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     Jayvee |
The Marines are giving Hechler & Koch $23 million to build the new squad automatic rifle? It doesn't say if they will build them in the US or not. Didn't we just fight a war with againt the HK (nee Mauser) country about 10 years before I was born? Just saying...one of the last industries we still have in USA was weapons.
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| Chauly |
H&K have a presence in the US, at least for assembly. This came about due to the New Service Pistol competition a few years back. Beretta built their facility in Accokeek MD; I think that Sig-Sauer and H&K did likewise, somewhere. | |||
| Court |
I'm sitting 100 yards from where my favorite pistols are made.  God Bless America. | |||
| Mr_grumpy |
Toyota have a plant in France that build the Yaris, with a huge ad campaign to say it's French made. I'm sorry but Toyota is nonetheless a Japanese company, an assembly facility doesn't cut it for me. I suspect that's what Jayvee is getting at in this case. There's a big however though, which is, if it's the best tool for the job should the Marines have it because it would be unpatriotic not to give them the best possible kit, or not have it because it'd be unpatriotic to buy from overseas. Many men have died due to national pride coming before, common sense, when it comes to weapons procurement, and it's always a thorny argument, no matter which country or what weapons. | |||
| Whisperstealth |
Jayvee, haven't you seen Tucker? We've been buying crap from our former enemies for decades. Even military gear. Beretta is Italian. Hell haven't the Japs been making some of our military electronics gear for a while? | |||
| Chauly |
"I'm sitting 100 yards from where my favorite pistols are made. : ) God Bless America." You're in Maryland?  | |||
| Slaughter |
Colt lost the M-16 contract to FN a LONG ago - not Belgium but Columbia South Carolina. Same folks who make the M249 SAW. I would imagine the H&K will be domestic as well. If not the H&K, what WOULD YOU recommend? SACO defense was on the hook for the M60 and the last gasp of that weapon system was the M60A2 - only incidentally used by SEAL teams. (Message edited by slaughter on December 01, 2011) | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
80% of Coca-Cola's employees are outside of the US. Is Coca-Cola an "American" company? If the plant, the tooling, the personnel, and the materials are located in the US even though the Administrative headquarters is located outside the US, I'd say it's "Made in the USA". If we severed ties with Germany, we'd still have the capacity to produce the weapon system, wouldn't we? | |||
| Buellish |
I live 20 miles or so from Glock,in Georgia. | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
I live 40 miles from Barrett. | |||
| Chauly |
I sleep next to Horace, Daniel, Pietro, and Philo... and Karin, of course! | |||
| Blake |
I once made my own sling-shot. | |||
| Hootowl |
I once made my own muzzle loader ping pong ball pistol. Oddly, I felt safer firing it than I did making the fuse. | |||
| Chauly |
I have plans for a bowling ball mortar... | |||
| Fast1075 |
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| Johnnylunchbox |
Court, would that be Kimber? | |||
| Ducxl |
"Just saying..one of the last industries we still have in USA was weapons" Sure thing!! Making a living this very moment making breach plugs and something called a purch thingy for lblack powder measure for Thompson/Center..Smith&Wesson on cool CNC multis and turrets. Lots of profit | |||
| Gregtonn |
The German H&K 7.62 assault rifle that I used in the mid '70s was one of the best and most accurate I ever fired. I didn't care where a weapon was built as long as it could do what I needed it to do when I needed it to do it. G | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
Do you think the soldiers of WWI would have cared where the weapons system came from if they had had an answer to the Maxim Machine Gun? | |||
| 99savage |
Do you think the soldiers of WWI would have cared where the weapons system came from if they had had an answer to the Maxim Machine Gun? Vaguely amusing quirk of history: When designing the 1903 Springfield, Springfield Armory so thoroughly ripped off Mauser that the US was sending royalties to Germany DURING WW(1). p.s.: Maxim was an American - Just about every country bought his design but the US came late (Message edited by 99Savage on December 01, 2011) | |||
| Kenm123t |
They Got MAduece a little late for ww1 Troops needed a real SAW not a hot rodded M4 that melted! | |||
| Court |
Kimber, indeed. | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
Kimber, producers of fine nail drivers.  | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
I love date night: | |||
| Ft_bstrd |
I want one of these: | |||
| Kenm123t |
I had a Man from Uncle Version in the 60s cool | |||
| Bluzm2 |
Court, Try a Wilson Combat .45 (or 9mm), you'll never be happy with a Kimber again. My neighbor has both, I should have never shot either one of them.... Just saying...... | |||
| Buellriderx |
Apparently a Taurus .40 will blow up in your hand after about 1k rounds without a single cleaning  I will never (unless I have too) again shoot from someones' gun without breaking it down and making sure it's clean again. The bullet busted halfway out the right where my index finger was. Everyone there just about sh't their pants myself included | |||
| Trojan |
I'm sitting 100 yards from where my favorite pistols are made. God Bless America. I'm sitting hundereds of miles from where any pistols are made. God bless Great Britain | |||
| Thumper74 |
Not to get derailed, but how did lack of cleaning contribute to a failure of the gun, rather than contribute to malfunctions (stovepipes, FTF, FTE, etc.)? | |||
| Slaughter |
Thumper (James) - are you referring to the early M-16? Back VERY EARLY when the M16 was an AIR FORCE gun, they used IMR extruded double-base propellant. Gun fired cleaner than when the Gubmint changed to the ball-type powder which was dirtier. The SH!T hit the fan with all the failure-to-feed, failure-to-extract and Congress heard testimonies about dead soldiers and Marines with cleaning rods assembled TRYING to clear a jam after a fail-to-extract. The gas tube exhausts into the action and without cleaning, it just got cruddy. Changing training, changing procedures, adding the forward assist all helped... but it was still limited by the direct gas action. Recent re-design has come out with more conventional piston design (exhausting OUTSIDE the action) | |||
| Ltbuell |
..i'm a fan of the M-14(still am).When i was a tyke in the early 60's had a replica toy (full size)M-14 and fell in love with them then.LT |
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