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Strokizator
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It looks like I'll be needing to hire a few more people and in the past this was done mostly through word of mouth. I'm reluctant to even look for a young guy fresh out of school as it's been our experience they don't want to work. I chalk it up to the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality and these kids think they should get a prize just for showing up.

So I'm thinking, what about a returning vet? Aside from offering them a job being a patriotic thing to do, these guys have spent the last few years in some third world country getting a first hand view on how tough it is out there. They haven't been playing video games non-stop or sending out 100 text messages a day and would probably make a pretty good employee. Only thing is, where do I find them? There must be some agency out there but I don't recall seeing it.

Anybody know?
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Cataract2
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, you do have a few on here who are vets or currently serving with their ETS coming up.

Alas, you could check with your nearest base to ask about advertising directly to them on the base and they could also direct you to where you would send the word to.

Just for my own curiosity, what is the job?

(Message edited by cataract2 on November 17, 2011)
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Aschem
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello,

The majority of vets are excellent workers.

If you are still in Fresno, you can try the county VA office.

Cheers
Monte
US Army Retired


http://www.co.fresno.ca.us/departmentpage.aspx?ID= 3216

(Message edited by aschem on November 17, 2011)
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Being a retired Army man myself I strongly say do it!!! The work ethic of ex-military will be far better than the currtent crop of kids out of HS or college.

here is a site devoted to helping employers hire vets:

http://www.vetjobs.com/
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Strokizator,

Good on you sir, for seeking to employ those people who fight for our freedom.

God bless you in all your endeavors.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, my generation isn't ALL losers, there are a few good ones out there!
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, but we're all mostly on Badweb. There's You, Me, Froggy, and MikeF5000...
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Strokizator
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just for my own curiosity, what is the job?

Construction, fire sprinklers more specifically (same as Rocketsprink). When the economy went south we let a lot of guys go. Some found work with other companies or in other fields. Of those remaining, about 80% of them I wouldn't want back. Right now we have plenty of journeymen and no apprentices. We need to bring new guys into the trade if we're going to survive as an industry. I'm thinking there are plenty of guys in their 20's looking to get into a trade and start a family.

Thanks for the info, I'll be contacting them today.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In addition . . the Vets will arrive, regardless of rank and branch, imbued with leadership skills, a sense of how teams work and generally have an elevated ability to work collaboratively to make things happen.

Our family has one of the larger fire protection businesses in NYC and that's some TOUGH work. I spent a couple days helping them with the big (BIG) pipe in the old New York Post building on the FDR when a friend bought the building and converted it.

Good on your for thinking of our Vets !

Semper Fi,
Court
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Cataract2
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks to the above for posting those sites. I couldn't think of them when I was posting earlier. Being I'm not planning on getting out for about another 14-15 years at a min. I don't think about this much to often.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

YOU ALSO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE AT A TAX BREAK DUE TO NEW LAWS IF U HIRE A VET (SORRY CAPS LOCKED ON) I CAN FIND THE INFO FOR U LATER...
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do a fair amount of work with some local AF and ANG facilities. If you have some local contacts in the Guard or regular services, just put the word out for what you are looking for. It gets around pretty quickly and I've managed to hire some good folks (until they decided they liked flying helicopters more than the engineering biz - can't blame them on that one)

(Message edited by Stirz007 on November 17, 2011)
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Boney95
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

}Being a retired Army man myself I strongly say do it!!! The work ethic of ex-military will be far better than the currtent crop of kids out of HS or college.

I wouldn't fully agree with that. I work with some pretty damn overweight, lazy, ex Army, and Navy fellas. The three USMC guys are the best workers out of the bunch by far. Maybe MOS has something to do about it..?
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ah the language problem again, saw this thread title & immediately assumed you had a sick animal.

Now having read it, I say well done to you.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 01:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I'm reluctant to even look for a young guy fresh out of school as it's been our experience they don't want to work. I chalk it up to the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality and these kids think they should get a prize just for showing up.




Are things really that bad? At the college I work at, we hire students over the summers for various computer related jobs (we just need the manpower), and most of them have been great. The pay sucks, they get stuck doing grunt work, yet most of them have no problem with it and love that they can get "field experience" which is needed for even entry level jobs these days
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Thesmaz
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

John, I wish more companies thought like you. I am a recently retired 22yr Vet and have yet to be given a chance to prove myself at any of the companies I've applied. I'm working on getting some civilian certifications to help me be a bit more competitive but things are getting a bit tight and the bank account is taking a bit of a hit.
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Whatever
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This link will give you more info... but I don't know when the implementation begins or exactly what the tax breaks are for hiring veterans.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/11/military-con gress-passes-veterans-employment-bill-111611/
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Buellriderx
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm 20, expelled from high school, work for an electric company, have picked up, organized, delivered, helped install millions of dollars worth of solar equipment. Get 24 dollars an hour with promises of raises if business continues. Like stated above, not all of us are bad.
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Doerman
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, my generation isn't ALL losers, there are a few good ones out there!

What exactly is the generation you are trying to identify with?

Quality is timeless.. and that you are
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 02:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Must be a website somewhere tells you what "generation" you are when you enter your birthdate.

Me, I was born in '59 so..................


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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you want to cover all the bases on the political correctness agenda don't forget that you have to hire a mixed race, handicapped, jewish, lesbian.

I know it's an old gag but it's not that far from the truth in Europe these days, once a company passes a certain size they have to fill quotas, it's daft when you see some guy in a wheelchair that wants to work but can't get a job because they're caucasian & if the company hires them that only ticks one box.
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