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     86129squids |
OK- been watching the news, saw the Palestinian prez at the UN, dammit, been trying to remember something... I got 4 pages into Google and gave up. Anyone here remember the "Council of Medina"? Maybe it's not "Medina"... In one of my sociology or religion classes, the prof mentioned there was once an agreement between the three tribes of Moses: Each of them would "agree to disagree" fundamentally, but respect one another- and, if one of them was ever attacked from an outside force, the other two tribes would help defend the one under siege. I've yet to call my sis on this, but I figure someone here might have $.02 on this. OK, hopefully I'm not pissing in the wind here, but LET'S DISCUSS. Peacefully. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Medea was where 3 tribes of Abraham settled after the Exodus. Is this where you are thinking of? Also: http://www.medea.be/en/countries/occupied-palestin ian-territories/palestinian-legislative-council-pl c/ This is a little more recent. Are you conflating the two? (I am not a biblical scholar!) Chris C | ||
| 86129squids |
OK, maybe it was Medea. Will look it up... | ||
| Crusty |
Personally, I prefer discussing the Diet of Worms. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Fried or boiled? | ||
| Britchri10 |
1521? That Charles V sure knew how to have a good time! Chris C | ||
| Crusty |
The Diet of Worms 1521 (German: Reichstag zu Worms, [ˈʁaɪçstaːk tsuː ˈvɔɐms]) was a diet (specifically, an Imperial Diet) that took place in the city of Worms in what is now Germany, and is most memorable for the Edict of Worms (Wormser Edikt), which addressed Martin Luther and the effects of the Protestant Reformation. It was conducted from 28 January to 25 May 1521, with Emperor Charles V presiding. Other Imperial diets at Worms were convened in the years 829, 926, 1076, 1122, 1495, and 1545. Unqualified mentions of a Diet of Worms usually refer to the 1521 assembly. The Edict of Worms was a decree issued on 25 May 1521 by Emperor Charles V, declaring: For this reason we forbid anyone from this time forward to dare, either by words or by deeds, to receive, defend, sustain, or favor the said Martin Luther. On the contrary, we want him to be apprehended and punished as a notorious heretic, as he deserves, to be brought personally before us, or to be securely guarded until those who have captured him inform us, where upon we will order the appropriate manner of proceeding against the said Luther. Those who will help in his capture will be rewarded generously for their good work. The Papal nuncio at the diet, Girolamo Aleandro, drew up and proposed the denunciations of Luther that were embodied in the Edict of Worms, promulgated on 25 May. The Edict declared Luther to be an obstinate heretic and banned the reading or possession of his writings. It was the culmination of an ongoing struggle between Martin Luther and the Catholic Church over reform, especially in practice of donations for indulgences. However, there were other deeper issues that revolved around both theological concerns: On a theological level, Luther had challenged the absolute authority of the Pope over the Church by maintaining that the doctrine of indulgences, as authorized and taught by the Pope, was wrong. Luther maintained that salvation was by faith alone (sola fide) without reference to good works, alms, penance, or the Church's sacraments. He had also challenged the authority of the Church by maintaining that all doctrines and dogmata of the Church not found in Scripture should be discarded (sola scriptura). To protect the authority of the Pope and the Church, as well as to maintain the doctrine of indulgences, ecclesiastical officials convinced Charles V that Luther was a threat and persuaded him to authorize his condemnation by the Holy Roman Empire. Luther escaped arrest and remained in seclusion at Wartburg castle for several years where he continued to write and translate the Bible into German. While the Edict was harsh, Charles was so preoccupied with political and military concerns elsewhere that it was never enforced. Eventually Luther was allowed to return to public life and became instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Protestant Reformation. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I knew that, but it's been 40 years since I learned it in school. Get'n old old old. | ||
| Crusty |
I just like the name. It makes it memorable. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Viva Luther! (said the ex-Methodist/Wesleyan/whatever) Chris C | ||
| Kenm123t |
We learned that in Confirmation Class Read more about Luther he was a wild guy in many ways. Smart Faithful and Tough! The Germans protected him since he was against the looting of Germany to Build the huge churches In Italy | ||
| Aesquire |
The tribes of Moses refer to the Jews, and there is probably a "council" or other decree of alliance, but you'd have to ask a Torah scholar, or someone who's read the bible better than I have. The people of Abraham refer to the 3 main religions ( and offshoots, such as Sufi, etc. ) that use the Old Testament. Jews, Christians, and Muslims. I haven't found any alliances there, just a long history of persecution and war. ( with occasional and tiny spots of tolerance and peace. ) Could be wrong though. Anyone else know? Martin Luther was one of the first to use political cartoons. Also, the Indulgences Luther railed against were a nifty custom currently in vogue, again. In Luther's day, you could go to the local Bishop, and for a donation to the Church, get a piece of paper stating your sins were indeed forgiven. ( a confession and Shriving were assumed. ) You could even pay in advance for an Indulgence, just in case you had an Eye on the Milkmaids daughter, and thought you might stray...or had a financial deal that was not approved of by Church law. Today we have indulgences, but they are now titled, "Carbon Credits" "Obamacare Waivers" and other forms of "paying forward your obligations to social justice". | ||
| Blake |
Muslims do not use the Old Testament. Even many Arab Christians in the Middle East don't read it. | ||
| Blake |
Pretty good documentary on Martin Luther on NetFlix. It was produced by the Lutherans, so it's very tough on the church of the day. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/Three%20Abrahami c%20Faiths.html Ok, the old testament bit is a massive oversimplification. I'm thinking the root question on this thread has to do with the Tribes of Moses, and not the later divisions of the monotheist faiths that center(ed) about Jerusalem. Cartoon history. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma96/puck/part1.html | ||
| Kenm123t |
Blake thats a good one pretty accurate for a movie, It was produced by Thrivent Insurance a lutheran investment company best stock broker I have ever had lol Stacey Keach played Luther made aroud the 500th annivesary. He played more like the actual Luther harder stronger presence | ||
| Slaughter |
Be careful, the Swedish Lutheran terrorists may be reading this. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Naw every ones knows its the crazy norskies that are dangerous. something about the Lutefisk keeps them on edge | ||
| 86129squids |
I felt the need to post the OP after watching the news about Palestine at the UN a few days ago- not to throw gas on the fire (all too common here on the BW), but geez, I gotta dream about history, if that was indeed the case way back. Crusty- in my Western Civ class, (a basic one), we read a cool book titled "The Cheese and the Worms"- has nothing to do with the Diet of Worms. (I do remember a rumor years ago that Wendy's used worms to make their hamburgers...) Heck, at least the thread drift on this one is entertaining, not alienating/polarizing. Thanks for playing nice, youn's... | ||
| Slaughter |
NORWEGIANS!! I KNEW IT!!! | ||
| Kenm123t |
<< Swedish Kanawha Cherokee Irish and Southern by the Grace of God Dont tell Doerman he seems unaffected but eating large amounts of pickled herring seems to counteract the Lutefisk. We could bring the Muslims to thier knees with one massive air raid spreading the Lutefisk over the mideast. Down side it lasts longer than Plutonium. could be 500 years before mideast could be entered again | ||
| Kenm123t |
If you guys want a real laugh check out Growing up Lutheran its a trip. If you did you may break a rib mark down the people you know that are represented by charactors in the book |
