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Blake
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 12:28 am: |
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Cool in a manly testosterone kind of way. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/10/us-mil itary-fastest-plane-falcon |
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Boltrider
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 01:26 am: |
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That is way cool. I like how the wind tunnel can't test that high, but it also says the computer modeling can't either. I wonder why that is? Or maybe the tunnel and computer are used in conjunction, so not having one negates the other. (Message edited by boltrider on August 11, 2011) |
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Cityxslicker
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 05:32 am: |
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The Chinese are working on developing a Naval variant of the Su-27 Frogfoot.... very ominous, it would be akin to us putting an A-10 and launching it off our flat tops. A killing machine of impressive ordinance. PS the new Red Dawn is coming out soon, It is the Chinese invading this time... apparently the radical Jihadi influx of terrorists wasnt believable enough for Hollywood, or maybe it was too PC to broach. But indeed, if China decides to 'repo' to collect on bad debt - a carrier is a nice door knocking tool. |
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Hybridmomentspass
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 08:33 am: |
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ah crap, they are redoing Red Dawn? Man it had the Swaze in it, no movie should be redone that stars the Swaze. Damn that was a great movie. F Hollywood man, no ideas |
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Trojan
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 08:42 am: |
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The most surprising aspect of this thread is that Blake is reading the Guardian (Renowned left wing newspaper of the English chattering classes!). The fact that someone can make a hypersonic airplane pails into insignificance besides this astinishing fact ![: )](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/happy.gif) |
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Blake
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 09:33 am: |
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I read 'em all mate! See www.DrudgeReport.com. What's odd is that I don't recall seeing any other press about an upcoming hypersonic plane test, at least not lately. |
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Pwnzor
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 10:56 am: |
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Anybody got a size comparison of their carrier vs. one of ours? In the pictures, theirs looks like a borrowed Russian design... and it looks small to me. |
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Rfischer
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:03 am: |
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They bot it from someone....maybe Russia. I saw it reported but don't recall the details. It's been in re-fit for over a year after they took delivery of it. And they don't have any trained carrier people to run it. It'll not likely be operational for a considerable time while they train people to drive it and fly off it. |
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Cityxslicker
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:14 am: |
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The Kiev http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/kiev.htm The Shi Lang http://asian-defence.blogspot.com/2011/06/chinese- shi-lang-aircraft-carrier-new.html It is a Kiev model that never made the Soviet fleet. why innovate when you can buy, copy or steal - we should not be surprised at their 'innovation' |
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Pwnzor
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:33 am: |
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What surprises me is that China hasn't built a whole fleet of their own carriers... I mean, if I had half a billion slaves I'd have done it by now. |
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Cityxslicker
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:39 am: |
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I dont see them being able to recover the Frogfoot off that thing, they must be planning the Doolittle option. Launch, one way trip, no shipboard recovery. |
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Glitch
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:50 am: |
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http://www.darpa.mil/Flight%20Overview%20slide--UP DATED%20as%20of%2029%20Jul%2011.html Right on top of that new carrier ![](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/laugher.gif) |
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Honolulu_blue_esq
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 11:53 am: |
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Oops. Was your carrier parked there? Sorry about that. We were just doing some testing. Gosh. It is a big ocean. I can't believe your new carrier was parked RIGHT THERE. ![](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/bugout.gif) |
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Pwnzor
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 12:09 pm: |
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LOL!!!! |
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Blake
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 12:21 pm: |
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A carrier alone does not a carrier make. LOTS of additional assets are required if it is to be a viable projection of military force. China may get there, but they still have a ways to go. |
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Cityxslicker
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 12:38 pm: |
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your peanut butter got into my chocolate |
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Strokizator
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 01:00 pm: |
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What surprises me is that China hasn't built a whole fleet of their own carriers... Historically, China has never been into empire building. They had a large trading fleet 600 or so years ago but they mostly keep to themselves and distrust the rest of the world. Yeah, they took over Tibet but where would/will they go after that? |
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Imonabuss
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 02:59 pm: |
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Right. "Hong Kong, er...Taiwan will be our last territorial demand..." |
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Swordsman
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 03:02 pm: |
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LOL, anyone reading the Twitter posts about the test flight? They lost it about 3 hours ago. P-o-o-f! https://twitter.com/#!/DARPA_News (BW is botching the link, copy paste) ~SM |
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Hootowl
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 03:05 pm: |
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Even if things go as planned, it eventually drops in the ocean correct? |
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Eboos
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:27 pm: |
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The real question is: has the Chinese military ever been tested? Aside from their partisipation in the Korean war, what military action beside suppressing their own people, have they been in? Even if they had the exact same equipment as we do, it takes experience to have a formidible combat ready force. |
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Hootowl
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:30 pm: |
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Or a few million soldiers with guns. Low tech, but effective. Especially if you don't care how many die. |
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Tbolt_pilot
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:41 pm: |
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It's true that sometimes my mind is in the gutter but I instantly had a "That's what she said!" moment when I saw that upturned carrier nose and the Chinese(spit) name for it....Shi-lang. Seems it would be pronounced 'sh-LONG'. This carrier's name would be second only to their 'No-Dong' missiles...especially when they are launched from a missile erector. OK back to your regular discussion. |
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Blake
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:41 pm: |
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More than nine minutes of data was collected before an anomaly caused loss of signal. Initial indications are that the aircraft impacted the Pacific Ocean along the planned flight path." “Here’s what we know,” said Air Force Maj. Chris Schulz, DARPA HTV-2 program manager and PhD in aerospace engineering. “We know how to boost the aircraft to near space. We know how to insert the aircraft into atmospheric hypersonic flight. We do not yet know how to achieve the desired control during the aerodynamic phase of flight. It’s vexing; I’m confident there is a solution. We have to find it.” “Prior to flight, the technical team completed the most sophisticated simulations and extensive wind tunnel tests possible. But these ground tests have not yielded the necessary knowledge. Filling the gaps in our understanding of hypersonic flight in this demanding regime requires that we be willing to fly,” said DARPA Director Regina Dugan. “In the April 2010 test, we obtained four times the amount of data previously available at these speeds. Today more than 20 air, land, sea and space data collection systems were operational. We’ll learn. We’ll try again. That’s what it takes.” According to Schulz, three technical challenges exist within this HTV-2 flight regime. They are categorized as aerodynamic; aerothermal; and guidance, navigation and control. And each phase of flight introduces unique obstacles within these areas. “To address these obstacles, DARPA has assembled a team of experts that will analyze the flight data collected during today’s test flight, expanding our technical understanding of this incredibly harsh flight regime,” explained Schulz. “As today’s flight indicates, high-Mach flight in the atmosphere is virtually uncharted territory. ” In the coming weeks, the assembled independent Engineering Review Board will review and analyze the data collected. This data will inform policy, acquisition and operational decisions for future Conventional Prompt Global Strike programs—the goal of which, ultimately, is to have the capability to reach anywhere in the world in less than one hour. from http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2011/2011 /08/11DARPA_HYPERSONIC_VEHICLE_ADVANCES_TECHNICAL_ KNOWLEDGE.aspx |
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Eboos
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:42 pm: |
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That would depend on the warfighting stratigies being used. War with China would be far less inhibited then the conflicts that we've been in in the past 50 years. |
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Cityxslicker
| Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 05:53 pm: |
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I cant even imagine a data link to something moving that fast..... I wonder if they got the Blue screen of Death for 57 seconds. (because at that speed, really that is about all it would take for it to go horribly off course) what kind of warhead payload would be available to it ?... how is this an improvement over an ICBM with MIRV capability ? cool technology, but I dont see the venue for it. attack and reach targets in under an hour.... somebody hasnt recently studied the program requirements of the Triad of platforms doctrine from the 6o's ! |
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Rfischer
| Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 08:09 am: |
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I think the rationale for this technology is that a hyper-speed atmospheric vehicle would be harder to intercept than a ballistic missile. Or so the thinking goes... |
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Swordsman
| Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 10:06 am: |
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I think the rationale for this technology is that a hyper-speed atmospheric vehicle would be harder to intercept than a ballistic missile. Or so the thinking goes... I would agree with that. I mean, c'mon... 4 miles per second! I doubt any other nation on the planet could calculate an interception at those speeds (and since we can't even keep track of it, that probably includes us as well). ~SM |
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Fast1075
| Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 10:25 am: |
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The old Minuteman II from the 60's had a reentry speed of 15K MPH. |
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Natexlh1000
| Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 01:26 pm: |
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If the weapon is moving at a fast enough speed, a warhead isn't needed. If it was moving at .01 the speed of light fer instance...... |