| Author | Message | ||
     Trojan |
Would you that lack of discipline (lack of consequences for poor behavior) and a sense of entitlement are responsible for the riotous behavior? I agree. I would also say that there has been a core change in attitude as a result. People would not have done this kind of criminal looting in the past simply because it was wrong and they knew it was wrong(despite there being nobody there to stop them). Now the only thing stopping it is a physical police presence. So far 500+ people have been charged with various offences, and it is very surprising to see how many of these are working 'professionals' and young children under the age of 16. This shows that once people get caught up in the mob mentality they tend to revert to tribal instincts. Blake There are some nice folks in Europe. You forget about the english army shooting the Irish When we sent our guys to Bosnia, Purges before ww2 in Soviet Georgia What the Germans did to the jews and the Russian Communists continued. Are you familiar with Frank Whittle's story inventor of the Jet Engine. Class snob english Barbarians stole his lifes work and gave it to GE and Rolls Royce and sent him back to bomber command he was later killed in action. Do you understand my cesspool evaluation better now? It is very easy to criticise Europe when we have a 1000 year head start on you for bad deeds (and good ones). It is also easy to pick out instances from history to 'prove' how corrupt we are (although I don't get the bit about the english army shooting the irish when you were in bosnia?). I am sure that I could pick some pretty unsavoury instances of history from the last 300 years in the US too if I tried not too hard, but that isn't the point. Labelling a whole continent with 1000's of years history as a cesspool is just plain insulting. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Cesspools are created when one doesn't know a Creator. When that happens, people become un-accountable for their actions. | ||
| Trojan |
Cesspools are created when one doesn't know a Creator. When that happens, people become un-accountable for their actions If only that were true. Unfortunately people need to be accountable in this life rather than the next one (if at all), so we are all accountable to laws of the land and of society we live in . There have been too many horrific deds done over the years in the name of the 'Creator' for that to hold much water any longer I'm afraid, and it is all too easy to attribute bad acts to 'Gods will' as well. | ||
| Moxnix |
Wednesday nights "oh, really, O'Reilly?" has Dennis Miller as a guest. Other than that, I allow O'Reilly to blowviate his self-important fog horn against the night. | ||
| Blake |
Greg, I used to like O'Reilly. Really appreciated his zeal for exposing pedophile friendly judges an state legislatures. He's done some good work. I haven't watched him in a long time now though. I didn't like that he took to calling CO2 "gook". I liked when he hold people like Barney Frank accountable for telling folks that fannie mae was just fine and dandy mere days before they defaulted. I guess I'd say I'm 50/50 on O'Reilly. I like commentators who bring interesting new facts to the discussion. I appreciate Ann Coulter for that. >>> Cesspools are created when one doesn't know a Creator. I don't like the term cesspool. It's highly insulting. And anyway, I don't agree that lack of belief in a creator means societal disintegration, not always. See Japan for instance. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
So you're saying that while conservatives were/are in power, everything is okay? Last I checked, we have corporate media. wonder why so things are overly reported, while some important stories are swept under the rug. I still would like to know how social security is an entitlement when I pay for it with a payroll tax. If you want to get rid of it, just give me every dime I paid into it since my first day of work. I think you're nuts to blame anyone or anything but the person/people for acting like morons. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Social security seems to get lumped together with Medicaid/Medicare etc. when people refer to entitlements. There are entitlements within the social security system for people who are disabled, many of whom have never paid into the system. My friend's daughter has been collecting since she was 18 years old, never worked a day in her life and is now 42 years old. I'd be curious to see the numbers crunched and learn how that affects the system overall. I'm with Rocket on this, the people acting like idiots are individuals, and should be treated as such... it's too easy to blame mob mentality when people get "swept up" into a situation like this. | ||
| Blake |
Culture matters. Corporate media, yes, overwhelmingly dominated by Progressivist journalists. Blame the perpetrators, yes, meaning hold them accountable, yes! That's what we're talking about! The blame society nonsense peddled by some is nonsense. And begin at a young age! Where is there a failure of that? Would be interesting to learn how many of the looters come from single mother homes. Reportedly 70% of America's prison population come from single mother homes. Might it be prudent for society to recognize that and return to a morality that tends to frown on such behavior instead of glorifying it? (Message edited by blake on August 12, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Rocco, It's not just journalism. The oikaphobes in our entertainment industry have a HUGE impact on America. What is your take on the following? | ||
| Court |
>>>>just give me every dime I paid into it since my first day of work. I did that calculation once . . . assumed that every penny I'd put in had accrued interest at 3% . . . I'd get about 12X what I will someday . . about 20 years from now . . be able to get from social security. Depending on a government for anything but mare subsistence in an emergency is, in my thinking, poor judgement. I will say . . . and you union kids will love this. . . that one of the best investments I've ever had has been my I.B.E.W. retirement which has been sitting there pretty much ignored since 1968 racking up sweet returns. No clue where they were investing (not sure I want to know) but there were a number of years they returned 15-20%. | ||
| Moxnix |
There's an old African proverb: The ants devour the elephant. Two thumbs up for this guys efforts. | ||
| Blake |
See also the first two minutes of the following as well: America bad, blame America first, corporations bad, oil bad, coal bad, Christians bad. How many times have we seen right here on BadWeB people parroting marxist bile against "corporations"? Every time I see it I ask, what exactly they are talking about? The answer usually comes down to railing against the ludicrous compensation and golden parachutes of some CEOs, and that they should pay workers more and the CEO less, in short, covetousness. The absolute worst crimes against humanity, mass murder, brutal oppression, genocide, have ALL been perpetrated by government. Corporations sometimes misbehave too, but they may be held accountable. See Entron. Some corporations (see Enron) have lied to and effectively conned their employees and shareholders; they've not perpetrated genocide. Corporations are fairly easily held accountable, both by good government and by customers. Powerful governments are VERY difficult to hold accountable. See the American Revolution, World War 2, etc. Apple Computer doesn't have the power to force us to hand over our property or put us in prison if we refuse. Government does. Haliburton doesn't have the power to feel up our wives and children before allowing them to travel. Our government actually does that. Exxon doesn't invade, blow up, and burn a group of delusional religious conspiracy zealots and their children. Our government does that. Microsoft doesn't have the power to execute people, or assassinate them with high powered rifles while on their own property; our government does that. Corporations don't have unimaginable military might and an overwhelming force of armed officers at their disposal. Our government does. So, given history and the above facts, should we be most wary of powerful corporations or powerful government? You support giving more power and more responsibility to our federal gov't? Rocco, I think if push comes to shove and elitism in gov't allied with Hollywood and the media continues to grow and gain power, I think you and I will be fighting shoulder to shoulder to oppose it. Let's hope it never comes to that. | ||
| Blake |
Bill Whittle's "What We Believe" series is excellent. (Message edited by blake on August 12, 2011) | ||
| Two_seasons |
Let me put my thought of not knowing a Creator a little clearer. Maybe. All references of our Creator, God, were removed from our public schools here in America back in 1963. The Ten Commandments were removed from the walls of the classrooms. The textbooks started to supplant references to God with stories about Malcolm X and Che Guevara, et al. Add to that school teachers who have an agenda for "social justice". Top that off with programs that school administrators deem necessary, such as inviting persons such as Bill Ayers, co-founder of the Weather Underground, to speak to and enlighten our youth. Add a lack of knowledge of the US Constitution and you have teens to people in congress who lack respect for life in general. Our laws were originally written to ensure our liberty and our pursuit of happiness within the confines of God's laws. Today our laws are written without knowledge of the original basis for those original laws. Today our laws are written to enslave and control. Today, we have youth and adults that believe the world revolves around them. We are into the second generation of people believing that they are owed. And when denied, the results are riotous. And their knowledge of our Creator, God, isn't there as part of their worldview. | ||
| Jhallgren |
^ Exactly | ||
| Blake |
With that I can mostly agree. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I love how Che is a galavanting well meaning motorcyclist on an 'adventure' to save central america from disease and social disparities..... gotta love Hollywood. followed by of course the Gap and his line of T-shirts. Have they duly cannonized Castro yet ? | ||
| Britchri10 |
Can't canonize him yet, he isn't dead/hasn't been murdered by an Imperialist regime! | ||
| Kenm123t |
I used Cesspool since it is the Mildest term I can use for Europe. I know about the Trail Of Tears my family was there Cherokee and Kanawha. To stay on a recent topic the Liars at the Climate Research program. Trying to Impose their program to shut down the electric grid raise taxes and basically charge us for the air we breath. Look up the Fabian socialists and their promotion of Infanticide for children with birth defects. Now there is bunch that just crawled up out of hell! Hi Rocco the promise breaker. | ||
| Trojan |
I used Cesspool since it is the Mildest term I can use for Europe. I'd love to know which places you have visited in Europe to justify that insulting remark. I have been to some pretty sh*tty places around ther world and believe me they are not exclusively or even a majority in Europe. Ever been to Africa (pick almost any country you like)?, Asia (likewise) if you want to see cesspools of suffering, corruption and cruelty in the modern world. Do you honestly think that the Fabian society represents what most people think? As for climate change, it is happening before our eyes whether we like it or not. The only argument is just how responsible we are for it. Is it just cyclical change or have we caused it? Either way, we are all going to have to live with it and other unfortunate effects of our oil guzzling lifestyles. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Trojan: You're loosing me dude. Climate change is just that, change. Back in the '70s we had the chicken littles saying "were heading into another ice age". Aren't we off topic in this thread with climate change? | ||
| Trojan |
Sorry, just picking up on Kenm123t's rant above regarding climate research  | ||
| Reindog |
bump.... curious about the silence concerning Bill Whittle's series above. It would be interesting to what others think about his "Small Government" presentation. | ||
| Honolulu_blue_esq |
Reindog: Watched the first one. Sorry, don't have time right now to watch the rest. I think the video does a good job of outlining the way conservatives think of themselves, but the description given applies more to libertarianism than conservatism. The tea party is the closest thing to a major libertarianism movement we've had in years, except that it still wants the government to regulate social issues (who can get hitched, what you can put in your body, etc). The problem I've always wrestled with is two-fold, and a genuine answer (as opposed to one-line political rhetoric) would be appreciated. Conservatives don't like big government because they fear the centralization of power in the hands of a few. 1. Why don't they fear the same thing when the risk of centralization of power takes the form of corporate america? 2. Why is it okay for government to tell us we can't do drugs in our own homes or other private places, who we can and can't engage in sexual relations with, who can and can't marry, etc.? | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm with you there HBE. Government should not be involved in marriage. Marriage is historically a religious construct. The first amendment would appear to preclude government involvement. And yet I still have to get a permit from the state. | ||
| Reindog |
HBE, Thank you once again for a thoughtful reply. I agree with both your points. Gotta get to work so I'll be brief. 1. The centralization of corporate power is dangerous to a free economy. This is called a monopoly and disrupts true supply and demand. This is precisely one of the reasons that we Conservatives believe in a small government. We need enough regulations to prevent predatory corporate behavior just as our Constitution prevents predatory behavior by the government. I don't think anyone here is arguing for no regulations. 2. It is not OK. I don't remember Bill Whittle arguing this point. Try to find time to watch the remainder of the the videos as I found them moving even though Bill was "preaching to the choir" in my case. Do you know of similar videos outlining a thoughtful, logical presentation of Progressive views? - A former Liberal Democrat. | ||
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| Reindog |
What a silly video. | ||
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| B00stzx3 |
The entrenched system and money in politics are the biggest problems. Both of those problems will resist and defeat any efforts to change, and that's why things are the way they are. Then again I'm young and jaded with the Republicrat/Dempublican system we have now.Just my .02! |
