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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tuition is astronomically high because the demand has been artificially inflated.

Part of that artificial inflation is student loans.

(See housing bubble)


If fewer students could get student loans and had to save up for or work for the tuition to attend college, several market forces would come to bear:

-A college education would become more valuable

-Students would value their education more

-Superfluous degrees like Art History, Women's Studies, or Black Studies would cease to exist

-since students would have to actually work to receive those credits, degrees would be chosen based upon their potential marketability and earnings potential in the job market

-Funds that would ordinarily be diverted to pay for overinflated college educations for Sally and Jimmy Snowflake would be instead funneled into the economy



Not everyone should attend college.

(See Occupy Wall Street)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Kenm123t
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OBAMA and friends birds of a feather flock together.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

student loans ? pft - we all know they are getting the scholarships for their diversity.

Just had one come across my Facebook page about Healthcare Reform incentives and start up money.... for minorities and women that want to 'impact' healthcare....
you mean perpetuate the legislation.
Let me tell you what this conservative white boy is all about- burning that legislation to the ground, line by line, page by page.
If you like this bill, you simply havent read it.

(not surprised to see Lenin at all - they have read his Cliff's Notes well - useful idiots - Hello Mensheviks 2.o)
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>It took me ten years to pay off one semester

Took me 10 years to REMEMBER one semester.

: )
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2011 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whats with all these these protests, economic turmoil and bleak outlook? Can you imagine what abc,nbc,cnn,mtv, holy-wood and musicians would be saying about the potus if they were anything but democrat? They said we were recovering? Now they are blaming the people who paid for their campaigns and influence their decision making. There is too much money involved in running for political office that a candidate is doing it for their love of the country.
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I looked up the Mixon guy... I remember when it happened. The guy was a piece of shit and deserved everything he got.

Want to see something disturbing? http://www.assatashakur.org

Some quick reading will show just how delusional some people can be...
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Kenm123t
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it takes 10 years to pay off 1 semester the price of the course vs a potential pay off is that low. You " Chose poorly"
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Give me your money so I can protest while ignorant:


Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are Ignorant
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Jb2
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny how the very people who are demonstrating against hard working professionals are now being infiltrated by the "professional homeless". Can it get any better?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zucco tti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL


Winter will soon be here and the OWS movement won't even be a footnote in history books a few years from now.
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Aeholton
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not going all the way back through this thread to see if this is a repost. My apologies if it is.

What did she just say?

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Reindog
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is Court grubbing free food at Zuccoti Park again? The "revolt within the revolt" was only serving PB&J sandwiches instead of organic okra-like substances.

The OWS protesters are learning a real life lesson, that is, not all victims are victims.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Took the family up to Anna Ruby falls in the N. Georgia mountains last sunday, and I had some dried okra chips for the first time.

They were fan-flipping-tastic.

We didn't see any occutards at the falls.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually . . I have some free time this afternoon and am going to go refiltrate the crowd since they are demanding their rightful allocation of free pumpkin spice lattes.

I've got my headband and old Red Wings on . . . and the more I think about how my parents tried to ruin and degrade me by making me work to pay for school . . the madder I get.

Yep . . the only way to assuage these years of victimhood is free pumpkin spice latte from the Central People Communal Food Bank . . . . aka the Starbucks on Liberty Street.

Revolution here I come!

Tom . . as you coming for Thanksgiving this year? I am thinking about protesting the shallowness and phoniness of the Macy's parade balloons and how the helium trashes our environment.

If you are here . . let me know . . we can take the Hummer and ride over to the sustainability protest together and then get BBQ.

Yep. . .high time the man paid up and the feds gave us the things they owe us . . this hard work was getting old.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, the problem was I was medically disabled for seven of the ten years which forced me to drop out of grad school... so when I did pay it, I actually payed 330% of what I originally borrowed. So technically it took three years to pay off.

And no, I did not CHOOSE to be disabled or sick... contrary to the beliefs of some, not everyone who needs assistance is a louse... not one person I know living below the poverty level (and I know a handfull) enjoys it.

Many people said I should stay on disability for life (doctors, friends, etc). I thought that was just stupid and dishonest.

But I did learn that another 20K to 40K down the hole to get a masters was not worth it!

I am working on a certification that should cost less than 1K out of pocket... wow, that makes sense.

AND I grew up with money so my parents payed the 80K for the BS. They wanted to pay for grad school too, and I said enough is enough. I was the 'appearance' of the spoiled brat, but I NEVER EVER took anything for granted. My Dad worked his a$$ off as a surgeon and to the detriment of the family to some extent.

I never believed in health care for profit from the time I was 14 or so... I was actually ashamed of taking my parent's money... which is another story... but I have not taken a dime since September of 1991, either. It was a matter of pride.

AND I have never had a man support me financially either, even if I could not feed myself. Even when 40% of my disability check paid for medication.

Live and learn I say.

I had 60K in medical, got out from under that only to have 40K in medical again. Now I am 2500 down in medical. I was about six moths from being debt free when I got the lay off in 2010, on top of the lay off in 2008... when I actually had put away the MAXIMUM in my 401(k) in 2006 to 2008...

THAT money went away when I paid $500/ mo for five months of COBRA health insurance. Won't make that mistake again either.

Now the IRS is yanking my chain for 2K. I actually spoke with them when I got the last job, reported regularly on my income and thought I should get back 2K from them for 2010 earnings. Ooops, the 30% increase in pay bit me in the butt. Oh well, they will get their money... eventually.

So, yeah I am under 5K debt and I can breathe.

Knowing what it is like to be saddled with debt and no viable option is something I can relate to... but THE ONLY solution is to dig yourself out one day at a time... whining and throwing a fit doesn't work.

Although I understand the frustration... carrying a sign is a copout.

My goal is to be out of debt in one year from full time employment. If I can find a JOB things will be great. I am starting to do the really crazy shit to get a job... ah, talking to complete strangers I meet and giving them all my information. It feels really uncomfortable.

Oh well...

Not sure why taking off across the country on the motorcycle in the middle of winter and living in a tent and with people and having no home felt comfortable... actually felt amazing... and approaching complete strangers to tell them my story hoping for a lead on a job feels weird... but, what else is there left to do???

Hopefully something will give soon.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

shutup Court... or I will ride my bike up there for Thanksgiving...
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Reindog
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was month three into being unemployed when I threw a keg party and placed a stack of my resumes next to the beer tap.

Month thirteen landed me a job as a result of someone who attended the party and picked up a copy of my resume. True story.
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Court, alas, Laurie and I won't be desecrating NYC this Thanksgiving. I didn't land the job of being a Macy float. Occupying Dino BBQ sounds like a grand idea! So does wearing a "99% Conservative" shirt down at the Complaint Department.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Give me your money so I can protest while ignorant:




In all fairness, you can do that same survey of 50 random people at a mall, or 50 random people at a NASCAR event, or 50 random people on Badweb and get similar results. I've not heard of the Dodd-Frank act either.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In all fairness, you can do that same survey of 50 random people at a mall, or 50 random people at a NASCAR event, or 50 random people on Badweb and get similar results. I've not heard of the Dodd-Frank act either.

+1
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe true, but the rest of us are not out protesting against Wall Street for issues that were created by our fed gov't.

That 94% think that our gov't spends the most on the military is proof of the corruption of the media, as they push that perception.

Edited for missing word "not", sheesh!

(Message edited by blake on October 27, 2011)
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Haven't heard of Frank-Dodd? I find that hard to believe of either of you, especially you Andy, given your participation in political discussions.
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Moxnix
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The voice of either Beavis or Butthead: "Dodd-Frank Act, heh, heh, heh, heheheh."
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hoot, serious. Never even heard anything from my buddy O'rilley either on it, and he would make a whole episode about a Democrat having gas. I honestly thought that other than the bailouts/stimulus, that Washington has done next to nothing regarding the economy.

I frequent here and another active user site that has strong liberal leanings, yet never heard of it before this thread. I knew about OWS and a dozen other things that seem to get most of you upset long before threads were made on here.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>>>especially you Andy

Come on man remember I'm a Dem I only read it if it's approved by the SPUSA

j/k of course.

I did not know the ACT by name and have not read it. I am familiar with some points.
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Drkside79
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>>>active user site that has strong liberal leanings,

Which one. I want in. PICK ME PICK ME
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Find North Korea on this pic.


DMSP sat pic Japan/korea



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW that lady is scary stupid!

Meanwhile Occupy Portland incorporates.
http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_i nq.show_detl?p_be_rsn=1546777&p_srce=BR_INQ&p_prin t=FALSE
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Thumper74
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't watched the video yet... Interesting picture of North Korea 'night life'.

On a side note, anyone read WWZ remember North Korea's fate?
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