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     Ferris_von_bueller |
That was your boy Bush and his Repub cronies that came up with and signed into law this act.... That piece of popcorn stuck between your ears is still fixated on Republicans and Democrats. It's way beyond that. Both parties are in cohoots and pawns of their puppet masters | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Didn't Obama extend for four more years the main provisions of the Patriot Act? If you don't like it, you shouldn't have supported it. It's YOUR law now! As is: The Economy The War in Iraq The War in Afghanistan The Deficit The Debt The Downgrade The GITMO The Bush Derangement Syndrome was cured 11/2008. The rest of this mess is now yours. Congrats. | ||
| Spiderman |
WOW now you hardcore conservatives and liberals and commies are getting it. You guys voted in all the idiots. You support all these tards. And instead of doing anything you abandon your country or come on a Motorcycle forum and bitch. If you have such a great solution there City Boy run for a local office, you make some real change. Put your money where your mouth is instead of dropping your AmeriKKKan money on some Rushki. And Fatty, LOL keep prying maybe JeBu$ shall sabe your soul! Cause again it is easier to ask then do ain't it ya'll!  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Ukrainian, and when the revolution hits, I will be quite well prepared. why run for government, it is the problem, not the solution. Nobody thought the Soviet Union would self implode either.... Afghanistan, the grave yard of empires. I was born in America - I have spent 15 years in Shiate hole Europe fighting the very thing that is developing here. This aint the place I left, this aint the place I intend to be when it hits. (and this is not the only board I am on) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
And instead of doing anything you abandon your country or come on a Motorcycle forum and bitch. And Fatty, LOL keep prying maybe ••••• shall sabe your soul! Cause again it is easier to ask then do ain't it ya'll! What do you contribute? (Message edited by ft bstrd on August 10, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Keyboard stuck in mouth make typing difficult. Stick to issues. Avoid the personal stuff. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Stick to issues. Avoid the personal stuff. I agree. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
so if it is NOT a population processing and infectious disease control terminous with furnace capabilities; for a coming 'epidemic' then what the happy hell is it ? The green, blue, red markings are consistent with UN processing for EPW, Ethnic Clensing stations that I have worked before. It is not a weapons grade facility, it is not secure enough for that, a lab would already have guards and not need for the multiple locations through out the country..... what is it ? You could do an FOIA - I bet you get crickets. (I am still waiting for the real numbers from the CBO for the healthcare bill - bast@rds still wont show their work for the numbers) Or you could hope that Assange lets fly a WikiLeaks on it; (though not in his agenda to go trapsing on that side of the tracks) It is a processing station, consistent with CDC/FEMA infectious control; the current grant for 'Population Food Emergencies' and the programs of Resilience as outlined from the USPHS Commissioned Corps. They most assuredly are not disney land. Read up on the H1N1 and the flow of that 'epidemic' for distribution, vaccination, morbidity, mortality, and what Roush is up to for the next wave (They again have the exclusive contract for the next H1N3 'expected' 2012/2013. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Spidey your point is ? | ||
| Spiderman |
The point, all talk no action. Well I guess leaving the country is an action. Fatty, What do I need to do. I am not obsessed with this idea that big brother is coming to rape me. I spend my time volunteering coaching youth hockey and at a no kill rabbit shelter. But I guess I should put on my foil and stop actually helping people... Live your life boys, too much fun out there to be spent plotting your paranoia... But I guess that is your hobby? LOL | ||
| Spiderman |
Keyboard stuck in mouth make typing difficult. LOL Ahhh the biggest proponent of hypocrisy wants to talk about foot in mouth syndrome. I can never take anything you say without laughing till I pee... | ||
| Swordsman |
I'm just flustered enough at what's been going on in the news lately to buy into this stuff. Shit. ~SM | ||
| Cityxslicker |
"But I guess that is your hobby? LOL" nope, it was my paid job for years, briefing directly to Navy Captains, Army Colonels and on more than one occasion Flag Command staff across multiservices, deployed to multiple such 'events'. Its called indications and warnings, intelligence and analysis. And when the button was pushed in the past, I was on the other side of the table, I know exactly the tactics- because I did them. believe what you want. Watch London, it should be instructional, they wrote the White Paper for Resilience after WTO. Watch how, when, and how often they escalate from water cannon and rubber bullets. It should be an enlightening month. Several had asked me to say when I thought it was getting bad. This is me saying it is there. This is your warn notice that they plan on doing stupid things that you have not thought possible on domestic soil. Do with it what you will. PS, the paranoia is fun if you put it to a catchy tune. | ||
| Fast1075 |
When I was a kid...(long long ago in a galaxy far far away)...there was an old couple that ran a General Store in my neighborhood. They were grey haired and spoke with an accent I later learned was German. One day I noticed the old man had a number tattoed on his arm....I was naturally curious...my Dad had a tattoo, but it was different...the old man's tattoo was just a set of numbers..so I asked him why he had it. The old guy told me the story of his tattoo and had his wife show me hers...one of the things he said, was nobody believed the rumors of what was happening...that in a civilized society like Germany, not like that COULD happen.... He had a picture of his family from happier times on display...with a caption that said "Never forget"... The entire world is progressing towards a terrible time. It is inevitable that if the population continues to grow, we will run out of resources...the only question is when...and WHO gets access to the remaining resources...to think otherwise is burying your head in the sand. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't agree that we'll run out of resources. We will run out of the advances that keep us ahead of running out of resources. When the economic system breaks down, people who can design and develop systems to create new sources of energy or make existing sources more plentiful don't have the ability and opportunity to create them. The population explosion/global famine people of the 70's and 80's never factored in the ability for people to create newer and better ways to cultivate food. As the price goes up, people will create better ways to make the item for sale more plentiful to meet that demand and capture more of the higher priced items. | ||
| Crusty |
I can go back to almost any point in the past 60 years and remember when the world was going to hell in a handbasket. I remember having nightmares about the Bomb in the mid 60s; and how the Big One was about to happen between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. I remember the Viet Nam War, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Iran, Iraq, Two Bush's, Clinton, etc, etc, etc. There is always a Prophet of Doom to elaborate and elucidate how we're on the road to hell. Now, I consider the source; and I wonder why the people who really know what's wrong with the Government spend so much time hanging around a motorcycle forum, instead of working toward a solution. | ||
| Swordsman |
There is always a Prophet of Doom to elaborate and elucidate how we're on the road to hell. I guess the problem is, from time to time, Hell does pop up. Like what Fast said. When you get enough nutjobs in power (and we've got a whole bushel of nuts), things you never would have given any thought to sudden become possible. This economic mess isn't metaphysics. It's common sense, and the non-government experts have been warning about it for years now. And the Feds just keep pushing harder, digging us is deeper. They simply CANNOT be that dense, which leaves only one alternative: it's intentional. And if it's intentional, that opens up a whole realm of possibilities that is frikkin' scary to dwell on. ~SM | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Odd that if the Prophet of Doom is talking about Global Warming, then it must be legit. If someone is the Prophet of Doom regarding the signs of impending totalitarianism, then it must be bunk. Funny how that works. Now, when the global warming folks can prove that those taking actual photos of these facilities are faking their data, we might take notice. It's the global warming folks seeking to create hysteria over junk science that seem to continually be caught faking data. | ||
| Spiderman |
I wonder why the people who really know what's wrong with the Government spend so much time hanging around a motorcycle forum, instead of working toward a solution. Hmmmm someone else that notices a common trend with the Revolutionary Warriors. LOL Although I would love to see the two Fat Boy and City Slicker lead the rally against the government. I bet the revolution ends at the first doughnut or ice cream shop LOL | ||
| Crusty |
There are all kinds of Prophets of Doom, and they don't restrict themselves to any one Ideology or political party. Besides, I don't see anybody on Badweb Prophesying Global Warming. Now here's something that you can get your knickers in a knot over: The rich are different — and not in a good way, studies suggest The 'Haves' show less empathy than 'Have-nots' By Brian Alexander Psychologist and social scientist Dacher Keltner says the rich really are different, and not in a good way: Their life experience makes them less empathetic, less altruistic, and generally more selfish. In fact, he says, the philosophical battle over economics, taxes, debt ceilings and defaults that are now roiling the stock market is partly rooted in an upper class "ideology of self-interest." “We have now done 12 separate studies measuring empathy in every way imaginable, social behavior in every way, and some work on compassion and it’s the same story,” he said. “Lower class people just show more empathy, more prosocial behavior, more compassion, no matter how you look at it.” In an academic version of a Depression-era Frank Capra movie, Keltner and co-authors of an article called “Social Class as Culture: The Convergence of Resources and Rank in the Social Realm,” published this week in the journal Current Directions in Psychological Science, argue that “upper-class rank perceptions trigger a focus away from the context toward the self….” In other words, rich people are more likely to think about themselves. “They think that economic success and political outcomes, and personal outcomes, have to do with individual behavior, a good work ethic,” said Keltner, a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley. Because the rich gloss over the ways family connections, money and education helped, they come to denigrate the role of government and vigorously oppose taxes to fund it. “I will quote from the Tea Party hero Ayn Rand: “‘It is the morality of altruism that men have to reject,’” he said. Whether or not Keltner is right, there certainly is a “let them cake” vibe in the air. Last week The New York Times reported on booming sales of luxury goods, with stores keeping waiting lists for $9,000 coats and the former chairman of Saks saying, “If a designer shoe goes up from $800 to $860, who notices?” According to Gallup, Americans earning more than $90,000 per year continued to increase their consumer spending in July while middle- and lower-income Americans remained stalled, even as the upper classes argue that they can’t pay any more taxes. Meanwhile, the gap between the wealthiest and the rest of us continues to grow wider, with over 80 percent of the nation’s financial wealth controlled by about 20 percent of the people. Unlike the rich, lower class people have to depend on others for survival, Keltner argued. So they learn “prosocial behaviors.” They read people better, empathize more with others, and they give more to those in need. That’s the moral of Capra movies like “You Can’t Take It With You,” in which a plutocrat comes to learn the value of community and family. But Keltner, author of the book “Born To Be Good: The Science of A Meaningful Life,” doesn’t rely on sentiment to make his case. He points to his own research and that of others. For example, lower class subjects are better at deciphering the emotions of people in photographs than are rich people. In video recordings of conversations, rich people are more likely to appear distracted, checking cell phones, doodling, avoiding eye contact, while low-income people make eye contact and nod their heads more frequently signaling engagement. In one test, for example, Keltner and other colleagues had 115 people play the “dictator game,” a standard trial of economic behavior. “Dictators” were paired with an unseen partner, given ten “points” that represented money, and told they could share as many or as few of the points with the partner as they desired. Lower-class participants gave more even after controlling for gender, age or ethnicity. Keltner has also studied vagus nerve activation. The vagus nerve helps the brain record and respond to emotional inputs. When subjects are exposed to pictures of starving children, for example, their vagus nerve typically becomes more active as measured by electrodes on their chests and a sensor band around their waists. In recent tests, yet to be published, Keltner has found that those from lower-class backgrounds have more intense activation. Other studies from other researchers have not produced the clear-cut results Keltner uses to advance his argument. In surveys of charitable giving, some show that low-income people give more, but other studies show the opposite. “The research regarding income and helping behaviors has always been little bit mixed,” explained Meredith McGinley, a professor of psychology at Pittsburgh’s Chatham University. Then there is the problem of Tea Partiers’ own class position. While they are funded by the wealthy, many do not identify themselves as wealthy (though there is dispute on the real demographics). Still, a strong allegiance to the American Dream can lead even regular folks to overestimate their own self-reliance in the same way as rich people. As behavioral economist Mark Wilhelm of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis pointed out, most people could quickly tell you how much they paid in taxes last year but few could put a dollar amount on how they benefited from government by, say, driving on interstate highways, taking drugs gleaned from federally funded medical research, or using inventions created by people educated in public schools. There is one interesting piece of evidence showing that many rich people may not be selfish as much as willfully clueless, and therefore unable to make the cognitive link between need and resources. Last year, research at Duke and Harvard universities showed that regardless of political affiliation or income, Americans tended to think wealth distribution ought to be more equal. The problem? Rich people wrongly believed it already was. | ||
| Swordsman |
Spidey, I hate to say it, but considering your "involvment" is playing sports and feeding rabbits (not that there's anything wrong with either, mind you, I've fostered dogs myself), I don't think you have any room to talk about "taking action". You can bet your ass there was a long, long line of discussions around a table before anyone popped a musketball at a Redcoat. Whatever failures I have known, whatever errors I have committed, whatever follies I have witnessed in private and public life have been the consequence of action without thought. Bernard M. Baruch ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on August 10, 2011) | ||
| Spiderman |
Yeah but helping in the community trumps internet bitching any day... | ||
| Spiderman |
And coaching youth is not playing. I'm not sure if you have every played any youth sports, but a good coach is hard to come by not to mention building confidence, skill character, etc... | ||
| Blake |
Crusty, Just getting to the truth, whatever it may be, is probably the most important service that can be done in the case of defending freedom in America. Only 41% of Obama voters in 2008 knew that the Democrats were in control of congress, while 63% of McCain voters knew it. Getting the truth out there might be a very valuable effort to enjoin, no? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Blake |
Crusty, >>> Psychologist and social scientist Dacher Keltner says... Translation: A liberal elite says... Thing is if you separate the rich liberals from the rich conservatives, you'll find an incredibly stark contrast in charitable giving. Conservatives are more charitable by far than liberals. Simply look at the charitable giving records of John Kerry versus George W. Bush. No comparison. Look at Obama and Biden. It's ludicrous how folks so intent on taking from people to redistribute to others are or were so lacking in charitable giving themselves. (Message edited by Blake on August 10, 2011) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How is wanting to keep what you've EARNED "greedy"? Shouldn't greed be defined as wanting something that isn't yours and you didn't earn? | ||
| Blake |
>>> Ahhh the biggest proponent of hypocrisy wants to talk about foot in mouth syndrome. I can never take anything you say without laughing till I pee... Lack of bladder control may be bringing out your mean side. It's unbecoming. | ||
| Strokizator |
According to Wikipedia, "Dacher Keltner is a professor of psychology at University of California, Berkeley as well as the Director for Greater Good Science Center, formerly known as the Center for the Development of Peace and Well-Being. Professor Keltner received his B.A. in Theatre Studies from the University of California, Santa Barbara and his Ph.D. from Stanford University, and he completed three years of post-doctoral work with Paul Ekman at the University of California, San Francisco. He is the author of more than 80 scholarly articles and two books." Just the guru I'll be taking lessons from. | ||
| Spiderman |
Un-christian like and Un-American like behavior is quite the same for you good sir. Unbecoming that is... |
