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     Ft_bstrd |
The OWS folks are on the wrong side of the argument. Were they in Cairo this spring, they would be demonstrating FOR Mubarak. How does demonstrating for more big government during a time where the current administration is for more big government hope to draw more people in support of their movement? Most of the population believe we are on the wrong track, are against Obamacare, and give the current administration a failing grade. WHEN this gets physical, it will guarantee the independents RUN from Obama in 2012. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
This is how the MP units do it http://youtu.be/WSBXLviPXR8 when my old unit did it, we played less nice. Identify Separate Confront Escalate Eliminate Continue The reason the new PPACA has a military force in it is because the governor would not authorize National Guard troops in patrol, security, riot roles on Seattle Streets during WTO. We were on Boeing field, 6 APCs, live rounds, ready to roll. And our scouts were on the roofs from day one. Remember when this guy leaves office - that architecture will stay . this is classic Lenin - play disparate enclaves against each other to distract and conserve your efforts - his Job bill is pure NEP. The dollar dies next, the purges start directly after. Clear as the nose on my face, this administraton is reading Lenin Light. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ft_, I disagree on...Were they in Cairo this spring, they would be demonstrating FOR Mubarak. I think they'd be the pawns for the current "winners" in Egypt, the MB and the Army. Think about it, revolution, anti-establishment, upper middle class. ( poor folk in egypt can't have Iphones, can they? I was under the impression that the vast majority of Egyptians would love to be dirt poor. ) Kenm123t, I think you misjudge the prez. I figure he thought he was going to be dictator, that that was the job, and is quite miffed that his power is limited. ( to be totally fair, how would YOU like to deal with Congress. I bet the 15trillion$ debt every president in history has entertained a secret fantasy about ridding himself of that bunch. Every President. ) City has the crux of the matter. Power taken by the Government is never temporary. It's like the Secret assassination committee. ( and the assertion that the Prez can murder an American, because. ) You think Romney won't use it? Or Newt? Really, everyone should read Lenin's steps and know what the result was. ( and when the revolution comes, the idealists who led the protests will be first against the wall. It's the pattern. ) Is there a pool? put me down for violence at a protest blamed on the Tea Party. | ||
| Ulyranger |
"This protest is an effort to regain control of OUR REPRESENTATIVES by eliminating (by new laws) campaign funding from corporations. If this occurred then the representatives would work for the VOTER and not the corporate DONOR... " What about Big Union(s)?? And all those other 5xxc's (or whatever that IRS exclusion is) like the artist formerly known as Acorn, Moveon.org, SEIU, Apollo Grp, Center for American Progress and the various other slush fund holdings for the left?? If you don't consider these players a Big Business you are seriously delusional... They are protesting the wrong place and the wrong group. They should be occupying DC..... You want to get back to a Gov't of the People and for the People, you have to REMOVE the power from those sitting in DC. Term limits, remove the salary for life, health care and the rest of the gravy train. Guess what the percentage of Millionaires in Washington is that collect a "people's" paycheck.......think it's even close to 1%??? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-has-m ore-cash-from-financial-sector-than-gop-hopefuls-c ombined-data-show/2011/10/18/gIQAX4rAyL_singlePage .html | ||
| Hughlysses |
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| Notpurples2 |
"http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-has-m ore-cash-from-financial-sector-than-gop-hopefuls-c ombined-data-show/2011/10/18/gIQAX4rAyL_singlePage .html" It would be interesting to see how this changes after the GOP nominee is announced. I'm sure the bigger donations start after the contributors know for sure who is running. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The donations really ramp up after the financial sector finds out who is likely to win. They'll still play both sides like always. | ||
| Hootowl |
Or it could be that the candidate/party who gets the most money is the one that the industry feels they need to bribe the most. "Here's a pile of money. Please stop saying bad things about us." | ||
| Superdavetfft |
ulyranger; I've not heard anything specific about union contributions but I would imagine they would be considered no different than a corp donation and thus also eliminated. If they didn't they wouldn't make much progress. And yes they are occupying DC and many many more places each day... | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Sifo; One question, (watch the video please)... if the police have nothing to hide and they are operating according to the law why would they need to hinder recordings? hmm.... I wonder... I don't see anything that stopped any recording at all *Obviously they are using strobes to keep videos from being captured of further misconduct. If they were in 'crowd control' mode of a higher order then wouldn't water cannons be deployed? etc? While you have a point about it being a useful tactic I firmly believe it's to help hide their behavior which is continuing to make headlines; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAADQj0lJuM It's funny that you shame people for being supportive of the actions of the police. * What's frightening is that many of you on this board are apparently OK with police violence! Yes some protesters are pushing it a bit and deserved an arrest BUT there is no doubt in some of these cases that it is simple brutality (See my original video list) ...I can't believe that you would support the actions of the Flea Party. *Flea party, ah funny... did you think that up yourself or did you get that from another bobbleheaded news anchor? I support the citizens of this country to fight for their voice to be heard over the constant media onslaught attempting to keep the rest of the US population 'in line'. I support the citizens of this country to use whatever means necessary to remove corporate influence from our congress so we can once again shed the weight of taxation without representation. I support citizens to fight for what they believe is right, even if I disagree. However, their voice should be not be made more powerful by advantages provided by unfair laws. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
stokaizwhatever; (sorry forgot all of it..) I had a hard time watching that video but the funniest part was when some dunce who I assume was talking about Bloomberg said "We may not have 4.6 billion, but we pay his salary". Really? Aside from the sales tax they paid on their cinnamon skinny lattes, just what are they talking about? *What video and at what point, I'll review and clarify... If their parents would have knocked some sense into these people when they were kids they wouldn't be making a public nuisance of themselves right now. * look around, there are all ages & races there. I'm glad their parents did whatever they did because at least their kids will take a stand for something instead of slurping up BS from media outlets I'm sorry Dave but I can't join in your outrage. Nothing personal, I just see things differently. * learn more about it and you might alter that... If you want to add some 60's authenticity to your reports, start calling the cops "pigs". * oh there's no doubt I hate cops, all of them, every single one, no problem admitting that. They are out to collect revenue for the state and maintain control over the citizenry but protect and served? Nope, sorry buddy that concept is long gone. HOWEVER my personal opinion doesn't affect the content of the videos showing what those 'pigs' do... What's really sad is many of the police pension funds were affected and yet they still behave that way. They should be carrying their own signs! | ||
| Hootowl |
let me get this right, you want to prevent taxation without representation, but you want to tax corporation more, and at the same time, take away their ability to be represented? Are the people who pay no tax being represented without taxation? Is that fair to the people who are paying federal income tax? Recording police: I absolutely agree that it should be perfectly legal to videotape the police in public. There have been lawsuits, and if I remember correctly, judges have ruled both in favor of the public and against, depending on the case. It seems to me that watching the watchers is a perfectly valid notion. However, I believe the police are preventing video recordings simple because there is legal precedent that says the public doesn't have a right to film them, not to prevent a beating from being posted on youtube. I don't agree with their position though. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Ft; (BTW those signs said TAX the rich, not take things from them unlawfully...) "They want the Federal Government to act as confiscator of private property." Who said it would be "unlawful"? *** Can you show me where this statement is? Everything I have seen is with regard to taxing the wealthy, not stealing their stuff as I believe you infer. | ||
| Superdavetfft |
Oh and regarding OYT, clever I must admit hehe, but that gives me an idea... for every 5 minutes you spend with CNN spend 5 minutes with another news source. (fox is not news so that doesn't count) See both sides for yourself... | ||
| Hootowl |
The rich are already being taxed. Taxing them at confiscatory rates is stealing. There's no other word for it. Allow me to summarize: "I won't allow the 50% of the population who pay no taxes to bear the burden of the other 50% who aren't paying their fair share." | ||
| Reindog |
You believe in a patently UnAmerican idea which is extraordinarily naive and repugnant. You should be ashamed of yourself and have irretrievably lost your audience. Your attitude and intransigence in both religion (I am not particulary religious BTW) and politics is really sad and I can only hope that you find a way to grow up and rescue yourself from your moral bankruptcy. On second thought, your statement is outright disgusting. FAIL. (Message edited by reindog on October 20, 2011) | ||
| Pwnzor |
oh there's no doubt I hate cops, all of them, every single one, no problem admitting that. OK, well you said it all right there. You hate ALL of one particular segment of society. Hate Blacks too? How about Jews? Hispanics? You didn't see fit to respond to me, the one who is best suited to comment on police brutality. Ever been beaten up by a cop? I have been beaten up by GROUPS of them, once right in front of my own mother on visiting day, right in the glass booth. I don't hate cops, I dislike bad cops... but they are in fact a minority. I dislike ANYBODY who behaves badly. I had plenty of time to form an opinion, in the worst possible place for it, and most of the others in there came and went with an attitude like yours. They said a lot of the things you say... punk kids and old-timers (O.G.'s in the urban vernacular) from the streets of LA and Orange County with no education sounded JUST like you... funny, don't you think? | ||
| Superdavetfft |
pwnzor; No offense, but you're on the outside looking in buddy. In case you don't know who I am, I'm the resident ex-convict here on the BadWeB. * congratulations on getting caught? am I supposed to be impressed or...? I've had the bracelets a time or two but not much time spent in the graybar motel thankfully. Nobody here, and I mean NOBODY, is qualified like I am to comment on police "brutality", ... ** I'm showing it to you, i'm not stating it happened to me... You pick and choose little video snippets from the comfort of your own home and point to it as "proof" of something that fits your agenda. * I watch what happens each day, i watch all of them including the ones I will probably not like because I want to know what the media is stating. Only by knowing both sides can you get close to the real story. Yes, the press can film pretty much anywhere they want. Just like the cops, who are people doing a job, can flash strobe lights anywhere they want. ** point is that they don't want any more bad cop behavior caught on camera... what is your point? How about you go out and occupy something, so you can see first hand, like I have, that cops are PEOPLE... sure some of them behave badly, but which of us doesn't? * I'm working on organizing my area now. I made my opinion of cops clear earlier The bums in the park here in Atlanta are pretty much displacing the actual homeless people who live there every day... anybody ever considered that angle? * ever consider WHY they are homeless? and the protesters in most cases would help anybody there, there is free food, clothing, etc available to all for nothing from donations... (like mine today) Why aren't we seeing these occupiers helping the indigenous persons of the area? * they are, 70+% of new yorkers support them, video yesterday... They sure do have a lot of money floating around with their $200 tents and designer clothes, iMacs, iPhones and laminated signs. * wtf? what difference would it make if a protestor had 'stuff' , you have a phone and a computer? laminated signs? oooo, maybe $.50? most are cardboard! | ||
| Hootowl |
The irony Dave, is that they're all running around enjoying the fruits of capitalism whilst decrying capitalism. The REALLY ironic part is that they don't grasp the irony, even after it is pointed out to them. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Superdavepffft, From your belated responses, it appears you are having some difficulty with comprehension. When I ask, "Why aren't we seeing these occupiers helping the indigenous persons of the area? " and you answer, "they are, 70+% of new yorkers support them, video yesterday...", it doesn't make any sense. The response doesn't fit the query. "most are cardboard"... wrong. "congratulations on getting caught? am I supposed to be impressed or...?" No, it lends perspective. Like how I know you are getting your information from others, my information comes from ME and my direct experience with the situations. You call what you see on some of these videos "police brutality", but I don't think you've ever seen real brutality. That's my opinion. Ask me about human pretzels some time. What really concerns me now, is that you have openly expressed hatred for all police officers. That includes the ones who served honorably in our armed forces to protect your freedom, so I'm going to have to just put the things you say in my mental waste bin... since you HATE. I'm a Christian, conducted my own ministry in the pen, baptized men and possibly helped one or two save themselves. While other barracks were rioting, I gave Holy Communion. Here is where you and I part ways, because you'll be on the other side of the front lines from me and others who think like me or at least believe in personal responsibility and accountability.  | ||
| Sifo |
You believe in a patently UnAmerican idea which is extraordinarily naive and repugnant. You should be ashamed of yourself and have irretrievably lost your audience. Your attitude and intransigence in both religion (I am not particulary religious BTW) and politics is really sad and I can only hope that you find a way to grow up and rescue yourself from your moral bankruptcy. On second thought, your statement is outright disgusting. FAIL. +1 | ||
| Hootowl |
City, I get a shaving commercial in that youtube link above. A pretty funny one, sure, but not what I was expecting from your description. Unless your MP unit was shaving bushes. | ||
| Court |
The few kids left here look like idiots . . . we're taking their allowance for latte and internet connections and they, to be honest, aren't bothering anybody or really getting much notice. By they way . . . I don't know about the other cities but the NYPD cop who got out of line was harshly disciplined within 24 hours. The NYPD, believe what you will, has no tolerance for bullshit. | ||
| Aesquire |
I support the citizens of this country to use whatever means necessary to remove corporate influence from our congress so we can once again shed the weight of taxation without representation. Let's see, how do I send this to Attackwatch.com? Get ready for a hellfire from Obama! I'm actually for reducing the influence of corporations in Congress. The problem is 2 fold. 1. It's hard to prove quid pro quo. Even when it's blindingly obvious, as in BP, FM/FM, and Acorn, ( haliburton? ) it's hard to prove in court. You need recordings, and even that fails sometimes as in the Mayor of DC on tape doing crack ( or was it coke? ) and taking bribes... and getting reelected. 2. ( this is bi-partisan ) Those in power tend to protect others in power when it comes to the bribery we both complain about. No one wants the money to dry up, and protecting their fellow elite keeps it coming to them...with no change. Hopeful, huh? Add partisan politics, and you have a situation where ( just to make up an example ) Obama could slaughter people in the Mall with a grenade launcher, on TV, and the Senate would never vote to impeach. See Clinton and his impeachment ( but not conviction ) for lies under oath. Or Nixon, allowed to resign in disgrace instead of being given time in prison for the cover up of the Watergate break in. ( which, by all accounts, was a Dean op, for the best & worst reasons ) Better yet, one of my Congressmen, C. Rangel, NY. I can find no way he has the wealth he has from legit work. He sure doesn't pay taxes like I do, and when caught, the meeting of the "House committee on covering up our sins" is delayed as long as needed to get reelected first. last, You are either unaware that the phrase "by any means necessary" has a long history, or use it deliberately. If the first..... it's a button pusher that, I assure you, gets negative attention. If deliberate, I must warn you, I've seen that episode of Babylon 5. | ||
| Pwnzor |
char·la·tan noun \shär-le-ten\ Definition of CHARLATAN 1: quack 2 2: one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability : fraud, faker — char·la·tan·ism noun — char·la·tan·ry noun | ||
| Blake |
He who hides hatred is of lying lips, and he who utters slander is a [self-confident] fool. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
*** Can you show me where this statement is? Everything I have seen is with regard to taxing the wealthy, not stealing their stuff as I believe you infer. My statement was that the OWS folks to employ the Federal government to take from the rich and give them stuff for free. You stated that they simply wanted to tax the rich. What is the difference? | ||
| Court |
I just learned something . . . Judy Collins was in the tube and said "the rich in this country don't pay ANY taxes". Now I see what the problem is. I also want the little checks I sent to the Department of Treasury back. | ||
| Chauly |
Don't forget: The Corporations do not pay any taxes, either. We all do... |
