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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 01:54 pm: | 
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So absolutely sick of this government.
Their agendas, their point of view, their inability to understand common sense, or normal life.
Want a new source of Revenue? Pony up a dunk the Senator/Representative tank, make sure the contents are filled with some of the show extras from Mike Rowe's Dirty Jobs
I would pay 100 to dunk Murray. Hell Put the POTUS there  |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 02:00 pm: |
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The purpose of the program
will be to strengthen the position of
Christmas trees in the marketplace, and
maintain and expand markets for
Christmas trees.
Seriously???
Since when did CHRISTMAS TREES need an expanded marketplace or a strengthened position?
What's next? Pumpkin tax? Turkey tax? Easter egg tax?
I'd ask for some of whatever it is you're smoking, but you'd probably tax me on it. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 02:22 pm: |
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Just another reason to hate Christmas in my book! |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 02:27 pm: |
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You want to talk about a Christian tax, read the health care bill, you are NOT one of the exempted classes .... but muslims are
Page 6, and the supporting USC title code, that I had to call into the IRS to get,
Yep, that individual 'mandate' is all about taxation - very little health care in the thing - at all. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 02:50 pm: |
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**UPDATE** A White House official tells NBC news that implementation of the program has been delayed.
"The Obama Administration is not taxing Christmas trees. What's being talked about here is an industry group deciding to impose fees on itself to fund a promotional campaign, similar to how the dairy producers have created the 'Got Milk? campaign. That said, USDA is going to delay implementation and revisit this action," said the official. |
Strokizator
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 03:04 pm: |
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Thanks Crusty. A little investigation into marketing board campaigns (got milk, dancing raisins, happy cows, etc) shows that the participants are producers pooling their money to promote their industry. This money is sometimes managed by the USDA or state agricultural depts. The Christmas tree deal would seem to be another example. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 03:12 pm: |
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Just another reason to hate Christmas in my book!
Try removing your dad from life support on Christmas eve and watching him die. |
Notpurples2
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 03:22 pm: |
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Sad that their effort has backfired on them. Now it will likely continue to be rumored that Obama's instituted a tax on christmas trees which will discourage purchases of live trees. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 04:01 pm: |
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So it's constitutional for corporations to dump unlimited funds into federal election campaigns (so says our "conservative" SCOTUS) but corporations collecting funds from themselves for their own marketing purposes is "unconstitutional" and "corrupt"?
That doesn't make sense to me. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 04:02 pm: |
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A little investigation into marketing board campaigns (got milk, dancing raisins, happy cows, etc) shows that the participants are producers pooling their money to promote their industry. This money is sometimes managed by the USDA or state agricultural depts
Why does any private industry need a government agency to manage their advertising or self-promotion funds?? Are you kidding me?? While I'm whining why do some government agencies find it necessary to sponsor Nascar or drag bikes, etc? Why am I paying for this stuff or why is the national debt being increased to fund this crap? Once again, if some want to pay for this stuff do it out of your sweat.. not mine !!! The government is like "the mob". Taxes used to enrich others are nothing more than a shakedown. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 05:42 pm: |
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So it's constitutional for corporations to dump unlimited funds into federal election campaigns (so says our "conservative" SCOTUS) but corporations collecting funds from themselves for their own marketing purposes is "unconstitutional" and "corrupt"?
That doesn't make sense to me.
Who claimed it was unconstitutional, or even corrupt? I do agree with FVB... Why does a private industry need the government to manage their promotion. On that point I would say that this provides the means for corruption. I don't see handing the government the keys to corruption to be a good thing, legal or not. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 06:51 pm: |
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Who claimed it was unconstitutional, or even corrupt?
Blake did. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 07:01 pm: |
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So he did. This is one of those times where I strongly disagree with Blake. |
Mtjm2
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 07:57 pm: |
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One of the biggest supporters of PUBLIC radio and TV is ADM .
Thats why I cut my own at a local farm or in the field at my friends farm .
Sorry for all you people that HAVE to go to the corner lot .
It is sad to see indeed . But the FED needs the money to give to those less fortunes than ourselves . |
Froggy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 08:38 pm: |
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quote:Try removing your dad from life support on Christmas eve and watching him die.
I would never wish that anyone, and that sure takes the cake on reasons not to like the holiday. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 09:09 pm: |
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I've been wanting to buy a "real" tree for years... Guess the old plastic contraption will still sufice. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2011 - 10:28 pm: |
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If it isn't a fed tax, then I jumped the gun. It still seems far outside the powers granted to the fed gov't. Ripe for massive corruption.
>>> So it's constitutional for corporations to dump unlimited funds into federal election campaigns (so says our "conservative" SCOTUS)
You are confused. Corporations are held to the same campaign donation limits as individuals, $2000 ea I think. What corporations may do is speak up as they like about whatever issue they like. It's freedom of speech. They do after all pay massive amounts of taxes and to prohibit their free speech is unconscionable, taxation without rights, a clear violation of the constitution. The supreme court says so. The same applies to unions which have been rigging the political arena in America for decades. Now we have balance, much to the chagrin of the laborists. |
Tbolt_pilot
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 01:06 am: |
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...a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of Christmas trees
All debating aside, and valid points they all are... That is just embarrassing as hell! It's sounds like the movie 'Dave' where they want him to sign a bill to spend millions of dollars on an ad campaign to make people feel better about a car they already bought.
Lets try some other programs and see if they sound as stupid.
a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of combs.
a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of post-it notes.
a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of garden gnomes.
a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of giant foam #1 hands.
a new Federal program to improve the image and marketing of the shake weight. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 06:06 am: |
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shake weight....lmao |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 06:34 am: |
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If it isn't a fed tax, then I jumped the gun. It still seems far outside the powers granted to the fed gov't. Ripe for massive corruption.
To be fair I see that Judge Napolitano has come out stating that this would have been unconstitutional. He's pretty well studied on this area of law, so while I still disagree, I'm willing to admit that I could also be wrong.
(Message edited by SIFO on November 10, 2011) |
Notpurples2
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 08:42 am: |
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Paint,
i don't see why this would be a reason not to buy a live tree. Try to find a local grower where you can go pick out and reserve your tree before it's cut down. Better hurry though the local guys usually sell out before Thanksgiving. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 09:48 am: |
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How many of you stopped eating beef when the beef industry ran their "It's what's for dinner" ad campaign? That cost $1.00 per head of cattle. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 09:51 am: |
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Bottom line for me is this...
I've got a very nice artificial tree. Fresh trees, purchased anywhere nearby cost around $100.
I'm not ever going to be in the mood to pay $100 to kill a tree. Sure as HELL I'm not paying $100.15 to kill one either.
Moot point. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 04:41 pm: |
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We still have our live tree from last year, repotted and about a foot taller. The thing survived fine our brutal Texas Summer. Hope to have it for years to come.
Local farmer grows trees though. Was nice going out and cutting our own, hay ride to the grove and back was fun. |
Mark61
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:31 pm: |
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/christmastree .asp |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 01:40 pm: |
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How many of you stopped eating beef when the beef industry ran their "It's what's for dinner" ad campaign? That cost $1.00 per head of cattle.
"Got Milk", "Happy cows", etc...
Thing is, most of us use those products every day. I just can't see forming a "task force" to expand the market for something only some of us buy once a year.
Whatever, it's not going to change what I do. I'll be getting the artificial tree out in about 3 weeks. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 01:45 pm: |
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I think the operative word is voluntary vs mandatory
My cousin is executive director of Professional Dairy Producers of Wisconsin. They have to sell the benefits of joining to farmers (and trust me, dairy farmers don't buy unnecessary stuff REGARDLESS of how it might sound)
IF there were a private Christmas Tree lobbying group, they should feel free to go out to the growers and ask them to join their organization. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 01:46 pm: |
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Christmas... It's not just for Winter Festival anymore! |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 02:34 pm: |
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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Monday, November 14, 2011 - 02:47 pm: |
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George
Me
Heres to Festivus ! Drink up damnit. and then the feats of strength. |
Niceguyeddy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 - 12:05 am: |
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festivus for the restuvus. |
Nm5150
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 - 07:54 pm: |
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I read the Constitution and Bill of Rights every morning on the 4th of July.I believe the point here is the Founding Fathers were in favor of limited government and for good reason.This is just another example of the feds putting their nose where it does not belong.It just keeps getting bigger and more cumbersome and less efficient 15 cents at a time."I will protect and serve myself,thank you." |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 10:30 pm: |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e u/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-deh ydration.html
A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control.
Curved Cucumbers illegal? Are there no women running the EU? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 10:01 am: |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57327849/lawsu it-man-fired-for-not-wearing-666-sticker/
I can tell you from experience, this IS a religious issue. Companies go through religious revivals from time to time, often changing faiths from "Total Quality Management" to "Just In Time" etc.
Just as in "normal" ( you know, with Gods ) religions, some people make millions of dollars getting people to buy into their faiths. Selling t-shirts, books, action item boards, stickers, etc.
Just as in "normal" religions, the newly converted tend toward strict orthodoxy.
Just as in "normal" religions, taking the positive aspects of a faith can improve performance, or smooth over the jagged edges of life.
Just as in "Normal" religions, blasphemy is to be punished. Other faiths are not Tolerated.
I believe that wearing a sticker with "666" on it has no chance of endangering a soul secure in his faith.
Forcing a guy to wear a "666" sticker or be suspended is religious fanaticism in the classic path of Communist/Nazi/Barney.
I hope the slightly crazy Christian Guy gets an enormous settlement. |
