Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 07:09 pm:
You're right. It was crap. However, if you wanted to work in the UK at that time, '70's & early '80's, you had to join the Union. Please realize that jobs were hard to find in those times & acceptance of union membership meant that you could earn a wage in order to provide for you & yours. Ask yourself this. "Why did 'Britch' emigrate to the USofA?" Unions: I don't trust them & I don't want to be any part of them! Chris C (Former ASTMS member) Also: I currently live in a right to work state. However, my employment terms & conditions are subject to a union contract. I don't belong to the union & I want nothing to do with them but they have a major input in how I am allowed to work. (FWIW: look up "Clive Jenkins" on the internet. He's an interesting guy.) Chris C
Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 07:15 pm:
Well I'm breaking my own promise but only to explain.
Mtjm2 as Chris said look up "closed shop".
Now think about paying your mortgage & putting food in your family's mouths. Also bear in mind the union can black-ball you, meaning for example you go to work for a non union company & you have to deliver in a union warehouse, some arse recognises you, you don't get tipped & the word goes round.
Believe me it happened, I saw it, & before Mrs Thatcher clipped their wings it was worse.
It's easy 20 years & an ocean away to say don't stand for it, go do something else. I can assure you if it had been as easy to do I'd have done it.
Posted on Saturday, September 24, 2011 - 08:21 pm:
I've worked all the angles. Non union shop where management wanted the union and we said no, non union where the union tried to get in but got some guys fired. Then got them so much money all the rest of us lost our jobs to the company going under, union job at Chrysler. We took over AMC, raped and pillaged, Kept Jeep. Got took over by Daimler, They raped and pillaged but couldn't strip Jeep off, So, they left. Fiat, wants Jeep. Sais that is all that could be taken global. Yeah, I left a lot out. I don't get time and a half after 8 hours anymore. Have to work 40 before it kicks in.
This thread is about wildly corrupt politicians and big union bosses. I actually figured Rocco would be just as outraged as I am about it. His knee-jerk is even worse than I had imagined.
Oops sorry, off topic. "Union Bosses & Democrat Politicians" like the scene in animal farm when the horse looked in the farm house window. He couldn't tell the farmers from the pigs.
Never forget that a union is also a business. Their stock in trade is people and their income is Union Dues.
Anyone here remember Overnite Transportation? After a three year long strike during which over 2,000 drivers had to give up their jobs at Overnite and find other work, the Teamsters gave up and left those drivers to fend for themselves.
I remember watching the documentary about that strike and marveling at how arrogant the union bosses were about it and about how little they even spoke about the hardships the drivers had to go through, and when they did their attitude was like "Oh well, it's gotta be done".
Consolidated Freightways? Remember them? One day they were open, the next they were closed. I don't know if being union hurt them, but it sure as hell didn't help.
(Message edited by Indy_bueller on September 25, 2011)
Oops sorry, off topic. "Union Bosses & Democrat Politicians" like the scene in animal farm when the horse looked in the farm house window. He couldn't tell the farmers from the pigs.
Or the Democrats from the Republicans. Or the Union leaders from the Industrialists. Or the murdering Pro Choicers from the murdering Pro Lifers.
Consolidated we out on Damage claims those idiots LOST 2 $90,000 Screw Compressors they weigh 2800lbs each. I needed 2 there were only 3 availble world wide. One was shipped air frieght Pwnzor tell every one what that costs. Carrier built another asap only 10days to get it. Consolidated went under about 2years later the Bankruptcy court sued me to make me accept them to clear claim from Carrier. Carrier would not accept them as returns they had been sitting outside in a parking lot for nearly 3 years packeaging was gone just the pallets left. Thank God my Secretary refused them. Speaks to their quality of work, Post Office is going the same way. People will pay Fed Ex more just to not deal with a PO employee What Rocco doesnt want to admit His UA pensions are nearing ERISA he better save that big money hes making.
Am I defending it? No. But I do get sick and tired of people lumping ALL unions together. I have yet to see my union defend one "slacker". I have yet to see union work in my area getting worse as far as quality. So let me get this straight. As some here, NEVER union members, know all about it from news articles. All union members are lazy, protected and their work quality sucks? Sorry, but you can kiss my ass on that one. I'd open a union shop in a second because I have a quality, trained workforce to choose from. My union has helmets to hardhats. We recruit returning vets into the building trades. My wife's cousin is now an apprentice due to this program. But you all seem to think that non union works are ass busting go getter's. And lots are. But I've seem MORE than my fair share of non union construction works spending most of the day on their phone, sitting around, coming in late and leaving early, trying to hide their illegally installed work from inspectors, stealing from the customers, stealing from their owners, drinking at break or lunch. So the pendulum swings both ways. I find it ironic that the Democratic Party being "in the unions pocket" bothers sooooo many here, yet the republican party being in the pocket of corporation doesn't seem to bother any of you. Pretty stupid on your part. Remember. a union IS a democracy. The members can vote up or down on a contract. Not have it crammed down our throat. Oh, and the owner of the company I work for? Living in a million dollar house in an affluent suburb of Chicago, taking about 4 vacations a year and owning some pretty damn nice cars...I think he's doing just fine. He treats us well, and in return, we bust our asses for him and because we appreciate our jobs. Is that so much different that ANY worker that takes pride in what they do? Union or not? Not all unions are the same, so give it a rest already.
1. The D's are just as happy to take money from Corporations as the R's. Look at BHO's millions from BP, Wall street, etc.
2. If ANY group, Union, pac, etc. ALWAYS gives only to one party, ( as many unions
tend to, including mine ) then the other party has no reason to help them. Nor, in time does the party always supported.
The analogies tend to get raunchy, but if your union always gives to D's then what always happens is....
A: the R's won't give a darn about the Union's cause, and
B: the D's won't either, since the Union is a lock. They always get the vote pressure and cash, so there is no need to do anything. I've seen this in person.
There's no longer need for a courtship. The D's KNOW they are getting support, so why do more than pretend to listen? It's not like the union's going to cross the aisle with cash and support. The Union's are now the cows. Free.
OTOH, there IS lots of govt. cash going to unions, so, If I was lucky enough to be in one of those, I'd be lucky enough to see even more of MY dues sent to Obama.
I completely agree not all unions are the same. Some are pretty good. The public sector unions, however have as their sole purpose power. Ask the teachers unions.
Rocket, why on earth would you distinguish "a big union" from "a big corporation". A big union is *precisely* a big corporation, with all the evils that come with it. Why is it OK for the democrats to be in the pocket of corporations (big union, big media, big education, big law) but evil for republicans to in other pockets?
Taking Rocco's statement as truth, when you add pension and benefits, he is going to be precariously close to being what BO is calling "the rich". Once the looting is done at this level of "rich" and it wasn't enough, guess who's next?
The sad thing is that many of the "rich" that BO is currently attacking are trying to run a business. They are likely to have far less actual cash coming in as Rocco. Those damn rich people!
One more thought. When businesses get together in collective bargaining they call it price fixing. When workers do it they call it a union.
Unions are extorsion groups now when Violence and destroying your employers production and reputation by Sabotage are part of negotiations they have become Criminal Enterprises under the RICO laws. The IBEW and Longshoremen should be disbanded as Criminal enterprises after the shooting of the Non Union Electrical contractor The longshoremens union that held the Security Guards Hostage should be disbanded and the members that took the Guards prisoner should be jailed Roccos employer wont be around very much longer Under BHOS taxes and Obama care the 50.3% tax on his healthcare his employer will have to pay on the Health and welfare part of his bene package will end the Gravy train.
