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Strokizator
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Watched the 1949 movie "All the Kings Men", loosely based on Huey Long, the other night. The parallels with today's events are remarkable. Did some further research and came away with the impression that history does indeed repeat itself. Long's credo was "Share our wealth" not too dissimilar to what Van Jones espouses. He believed personal net worth should be capped at $100 million and yearly income at $1 million. Anything above that would be confiscated.

After seeing some protest signs calling for a Resource Based Economy, I looked into that innocuous-sounding catch phrase. That's some scary stuff right there. Everything is free, work if you want, "create" if you don't. Somehow food, fuel and fiber will magically appear from thin air.

What Pwnzor and Thumper74 have figured out, and apparently it's not being taught anywhere, is that wealth is not distributed, it is EARNED.

And to Superdave, if those protesters get in my way they'll get a lot worse than they got from the NYPD. Those protesters are a bunch of spoiled kids whose parents gave them everything they wanted and are upset because it's now their turn to produce something of value.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess Keith Olberman didn't cover this aspect...

“Occupy Wall Street” ‘Protestors’ Hired Through Craigslist
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/or ganizer-admits-paying-some-occupy-dc-protestersOrg anizer admits paying some 'Occupy DC' protesters


$22 per hour! I may head down there!
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This protest is an effort to regain control of OUR REPRESENTATIVES by eliminating (by new laws) campaign funding from corporations.

You do understand that a simple law can't override the constitution don't you? What about unions?
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also, if it's new laws you want (even though they would be unconstitutional) why occupy Wallstreet? You should occupy DC. Dumbasses!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PROVE THIS!

Ok.
















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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Superdave... so, according to your simple rules, should any union employee be precluded from being able to donate to a political campaign? How about any employee of National Public Radio?

Explain your understanding of the current rules on political contributions from corporations. Do you think, for example, Haliburton can write a $10M check to the "Dick Chaney for President" campaign?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As an individual, I've hired a lobbyist.

I was pleased with the outcome.


Corporations aren't the only ones.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pwnzr, convicted felons in North Carolina can not vote while they are on paper... do you find this offensive, as I do?

Yes, I certainly do. I was actually able to vote while I was still in prison, slid under the radar by using my permanent absentee voter status. Mom came for a "contact visit" (meaning no glass between us) and I filled out my ballot.

When a man has paid his debt to society, it's not right for him to have his 2nd and 4th amendment rights restricted.

I am now a registered voter here in the state of Georgia. I still cannot legally purchase a firearm... so, in theory I would be building them from legally obtained parts.

"in theory"
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah... the rhetoric is ramping up....

Can't wait for these pansies to turn their words into actions.

tick tock, tick tock.



(Message edited by pwnzor on October 19, 2011)
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What happens when "the rich" fight back?

Do you really think that Buffett or Koch or Soros are going to just bend over and take it?
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Nobuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Superdavetfft

If it is that simple. Why is it not stated as such on their websites and signage? It seems to me that your stated goal is simply your opinion that is not backed up by hard fact.

I have seen nothing that backs your simple view point.
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Thumper74
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"A Job is a Right"?

"Fight for Socialism"?

Please... 'Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...' are their rights. Everything else is extra. If they think that Socialism will give them liberty, they have another thing coming.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are not wages profits?
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Im praying for rain
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When the real weather shows up, let's see how long they last.

Those that remain can see how they fare with a boot to the neck.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Im praying for rain

Been raining all day . . I'm going to go check and see how committed these idiots are.

One thing I am noticing is that the numbers being reported in the national media are many times what the eyes are seeing. There aren't that many folks present.

By the way . . . are umbrellas a "right"? Mine is old and flimsy . . . hell, I may be one of'em and not know it.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm hoping they can stay long enough for their parents to remodel the basement. Then what will they occupy?
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Whistler
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Dad had lots of little sayings and I can't help but think he would have thrown this one out about the 99%ers, "you can tell 'em, you just can't tell 'em much."
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wait until the Communists start marching. Wait! Looks like they already are. Gonna be interesting if the Nazis show up at the same time. Hello, Weimar Republic.

Nice call 0 and Pelosi.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it's already cooling off there in NYC right? can't imagine the imports hanging out long. these clowns if they weren't an actual problem would be funny. wonder what the rest of us can do to help peaceably shut these morons up.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What do they want?


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the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people
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The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies.
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the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.
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What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.
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Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans
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Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702044 79504576637082965745362.html

Government guaranteed health care, education and retirement. What political ideologies promote cradle to the grave government support? Anyone care to put a label on this?
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My momma used to say, "Be careful what you wish for because you might get it."

France: 1789
Russia: 1917
China: 1949
USA: 2008
Egypt: 2011
OWS: ?
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Schoen's op-ed piece was attacked hours after it appeared yesterday. Let the OWS lovers find it and respond.

-Nobama in 2012.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My grandpappy used to say "better to be a smart ass than a dumb shit."
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Schoen's op-ed piece was attacked hours after it appeared yesterday.

No doubt it was. It was a valid poll that let the protesters speak for themselves though. Once they realize how it actually sounds they try to claim it's not reality.
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Boltrider
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The occupiers have no chance if it really turns violent. They talk like they do, but it's all talk. These are the same types that would run from a real fight earlier in life. They stick to the "strength in numbers" philosophy, but some water cannons and a couple of strategically placed skirmish lines will take care of that really fast.

They have no idea the sheer numbers they face of people who do NOT support their movement. Naivete is in plain sight with the occupiers believing their thoughts and opinions represent the vast majority of Americans, when in reality the common ground between them and everyone else can be more accurately represented by a sliver on a pie chart, if that.
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Boltrider
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Only now is this true: 99% = 1/99 of the US.



(Message edited by boltrider on October 19, 2011)
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OWS=Tea Party.....NOT.

0 is truly a useless but dangerous idiot.
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