had plenty of warning and were told exactly what the consequences would be. I missed where they were dragged off by their hair. Never even heard that allegation before. With as much negative media attention that incident got it's hard to believe that dragging them off by their hair would have been overlooked. I think she completely made that part up. I think she also made up the part about police targeting people based on gender. I've seen zero evidence of that, and she certainly fails to support it here. Let's move to more interesting things though... "The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process." Really? Get money out of politics? Did she happen to notice all the union support of OWS? Never mind her ridiculous claim of "boundless sums" of cash, which is totally false. Clearly they are only concerned about cash from corporations, but cash from unions is just fine and dandy. It's blatantly clear that this is a very hypocritical position to take, both as a point of protest and in her reporting. To use their own reasoning though, a union is no more a person that a corporation. Great reporting though! "No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks." Restore Glass-Steagall - their number 2 concern? Has anyone seen any signs that support this idea? I know I haven't. I think that might be her number 2 concern, but she is claiming to speak for the group. Never mind the fact that it completely ignores the roll Fannie and Freddie played in creating all the bad mortgages in the first place. The mortgages would have defaulted regardless of who was holding the paper. "No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors." Again, has anyone seen any evidence of this claim from the protestors? ANY? This wasn't even in the news when OWS was started. No doubt it's a worthwhile issue, but the idea that this is even on the OWS radar strains against reality. What does this even have to do with Wall Street at all? It's purely an issue of the politicians that have gotten a pass from OWS from day one. Her linking of the DHS to any of this is close to pure fantasy. To anyone paying any attention it's clear that the response to OWS has been handled strictly locally. Local decision making. Local LEOs. No sign of them being organized by DHS at all. Perhaps she feels power thinking that her band of hippies are being target by DHS, but that would be coming from her own delusions of grandeur. Having said that, I have little doubt that the time may come when they do get cleared out and detained under DHS laws. That after all, is the roll of the useful idiot, which describes Naomi Wolf quite well. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Glass Stegall is no longer relavent, they would have to repeal SOX B for that to have any merit at all.... and they are not about to do that; and having read the largess of financial bill that they passed one week after the PPACA.... they are indeed not about to limit banks ability to fund their silliness - but cheer up - it will grant them further access and ease into your accounts remember comrade - no private property - especially not private funds. | ||
| Aesquire |
Fahren, seems we agree that politicians sure seem to be dishonest a lot, and share a desire for actual civil liberties. I'm a bit concerned that you and others are being fooled by the deliberate violence of the protesters being played as victims by some of the "media". The Occupiers are creating the false impression they are being picked on. I'm also concerned about the false impression that the Occupiers are a bunch of hippie scum yearning for the old days. Sure, some are, but the funding and power here is pretty damn evil. Marxist/Alinskyite. I'm also concerned that some don't see the problems with the poor police who are assaulted by these pieces of crap. People are being hurt, bad, permanently. Good cops. I'm also concerned that the police are, in some few cases, violating American citizens rights. Sure, they may be hippie scum,, but they also might be your children. You poor sucker. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Once you grant unlimited powers to the Federal government, why would you be outraged or surprised when those elected to execute that government grant themselves unlimited powers as well? The greater the power the greater the opportunity for grift. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Six APCs with armed troops, scouts on rooftops, intel on com - 'Civil Disobedience' was about to have a very tactical solution.... and it will repeat. WTO was practice and warn notice for all that is coming down the pike - if you think police response is out of line - wait until Team Green hits the deck. We have had ten YEARS of history and training in MACDIS - Military Action against Civil Disturbance ..... one little powder keg is all it takes - NOvember 2012 will be very interesting indeed. | ||
| Aesquire |
We're not even close to the Conventions.... Remember 1968? That's when the real violence gets going. Mark my words. | ||
| Chauly |
Speaking of '68, I just finished a military history called "Maverick Generals" by David Rooney, a Brit author. Good read, histories of several maverick military leaders that made a difference by being very different: Alexander the Great, Patton, Garibaldi, Ord Wingate, and finished up with Giap and the Viet Nam war. He was doing fine until he was describing the political situation in the 60's. He correctly asserted that Johnson escalated the war without a plan to win it (as opposed to Giap, in it to win it, no matter how long it takes). But then he states that Johnson lost the '68 election to Nixon because of the VN debacle underway. Huh? (Of course, I'd have trouble keeping track of British PM's and their governments, I suppose...) But it did get me to thinking about the '68 convention in Chicago, how contentious it was, even to a 13 year-old. What do y'all think Charlotte is going to be like? It's a pretty sedate, conservative city, and they probably won't take too kindly to Chicago-style agitprop coming in from elsewhere... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Concealed carry state. Match, meet tinder. | ||
| Kenm123t |
OWS gets whipped and sent back north I ll put my money on the locals They have a lot of Marines living there! | ||
| Slaughter |
At least back in the day there were common goals (until the Yippies got in the loop and corrupted the entire peace movement) I bring you 1968 and Chicago (Democratic Convention) Chicago Graham Nash (Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young) Though your brother's bound and gagged And they've chained him to a chair Won't you please come to Chicago Just to sing In a land that's known as freedom How can such a thing be fair Won't you please come to Chicago For the help that we can bring We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... to get better Politicians sit yourself down There's nothing for you here Won't you please come to Chicago For a ride Don't ask Jack to help you 'Cause he'll turn the other ear Won't you please come to Chicago Or else join the other side We can change the world Re-arrange the world It's dying ... if you believe in justice It's dying ... and if you believe in freedom It's dying ... let a man live his own life It's dying ... rules and regulations, who needs them Open up the door Somehow people must be free I hope the day comes soon Won't you please come to Chicago Show your face From the bottum of the ocean To the mountains on the moon Won't you please come to Chicago No one else can take your place     | ||
| Reindog |
Fahren, I posted the Bill Whittle "What We Believe" episode mostly for you. Did you watch it, and if so, what do you think about it? | ||
| Zenbiker |
Ironic and prophetic. http://www.wimp.com/campingout/ |
