| Author | Message | ||
     Guell |
Im sure it wasnt aired because the guy didnt really answer any of the questions being asked. Sounded like he bounced around and said a bunch of crap, but had 0 ideas on how to actually change anything. | ||
| Doerman |
I like OWS. Finally some action again. Been too quiet lately. They're not really achieving anything or standing for anything that I can see, although this whole deal has been low on my priorities. Nice party though. And it makes them feel they have contributed to society. | ||
| Sifo |
He did bash Fox News quite a lot though. Is that what the protest is about? Probably not. Why air it? | ||
| Fahren |
There is no point to showing videos on either side, Sifo. There's an arch right-wing group that has aired a pro-Israel ad showing how the protesters are violently anti-semite: crazy stuff, totally propagandistic. There are all sorts of other MSM clips, similar to the youtube clip you posted, that puts out the message that there are only dumb, aimless hippies out in lower Manhattan. So in the name of fairness, I thought it would be good to show someone not a teen hippie, with an ability to express his views clearly, and to call for open debate and discourse and to question the materialistic values that have come to dominate so much of modern US culture and society. He certainly doesn't look like a not-very-bright, cheap bastard who would be out screwing in the park, that's all. | ||
| Sifo |
I just checked to see when this got started. It was Sept 17! They've been at it for a month now and are still trying to figure out their message. FAIL! | ||
| Sifo |
There is no point to showing videos on either side, Sifo. There's an arch right-wing group that has aired a pro-Israel ad showing how the protesters are violently anti-semite: crazy stuff, totally propagandistic. There are all sorts of other MSM clips, similar to the youtube clip you posted, that puts out the message that there are only dumb, aimless hippies out in lower Manhattan. So in the name of fairness, I thought it would be good to show someone not a teen hippie, with an ability to express his views clearly, and to call for open debate and discourse and to question the materialistic values that have come to dominate so much of modern US culture and society. He certainly doesn't look like a not-very-bright, cheap bastard who would be out screwing in the park, that's all. Well your the one who made this a Fox News issue. I thought you had a point. My bad. The guy in the video does seem to be a bit more level headed than 99% of the rest. He still, when given a chance completely failed to make any clear statement about what they were trying to do. He did get in to the healthcare issue a bit. Is that why they are occupying Wallstreet? Maybe he really isn't so bright. And he is choosing to associate himself with the rest of the 99% of the losers. | ||
| Reindog |
We need to join George Soros and give money to OWS. The longer they are there, the stupider they look. After all, this is the face of 0's and Pelosi's Brave New World Order. Independents will be coming back home next November. | ||
| Reindog |
At least Woodstock had some great music instead of an inane drum circle. Occupy Other People's Bongs, dude. | ||
| Fahren |
Unlike everyone on badweb, who is an expert on what is needed to fix our economy, and to fix our society. Sifo, you will never get it. I really like engaging with you on topics, but you just can't accept that this is exactly what messy, real democracy is about. There is not always a clear message or set of demands. The problems are too big for that. As Blake noted recently, it may take a revolution to effect real change. He and I, and I'm sure you as well, hope that it does not come down to that, but our system is so broken it will take more than electing a different set of clowns to effect real change. You owe it to yourself to keep your mind open about dissent. It's how our country was formed. Admittedly, most people today can't hold a candle intellectually to our founding fathers, but does that make it wrong or bad to speak and act out against perceived injustice? We are talking tens of thousands who have passed through this demonstration site, as well as all the others all around in various cities. Will you be able to focus a microphone and a camera on some real losers in a crowd like that? You bet - just like you can in a huge tea party rally. But, despite the news media's attempts at trivialization and marginalization of these protesters, we should all pay attention. If you don't necessarily know the answers, is it bad to question authority? | ||
| Sifo |
It's funny though. I did see a piece done by Geraldo Rivera who says he agrees with the protest was trying to interview people and all the tape he had had people in chanting "Fox News Lies" over and over. Even a left-wing reporter couldn't make them look intelligent. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, you will never get it. I really like engaging with you on topics, but you just can't accept that this is exactly what messy, real democracy is about. There is not always a clear message or set of demands. The problems are too big for that. As Blake noted recently, it may take a revolution to effect real change. He and I, and I'm sure you as well, hope that it does not come down to that, but our system is so broken it will take more than electing a different set of clowns to effect real change. You owe it to yourself to keep your mind open about dissent. It's how our country was formed. Admittedly, most people today can't hold a candle intellectually to our founding fathers, but does that make it wrong or bad to speak and act out against perceived injustice? We are talking tens of thousands who have passed through this demonstration site, as well as all the others all around in various cities. Will you be able to focus a microphone and a camera on some real losers in a crowd like that? You bet - just like you can in a huge tea party rally. But, despite the news media's attempts at trivialization and marginalization of these protesters, we should all pay attention. If you don't necessarily know the answers, is it bad to question authority? Fahren, this may surprise you but I actually spent about 2 hours this morning just reading what the individuals had to say for themselves. Not as represented by any media. No filter. No pressure on them. Just the words they chose to commit to paper and post on the web. http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ Most of them are completely clueless as to how to fix their own problems. And 99% of them are complaining about just that, their own problems. Their problems won't be any better if we take the top 1% and cut their heads off and deal out their wealth to the rest. There are some that I couldn't agree with more, calling for less government intervention. Those ones I really have a hard time understanding. I can't see any signs of making a joke in their message, but they are associating with a group that will fight to do exactly the opposite. So it is with the useful idiots though. Tea Party rally? Want to start a contest to see who can come up better examples of mental vacuousness? I've been to a couple of Tea Party events. People were well behaved, had a clear message and left no mess or damage behind. | ||
| Sifo |
I will say this. If they really think that they are the 99% (or even 55%) their solution is easy. It's called the ballot box. The reality is that they are sheep that will be lead to vote as they always have. I don't see them as the solution at all. They are part of the problem. | ||
| Sifo |
Are they really looking for a "Tahrir Moment"? That was the overthrow of a government, wasn't it? Is this really their message? Fox News makes them look much better than their own websites. http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstree t
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| Reindog |
OWS is in the wrong location. It should be encamped a couple of hundred miles to the south outside the White House. The assault and demonization of the private sector by 0 is an iron clad guarantee that the economy will not expand. Occupy 2012 to oust 0. | ||
| Cowboy |
It realy is not hard to understand Just remember that if liberals are left a lone long enough they will consume thewm selves. | ||
| Boltrider |
There surely are some cherry-picked few among the Occupiers that I can probably agree with on some things. But the majority seem lost and hapless. | ||
| Tootal |
#1, We don't live in a democracy. A democracy is ruled by the majority. We live in a Republic which is ruled by law. Those laws are made and unmade by our elected officials that we vote for. We have the best document for self governing that has ever been written. Our forefathers were trying an experiment, can man self govern himself. You must take responsibility for your own actions in life, nobody owes you anything. The federal government is only supposed to provide the armed forces, protect our borders, keep commerce across state lines and internationally flowing and provide a monetary system. (Not the Fed!) The states are to provide everything else their taxpayers want. Get the federal government out of our lives and pockets and things will get much better in a hurry! | ||
| Fahren |
Tootal, I would agree with you except for the simple fact that too many individuals, and by extension the companies they have created and/or run, have proved to the world that they are absolutely incapable and/or unwilling to do the right thing when it comes to pollution, committing of fraud, theft and exploitation of others. So what do you do? As soon as you say there are no more federal laws or agencies regulating these national issues (less government), the crimes multiply. If you say, well, let's make some laws (we are a nation of laws, after all), well, the powerful exert influence, financial or other, to have those laws written their way, changed, or struck down. Show me the leaders who can change this situation. Please - I beg you to show them to me. I don't see them anywhere. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Fahren have you read the Federalist papers?When you do you may understand the Constitution! The country is not BIG government or No governement we are constitutional republic. The very evils you describe are magnified many times over when gov gets out of its constitutional restraints. Gov is no better than the people in it. I m watching the news right now the Solyndara rip off is being covered. Gov fraud waste and financial disasters are bigger and wide ranging than any in the private sector BHO is up to his neck in it Holder and BHO committed treason when they Started Fast and Furious. Its BHOS problem its an executive office responsibility he is supposed to be the Top Cop so he goes! The real reason for it was to create a reason to sign the UN small arms treaty a end run on the second amendment Michelle is out spouting the second amendment is gone when we get one more supreme court appointment. The OWS crowd is the problem, the detritus of the liberal demon crat progressive colleges the Useless idiots. | ||
| Sifo |
The Flea Party!  | ||
| Court |
Bad part is that even the most corrupt of companies is no match for the Obama administration. I laugh at those old claims f transparency. They are a mixture of Chicago criminals crossbred with keystone cops Truly s the most incompetent bums I've ever seen in a single administration. | ||
| Reindog |
The Reagan Democrats stepped to the plate in 1984 when they saw Mondale was a return to the failed Carter stagflation policies. Today's Democrats have the opportunity in 2012 to repudiate the failed direction of 0 and begin to stimulate business by embracing business. When the US economy gets moving again, hop aboard because there is going to be tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of new small business opportunities. It is really exciting but 0 has to go first. Sidenote: Laurie and I saw a Republicans for Obama bumper sticker today and it wasn't a joke. WTF? Occupy Your Objectivism. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Based on how they handled the gulf oil spill... Can we put BP in charge of Social Security? | ||
| Reindog |
At first, I thought you were referring to 0. | ||
| Aesquire |
As soon as you say there are no more federal laws or agencies regulating these national issues (less government), ... No, that's borderline anarchy, which NO ONE is asking for. You can set up the straw man to knock him down, but it just a salve to your ego and does not convince a soul. Only idiots want no government. Only the dishonest would say they do. I don't think you're an idiot. ( ok, Useful idiot, but that's political, not IQ. See Wiki definition. Many of the Occupiers are Useful idiots. ) The current admin ( from nomination to date ) has seen tens of millions lose their private sector jbs and hired well over a million into govt. service. They've spent so much money hat they didn't have, that going back to the 2008 budget, would result in mass layoff in Federal service. Trillions wasted, over $5000 per person working per year increased regulatory costs today, to each american business. With no improvement in working conditions that I know of. It's not NO LAWS I want it's no BAD laws. See Fannie/Freddy and the flip this house scam. Legal. bad laws. Straw man. KMSMA I thought BP handled the oil spill in Chicago fashion. Bribe the politicians. Didn't help with the public relations much, but Barack made out real good on the bribes. (Message edited by aesquire on October 16, 2011) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-na zi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street- movement/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/oba ma-plans-to-turn-anti-wall-street-anger-on-mitt-ro mney-republicans/2011/10/14/gIQAZfiwkL_print.html It's going to get violent. I'd Avoid these protests. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2011/10/16/ | ||
| Kenm123t |
BHO NEEDS the protests to get violent! What is happening is the Classic ( student rebellion ) of the communist theology. Read Maos little red book and his Statement The will of the people comes out of the barrel of a gun! BHO is a trouble maker its his career path he has to have a Crisis like all liberals. These liberal demons are never happy miserable self loathing creatures that destroy every thing they touch! Where do you think the term misery loves company comes from. | ||
| Sifo |
Flea Party says F*ck the USA... Is this really their message? | ||
| Sifo |
BHO NEEDS the protests to get violent! What is happening is the Classic ( student rebellion ) of the communist theology. Read Maos little red book and his Statement The will of the people comes out of the barrel of a gun! BHO is a trouble maker its his career path he has to have a Crisis like all liberals. These liberal demons are never happy miserable self loathing creatures that destroy every thing they touch! Where do you think the term misery loves company comes from. If they can make it bad enough they can declare marshal law. From there; Well BO has already got secret legal reasoning that allows him to kill US citizens without due process. What could possibly go wrong? |
