If we take every unwanted medically non-viable human ebyro and emplace it into the anal cavity of a male volunteer that believes they have a religious right to rule every woman's uterus... then they spend the next 8 months growing a fetus inside of their large colon and then birth it out of their arse and then they put that baby up for adoption and live with that hearbreak for the rest of their lives... then, and only then, would that male have a right to judge me and every other woman who has ever had to make the decision to abort an embryo.
Very odd argument. Obviously there is more to your personal story. We don't need to hear more here in an open forum nor would we ask for more details out of respect for you, but it doesn't change the overall fact pattern of abortion in general.
There is only one way to create a growing, viable embryo, and that is through sexual intercourse. That intercourse is either voluntary or involuntary. Based upon the statistics provided by Planned Parenthood, only 1% of abortions are due to forced encounters (rape or incest). If either of these events is part of your history, I am so sorry for that event for you. Although I can't condone abortion even in the event of rape and incest, I could understand not wanting to carry that child to term. Many, though, do. My next door neighbor is a prime example. Her daughter Ginger is a product of a date rape.
That leaves 99% of the abortions that are due to voluntary sexual intercourse. The act was conducted with the approval of two parties. A pregnancy is ALWAYS a possibility of sexual intercourse even when contraceptives are utilized. It's a risk taken by both parties.
The question of what a woman does or doesn't do with her body was answered well before abortion was part of the equation. The question then becomes is it fair or just for one person to place their needs and desires above the needs of another human being?
Another way to ask the question is does one human being have the right to choose life or death of another human being when it is a matter of convenience?
Planned Parenthood states that between 2% and 3% of abortions are performed for instances where the "mother's" health are at risk. Although I can't condone abortion even when the mother's health might be at risk, I can understand why someone might terminate the pregnancy if there were a high risk of death if carried to term.
So then we are left with 96% of abortions that are completely related to convenience. There are 100% viable adoptions for every child not aborted but available for adoption.
So the last issue is the actual act of carrying a child to term. Yes, it will require 9 months of your life. Yes, there will be physical changes. Is 9 months of inconvenience not worth the life of a human being?
Conversely, if an unwanted pregnancy is the potential risk of sexual intimacy, is 9 months of inconvenience worth the risk?
A friend of mine was the father of an unwanted child. He and the birth mother elected to give the child up for adoption rather than have it aborted. His current child is one adopted from an unwed mother.
My boss' daughter placed her unwanted child up for adoption at 19.
Another friend of mine and his wife are currently seeking an adopted child.
The couple across the street spent $30,000 each for their adopted daughters from China.
Another friend couple has just recently adopted 3 children from Ethiopia at a cost of $30,000 each.
Currently only about 2% of unwanted pregancies result in adoption.
Average price for a domestic adoption is $32,000.
The demand is high for adoptive children. The supply is available and yet not.
Don't forget Madonna and her flitting off to Africa to buy a fashionable black baby. ( didn't we have a WAR to prevent such things? )
Rape statistics are meaningless, the true number is closer to 1 in 5 women has been assaulted. Most are never reported, ditto fo incest. A teen is far more likely to be raped by mom's boyfriend than a stranger. ( mom will in most cases, be in denial as to the rape )
I feel certain the "implant the fetus in guys to make them understand" comment is a more polite way of telling some males that they have no stake in the process. ( usually the male's involvement in the whole deal only takes 10-15 minutes. )
Abortificants have been used for millions of years. Abortion for thousands. In a few more centuries,(1) they may perfect the operation, and simply tube the baby-to-be in an artificial womb. In certain places, it will even become mandatory. ( san fran comes to mind ) When lawyers argue that a baby in the womb is at risk that can be avoided by tubing......
I don't like abortion. It's a tragedy all around.
If you would forbid another abortion AND birth control, go have sex with yourself, and leave the rest of us alone. Seriously.
If you have objections on moral grounds, then support programs to reduce that number by improving education, encourage responsible behavior in the young ( Good Fracking LUCK! ) and making birth control easier to get. Condoms in the schools? Yes. The pill without parental permission? yes. Public executions by castration and exposure for rapists? Yes.
Doing the right thing often means doing the hard thing. We have many laws to protect babies once they are born, a law to protect them before they are born does not seem unreasonable.
Besides, it may have already been mentioned I haven't read the whole thread, but if a pregnant woman is killed, the murderer is charged with two counts of murder. So, a woman can choose to kill her unborn baby, but no one else can. That seems odd to me. If the baby is born, the woman has no more right to kill the baby.
I guess this issue is personal to me on a couple of levels. One is the moral/ethical level. I just believe it is wrong. The other is on the personal level. My mother became pregnant with me out of wedlock at 15 years of age. She was so ignorant, she didn't even understand how you got pregnant (this was a few years back). Abortion was not legal at the time, but it was available. Some people, including some family members, advised my mother that an abortion would be an easy way to handle the situation. I am very grateful she didn't choose that route. My mom's life has not always been easy since making that decision, but I don't believe she has ever regretted it. At least that's what she tells me.
In the immortal words of Forest Gump, that's all I've got to say about that.
