| Author | Message | ||
     Ft_bstrd |
I would LOVE a multi-party system. The problem is that under the current electoral system, it simply won't work. If people REALLY want a multi-party system, have a prelims/finals election process. The top two candidates have a run off. If the 1992 election had been held that way, Bush would have more than likely won. If the 2000 elections would have been held that way, Gore more than likely would have won. | ||
| Hootowl |
+1 Then we might actually have viable third party candidates without the fear of splitting the vote. | ||
| Whatever |
I like Starbucks !!! My point being, money talks... running around with a sign is a copout and accomplishes nothing. OTOH... when our scientists and engineers cannot find work there is a problem... BUT the morons protesting do not realize the PROBLEM started in the mid 1940's... 1. Military industrial complex. PERIOD. 2. Becoming the world's babysitter. 3. Our general attachment to materialism as a nation... for f****sake, you do not need a 5,000 square foot house and two brand new SUVs directly out of college... duh! 4. ETHNOCENTRISM at it's worst... I would wager to guess that 90% of the protestors have never spent any substantial time in a Third World country, either in a slum or in a rural area. When I was in Morocco, if a family of four had a one bedroom apartment of 500 square feet, that had running water and electricity, that was luxury. CARS- out of the question- maybe dad has a bicycle to get to work. 5. GENERAL lack of work ethic of today's youth (now I sound OLD)- yeah, I have a college degree- SO WHAT- I have taken minimum wage jobs when I have to and I enjoy it... I like feeling a part of a work team, I like busting my a$$ for 8 to 10 hours straight... I hate mopping floors, but will probably start to do so in a month or so at a *gasp* Starbucks... if I can be lucky enough to get a job for 10 to 20 hours a week at one. 6. NAFTA (thanks Bill Clinton- f-er) Really, I could go on and on and on... but, alas, I need to do laundry and try to get my butt moving again, maybe go for a walk... three hours of volunteer work tonight and then... Cardinals game time. Oh... and almost forgot... WTF is it patchouli oil and hippies, they stink already, why make me sneeze too... (sarcasm intented). | ||
| Slaughter |
Folks ought to remember that the phrase Military Industrial Complex was first spoken in frustration by that leftist, socialist ne'er-do-well named Dwight David Eisenhower. (Message edited by slaughter on October 20, 2011) | ||
| Whatever |
If you can get on w the Feds... it sure pays the bills Steve!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
the PROBLEM started in the mid 1940's Actually, it started a little earlier with this guy:  abandoning this:  Considering the ENTIRE Department of Defense budget makes up less than 19% of the total Federal Budget, I don't think the military industrial complex is the real boogyman here. | ||
| Hootowl |
And given that maintaining the Army and the Navy is one of the things the federal government is SUPPOSED to do, according to that little heeded document above, I have no problem with defense spending. In fact, it should be a greater portion of spending since all the extra-constitutional spending should stop. | ||
| Whatever |
OBVIOUSLY HOOT... DUH (just saying it irks me that people think I know nothing about the Constitution because I am not a Republican) ! But what bugs me is why ARE we still sending billions of billions of dollars to all sorts of different countries all over the globe to "re-build" their infrastructure, and we can't even pass a simple bill to re-build ours? (Message edited by Whatever on October 20, 2011) | ||
| Whatever |
Nobody on the conservative side will even acknowledge that EVERY time I bring it up here. AND what of "Homeland Security"? Apparently, the numbers are out, and we have DEPORTED 400,000 individuals this last year under the Obama administration... which is an ALL TIME RECORD... but people still think that Obama is a wimp. I tell you, I am conservative on some things... but why in the hell has not ANYONE in the Tea Party acknowledged that 30 to 60 BILLION was stolen through fraud by government contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan alone? | ||
| Whatever |
Is not that kind of waste and fraud... quite simply put "UnAmerican"??? | ||
| Moxnix |
I'm not in the Tea Party, but opposed the creation of a huge "contractor" industry for the Gulf War 2. Military industrial complex mess, predicted by I Like Ike. The whole "security" corporatocracy thing smelled bad enough for Blackwater to change it's name. If you want a foreign war, hire foreigners to fight it. | ||
| Sifo |
but why in the hell has not ANYONE in the Tea Party acknowledged that 30 to 60 BILLION was stolen through fraud by government contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan alone? I'll acknowledged it. It's one of the reasons that I think that for the most part the more you can restrict government the better off we are. This is just typical government business as usual. | ||
| Whatever |
And throw out the electoral college BS and make it a popular vote !!! Ok off to study. | ||
| Sifo |
Maybe study the constitution? | ||
| Hootowl |
"just saying it irks me that people think I know nothing about the Constitution because I am not a Republican" I did not say that, nor did I intend to imply it. Apologies. | ||
| Sifo |
just saying it irks me that people think I know nothing about the Constitution because I am not a Republican I dont think that because your not a Republican. I think that because of this... And throw out the electoral college BS and make it a popular vote !!!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
And throw out the electoral college BS and make it a popular vote !!! Without the electoral college to balance out the votes, the costs would dictate the election and large swaths of the population would go unrepresented. | ||
| Reindog |
The Electoral College is defined by the US Constitution. It provides the some several States to have a voice in the presidential election process. The States would never have ratified the US Constitution without it because it was feared that the population of New York would determine the Executive branch. Would South Carolina have agreed to the ratification knowing they would be shut out of 1/3 of the government? Nothing has changed in this regard since 1787. The Electoral College gives the States a representative voice in how the president is elected. The US Constitution does not tell the States how to apportion their share of Electors. The Electoral College is a result of compromise and shows the wisdom of our Founding Fathers who were aware of the concept of the Tyranny of the Majority. The popular vote of the president is an extraordinarily bad idea. | ||
| Strokizator |
And throw out the electoral college BS and make it a popular vote ! Well since this happens to be world series time, perhaps a lesson is in store. The way the series is set up, the champion is the one who wins 4 out of seven games. The score in each of those games does not matter other than determining the winner. Let's say St.Louis wins 4 games by the scores of 3-2, 3-1, 6-3 and 1-0. The Rangers win three with scores of 10-2, 5-1 and 5-4. The electoral college says that the Cards are champs by virtue of winning 4 games. You say the Rangers are champs because they outscored the Cards 26 to 20. It isn't really that simple because the race in each state does not carry the same weight as others. But the current system keeps states with huge populations like NY and Calif from dominating the results of the presidential election. They actually do to a certain extent but not like they would on a straight popular vote. In a couple of states the votes are divided by congressional district instead of winner take all. Being a conservative in Calif, I'd go for that. | ||
| Reindog |
Hell Charlotte, you are a bright ray of sunshine and reason this morning except for the popular vote comment. Good things are coming your way and the Badweb community is rooting for you. | ||
| Reindog |
The US Constitution does not prevent California for changing how it's Electors are apportioned. | ||
| Whatever |
If we put all the T Baggers in Texas and all the OWS Lunatics in California and let both succeed from the union..... | ||
| Whatever |
Reindog Cards won and it stopped raining. Life is perfect cept for organic chemistry... | ||
| Hootowl |
Texas is already succeeding. California is not. Texas already believes in small government, so the tea party folk would fit right in (I won't call them T baggers, a patently offensive term). Heck, the legislature is part time, and never runs a deficit. | ||
| Moxnix |
There’s a joke making its way around the Internet. Goldman Sachs has decided to try to profit from the OWS protests. They’ve set up a “Rage Fund” that will invest in companies that make police batons, pepper spray, bandages, and glass windows. | ||
| Whatever |
Secceed sp ??? Not success ... Leave the union. Drop Texas.. Execute innocent and guilty alike... Make Palin Pres... Whatever. California can go communist or whatever.. We can grow our fruit elsewhere... Happy cows do not come from California.. They come from Wisconsin.. Hell let Alaska and Hawaii become their own countries too while we are at it... | ||
| Moxnix |
That's the spirit! | ||
| Strokizator |
We can grow our fruit elsewhere. Not nearly enough to satisfy demand unless you want to buy from China. To put it into perspective, the value of agriculture for the entire state of WI is $7.6 billion. Fresno County alone is at $6 billion, Tulare County is $5 billion, and that's with the eviro whackos cutting off irrigation supplies. Total for the state is nearing $40 billion Happy cows do not come from California.. They come from Wisconsin. They may be happier there but Calif surpassed Wisc in milk production way back in 1993. We're closing in on #1 in cheese. California can go communist or whatever Well you got that one right. Sorry for the hijack but Calif is more than SF and LA. | ||
| Whatever |
California is probably like WI but mixed up... South California can go T Party with North California OWS... North Wisconsin can go T Party and South Wisconsin can go OWS... Problem solved !!! | ||
| Whatever |
Palin can be the new President of the country of Alaska. Cain can be the new President of the country of Georgia. And I can go down to Nicaragua where I can work for a geo-thermal drilling company and get my Spanish speaking back on track. |
