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1324
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1108_2012_honda _cbr1000rr_leaked_with_photos_video/index.html

I have to say, I'm impressed with what I see. The wheels look very light and they finally got the BPF fork that everyone raves about (never tried one myself). Wouldn't mind riding one of these.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it looks really nice, and I do like those wheels
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wonder if the cry babies at Honda will be back in the AMA with the new bike?
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wheels look heavy to me . . .

: )
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D_adams
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

30 lbs? 20?



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Svh
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am pretty sure they aren't the lightest wheels out there but I think those may be the best looking wheels out there.
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Thumper74
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not seeing a ton of material on those wheels. I've been wanting a 1000RR for a while now.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've seen this earlier on a CBR forum. Looks like a very nice bike. Honda makes great bikes no doubt. One thing though that just PMO. Can you look at any of those pics and see something that belongs on a bike from the 90's??
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1324
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aside from the color scheme (which I like)?
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i got it! its the 20th anniversary badge that says "1992-2012" right !? ; ) lol

Jake
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope its something a Liter bike shouldn't have anymore at this day and era.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cable actuated clutch?
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

clutch cable?

Jake
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok,no not a cable actuated clutch. All Liter bikes and even 600's are. Honda has a thing for putting high pressure rubber brake lines on there bikes. The bikes brakes always test very well in the braking area of tests but they do and will fade as heat builds. Why oh why can't they put steel braided lines on there bikes like all there comp??
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Why oh why can't they put steel braided lines on there bikes like all there comp??

Whip test. . . . or at least, for years, that was the stumbling block. Brankin could perhaps shed some details.

Buell was a leader as the first manufacturer to put a braided line on a production motorcycle.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

court - what year did Buell first do this?

I have to say that years back when I got my 99S3 I was shocked to see it had braided line and much of the competition from then and years after did not come with it stock.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>court - what year did Buell first do this?

I don't have access to my files at the moment but working from memory I think it was about 1990.

It was a HUGE thing at the time.

The "hurdle" was the requirements of FMVSS106 and SAE J1401 and, specifically, the "Whip Test".

The whip test standards require that "a hydraulic brake hose assembly shall not rupture when run continuously on a flexing machine for 35 hours."

It drew a good deal of attention at the time.

Here's some more information from our old Taurus SHO site that will shed a bit of light on what "braided" lines are and their advantages and shortcomings.


quote:

First, a quick explanation of what stainless-steel brake lines ARE:

The brake lines we're talking about are the flexible ones that connect between the hard lines (i.e., the inflexible tubing) in the car and the brake calipers on the wheels.

They've traditionally been made from rubber tubing, with steel or aluminum connectors crimped onto their ends. Nearly all passenger cars are shipped with rubber brake lines, and they hardly ever fail.

"Stainless-steel" lines are made of Teflon tubing, not rubber. Teflon has a number of advantages over rubber; the chief ones are that it doesn't expand under pressure and it doesn't deteriorate with age. It also resists high temperatures and is chemically inert, so it's compatible with all brake fluids.

However, Teflon is pretty fragile, so it has to be protected from physical damage (chafing, flying rocks, etc.). Although some manufacturers armor their Teflon hoses with Kevlar, most protect the Teflon with an external sheath of braided stainless-steel wire... So that's why armored Teflon hose is usually called "stainless-steel hose".

The ends of the hoses have to be securely attached to the brake calipers and the hard lines, so each hose is terminated by threaded hose-ends.

Those hose-end fittings can be attached to the hoses a couple of ways.

The cheap way is to crimp or swage them onto the hoses, like the fittings on rubber hoses. The more-expensive way is to use a two-piece replaceable hose end that captures a portion of the hose between an inner nipple and a concentric outer socket. These hose-ends (often referred to generically as "Aeroquip fittings" because they were invented by the Aeroquip Corporation) are used EVERYWHERE on aircraft and race cars.

Ok... So what's required for a stainless-steel brake line to be DOT-approved?

First, I should point out that there may be lines available that meet all the DOT specs, but are non-approved only because they haven't been submitted to the DOT for approval.

Manufacturers can't legally say that their lines are approved - - even if they KNOW that the lines meet all the DOT specifications -- without actually submitting them to the DOT.

For that reason, stainless-steel brake lines can fall into three categories:


"DOT approved" - These lines have been submitted to and approved by the US Department of transportation.
"non-approved" - These lines don't have a DOT approval, either because they don't meet the specs or simply because they haven't been submitted for testing.
"non-conforming" - These lines are non-approved (and non- approvable) because they fail to meet the DOT specs.

Ok...

The safety standard that brake hoses must meet is called Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 106; if you have a copy of the Code of Federal Regulations handy, it's in Title 49, Volume 5, Subpart B, Section 571.106.

The section that applies to hydraulic hoses is about six pages long, and it covers everything from labeling requirements to pressure and temperature testing.

One important thing to note -- this'll come up later when I explain why the "best" hose assemblies can't be DOT approved -- is that each of the requirements in the Standard carries the same weight; if a hose fails to meet ANY requirement, it won't be approved.

Hypothetically, therefore, a hose which met all the performance specs but was labeled in lowercase letters (the Standard requires block capitals) would fail to be approved.

Also, some of the features required by the Standard provide a certain amount of "idiot-proofing", but at the expense of absolute maximum strength or safety... It's the same sort of mandated mediocrity that forced Ferrari to replace the stock 5- point safety harnesses in US-spec F40s with those ridiculous motorized-mouse single shoulder belts.

Anyway...

Most of the "performance" specs in the Standard (i.e., burst strength, compatibility with brake fluids, tensile strength, expansion under pressure, etc.) are easily met by all halfway- decent hydraulic brake hoses, but there are a couple of tests and requirements that are particularly difficult for stainless- steel hoses to meet.

Those requirements are:

1. The manner in which the fittings must be attached to the hose.

FMVSS 106 specifies that "Each hydraulic brake hose assembly shall have PERMANENTLY ATTACHED brake hose end fittings which are attached by deformation of the fitting about the hose BY CRIMPING OR SWAGING." [Emphasis added]

The idea is that, since crimped-on fittings can't be loosened, a stupid end-user won't be able to screw with and weaken them.

This is a good thing from a product-liability point of view, I guess... But it means that any hose assembly which uses the very best fittings available - - like the nipple-and-cutter Aeroquip Super Gem or Earl's Speed Seal -- is non-conforming and CAN'T be DOT-approved.

2. The "whip-resistance" test.

This test involves mounting the hose on a flexing machine, pressurizing it to 235 psi, then running it at 800 RPM for 35 hours.

When steel-armored hoses were run through that test, it was found that the hoses tended to bend right at the junction between the hose and the hose-ends. After a while, the stainless-steel braid would start to tear, and the broken wires would cut into the inner Teflon liner, causing it to fail.

One brake-hose manufacturer fought to modify the whip test, claiming that their stainless-steel hose could easily comply with the test if only a supplemental support were used during testing to move the flexing-point away from the hose-ends.

The NHTSA ruled on the issue in August, 1996, deciding to allow manufacturers to use the supplemental support... But only on the condition that the same support was used when the hoses were installed on a real car.

FMVSS 106 was modified to include the use of the support, and the new rules went into effect in October, 1996.

"DOT-approved" stainless-steel brake hoses went on sale immediately thereafter.

So... Now that you know the whole story, you can make an informed decision as to whether you want to put hese things on your street-driven car.

If you decide to install them, you need to be aware of a few things:

1. When you install them, you must make SURE that they can't kink, twist, or stretch under any combination of wheel droop, bump, or (for the front wheels) steer.

2. The stainless-steel outer braid will cut through anything against which it rubs, so you have to make sure that the lines don't rub back and forth over anything important.

3. Stainless steel lines have been known to fail when dirt gets between the outer braid and the Teflon lining... As the braid moves back and forth, the dirt abrades the Teflon and can make it rupture. If you look at stainless-steel lines on motorcycles, you'll see that many of them are encased in plastic tubing, apparently in an effort to eliminate this problem. The tubing also helps considerably with the abrasion issue mentioned above.




To get a keener sense of what Buell was up against you can dig deeper into the FMVSS.
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Jens
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court I think you are correct, my 91 RSS have it at the front. But my wifes 96 first production S1 have a solidtube to rubber automotive style brakeline.

Another nice example about the cutting down the costs influence of Milwaukee. 5$?
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You have an RSS? . . . no wonder she married you!

She has a 1996 S1? . . . no wonder you married her!
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Phelan
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah my '95 S2 came factory with a stainless front and rubber back as well.
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Jens
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The proof was: I refurbish a pre WWII Zündapp in her kitchen, before I married her.

Works now for more than 20 years. Maybe all fuelheads should do that, could help to cut down the divorce quotes...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. Very impressive Jens!
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>The proof was: I refurbish a pre WWII Zündapp in her kitchen, before I married her.

That may be pushing it Jens.

You may know my good friend and famous distance rider Martin Hildebrand. After making Iron Butt history, much the result of a similar online engagement that led to my famed 1995 "Buell: Lap of America" wager . . . . on his Honda Gold Wing . . Martin then returned the following time the event was held and rode his girlfriends 167cc (smallest bike ever ridden in the Iron Butt) Zündapp. It was interesting . . . . in addition to riding about 23 hours a day, Martin had pistons and barrels shipped to strategic locations and rebuilt the motor the 24th hour of each day.

To me anything that involves:

  • Germans
  • Motorcycles
  • Zündapps
  • Girls


Always ends up amazing.
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Chauly
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, Court, Court...
CRS setting in? Did you forget the Party in Northbrook? Martin's purple ST1100 with the PC in the tankbag and a plasma screen over the dash? The 175cc Zundapp that had an 11 gallon tank (and 260-lb Martin) mounted? (now has the record for the smallest bike to finish the Iron Butt) And his third time running a 1938 BMW, which would have been the Oldest Bike had it's crankshaft halves not parted company in SC? (he gave it to the BMW museum in Spartanburg which happened to be nearby!) I do forget who was dissin' your S-2 that led to the Lap of America, but I don't think it was Martin...
I gotta keep ya straight!
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was not Martin ....... It was Steve Biegler who uttered the famed "Buells are nothing but the sweepings off the Harley factory floor"

No one here ...... Save you and Denise recall those halcyon days.
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Denisea
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Careful there Court. Reference to years and D should never be in the same sentence. No U-tubes from those days but boxes and boxes of photos in storage about the only thing that clears the cobwebs. : ) Those were early days of riding for me and were indeed some of the best.
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Chauly
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 07:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm...Murphy...Murphy... Westchester Co., right? I know I have the scooter trash photos around here somewhere...
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2011 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

D seems to have been frozen in time ....... Chalk it up to a life full of love and flowers ...... Powerful weapons both to ward off the impact of the years.

I still laugh every time I see a photo of her on the back of a Road King and sometimes feel like reminding people that girl can pilot a Sportbike with the best of them.

Great memories all.

I have find memories of the time Chauly ( I call him Chuck ) came to save me with a dose of 2 wheel therapy. After riding fabulous twisty roads for 4 hours I spied a road sign ..... We were only 11 miles from where we'd left.

I was dizzy ..... Smiling .....and regaining my spirit.

Folks like these are special and make a lifetime of amazing tales ..... I've more than my fair share.
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Jens
Posted on Monday, August 29, 2011 - 05:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, never met Martin personal, but heared that he´s a very special guy (-:

Keep your feet dry

Jens
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