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Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 07:24 pm: | 
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If you are looking at the new market, current 2011 trucks, check this out.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-666321534 0231855380#
Hard to argue.
R |
Spike240sx
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 07:39 pm: |
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Well as a production made for and paid for by Ford, did you not it expect it to be a lil one sided towards their products? |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 07:46 pm: |
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Agreed, but a bit hard to argue with. It's significant that they tear down the competition side by side to make each point. Makes you wonder why no other manufacture has done a rebuttal.
BTW, in Chevy's training materials for salespeople, it basically says "try to avoid comparisons to Fords".
Yes I am somewhat taken with the Blue Oval, but I work at a Ford dealer cause I like Fords, not like Fords cause I work at a Ford dealer.
Do an honest comparison, drive them both, look at all of the issues addressed in the video on any truck you are considering, then buy the one you like.
Fair enough?
R |
Cyclonedon
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 07:51 pm: |
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I also like the blue oval, it reminds me of a motorcycle company that I like their products also!
I'd go with the Ford and if your towing alot of heavy weight, get a diesel. |
Spike240sx
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 07:52 pm: |
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"Do an honest comparison, drive them both, look at all of the issues addressed in the video on any truck you are considering, then buy the one you like."
That is precisely what I did and thats why I chose the Tundra. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:01 pm: |
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I used to pull some very heavy loads. once I twisted the frame of a 1 ton GMC, I never hurt the ford with same load but found it a little short on torque. the dodge handled the same load a lot better but I did have trouble twisting U-Joints. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:04 pm: |
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You can always make more power. That's easy.
You can't go back in and re-engineer the frame.
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Cowboy
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:04 pm: |
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I wish there had been a 1 ton toyota to test but no auch luck. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:08 pm: |
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@spike240sx:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4
R
(Message edited by carbonbigfoot on August 08, 2011) |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:21 pm: |
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I watched the entire Ford video. Lots of missing information. Such as why not compare all of the trucks for each of the part segments. This video has them telling you their F150 is the nuts, but a look at the F250 through F550 will show that according to the video are junk just like the Chevy frame. Open C channel frame on the "real trucks".
The only thing that keeps any of them from being a POS is if you get one with no warranty returns or recalls for it's life time. Best new one I have ever had was a new '98 Dodge Dually Diesel. It did 40,000+ miles without a single reason to go back to the dealer for warranty in the three years I had it.
The thing that gripes me on the Ford is the problems are known failures. They replace the parts with the same known to fail parts and around you go. When warranty runs out the only thing most people can do is go back to the dealer for the same known to fail parts. The after market is finally getting some good more affordable replacement stuff out there.
I bought my '04 used. It came with a folder of invoices from when it was new. The list is long and large, with a value of more than the truck cost new. Therefore when I bought it I saw a truck with all of these new parts and thought that was a good place to start. However these same parts need replacement over and over again. Ford's answer is basically "oh well, bring it in, we will fix it again only the warranty is up, so you will have to pay. Again the big problem is the repairs do not fix the 6.0 diesel, it just puts it back on the road with a question mark that asks when the next failure will occur. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:27 pm: |
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What good is a beefy frame with an engine and transmission that won't work? |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:42 pm: |
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<ahem>
Best selling vehicle, car, truck or SUV, best selling thing with 4 wheels in the USA.
They're doing something right.
R |
Spike240sx
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:42 pm: |
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Ok so maybe my Tundra has big old fat jiggly ass, but id be more than happy to tow your F-150 back to the dealership every 20K miles for ya! LOL
I love my truck! And there will never be a perfect truck for every situation.
I do find it interesting that Ford seems to continually point out nothing but their frame! |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:43 pm: |
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For like 30+ years in a row.
I quit counting a few years ago.
R |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:46 pm: |
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Well, that's why they make blondes, brunettes, etc.
This was more fun than a Tire thread!
Been fun, but I'm out.
R
PS: when the 2012 order guides come out, I'm lined up to order a Raptor! Can't wait. This is harder than waiting on my CR was! |
Azxb9r
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:53 pm: |
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In my experience, Toyota makes the best mini truck on the market, but the Japanese full size trucks just are not up to par with the American full size trucks. Having said that, Toyota has recently redesigned(again) the Tundra, so it will be a couple more years before we find out if they worked out the problems.
As far as transmissions are concerned, the Ford will tend to go 100,000 to 150,000 between failures. The Allison in the GM trucks are probably the best going, but HUGE$$$ when they fail.
The problem with the Toyota Tundra has not been engine or trans related, it has been frame, brakes, and suspension problems...as in not enough for the vehicle. |
Spike240sx
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 08:53 pm: |
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I do love the Raptor! But I would never be able to tow with it! |
Azxb9r
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 09:11 pm: |
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Just to keep this thread on track, the OP said that he would be towing 8500lbs...not a job for a half ton truck.
It drives me crazy when people think that just because they can get the load rolling it is safe to tow. You have to stop the damn thing too!!! |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 10:57 pm: |
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I've never replaced a transmission in any Toyota product I've ever owned.
There will be "best of the breed" stories abound on all sides. When working at a garage, I recall a regular visitor we had was a 1997 F-150, V6 of all things, with something like 315,000 miles on it last I saw it. It ran like champ - the biggest problem was the steel wheels were about rusted through, it seemed.
A few bays down, Kenny was putting a new engine in a 60kmi Tacoma that spun a bearing.
Both examples fall into the "results not typical" camp.
I've owned and driven ALL kinds of cars. I prefer domestics. When I worked at the garage, the only person that didn't own domestic was a parts guy that was driving a new Mitsubishi. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 06:57 am: |
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My 1997 F150 V6 had 360k miles on it when I sold it in 2001.
Original everything except the water pump at around 240k.
My 2006 E350 Super Duty has just under 300k miles... original everything except the battery.
I can tell the same story about every Ford in my family. It is not some random good luck.
From Aerostar to Zephyr I will bank on the reliability of a Ford over any other vehicle, period. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:27 am: |
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I only drove 1 jap. big truck when working in Trinidad company bought a 5 ton Nissan to pull some oil field equipment on, it was grossing 90,000. It handled the load OK but the roads there were so bad there was no chance test it proper. As with all cabover it was rough as hell. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:32 am: |
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There is an issue with raptor frames. I saw online that a group of upstanding gentlemen took their new-ish raptors out into the desert and drove them the way the ads told them they were designed to be used = driving fast over chewed up dirt roads+offroading.
A large number of them at the end of the day noticed that their beds didn't line up with the cab anymore.
There is an engineered weak point in the frame that happens to be directly above the rear suspension's rubber bottoming stop.
If you bottom out the rear suspension a bunch of times at speed, it beats on the frame at exactly the weak spot.
Not too many people would actually bottom out the rear suspension over and over in real life I think.
Moral of the story:
Don't use 30 second adverts as a guide to living your life. The F150 frame is perfectly fine for a truck. If you want to do jumps, get a dirtbike. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:39 am: |
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Look at the video in this link to see how fast they were going over a cattle crossing.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/21/svt-boss-goes-o n-record-about-ford-raptor-frame-damage-claims-w/
We should make it scientific and run over that obstacle with a variety of other vehicles. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 10:06 am: |
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Aftermarket already has a fix for the Raptor frame. You have to hit a 10"-12" mostly square bump @ speeds of 60-70 miles an hour.
They are not unbreakable. But imagine doing something HALF as brutal in any other stock vehicle.
I just really want to get one before the Legal Department at Ford wakes up.
"WHAAAAAT? We've been selling these things?!? TO THE PUBLIC????!!!!"
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01_turbowolf
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 10:11 am: |
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fords have just as many problems as anything else. i had a raptor come in last week with a bent frame. field engineers came and took pictures of it and we are waiting on their response. all i can say is have you ever seen any oilfield/county/energy/utility/heavy equipment, etc use toyota trucks? ive never seen it. |
Nik
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 10:57 am: |
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all i can say is have you ever seen any oilfield/county/energy/utility/heavy equipment, etc use toyota trucks? ive never seen it.
I have, just not in the States. That and the Hilux is a bit more tough then what we get here. |
Cowboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 11:04 am: |
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01--beleave me there is every kind of truck in the oil field. I have worked in over 80 different countries, You better beleave there is some very large trucks every where,
We used some converted military trucks in Russia and damn they were big. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 11:24 am: |
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>>>>Don't use 30 second adverts as a guide to living your life.
Similarly . . I'd suggest you not pin your Eco-Boost at redline and leave it for 24 hours either.
We used to buy 96 3/4T K20 4x4 Chevrolets with bed omit (we made our own flat beds) when I worked for my Dad.
Those, granted, were years ago but I doubt, with the possible exception of the oil field, that there is any tougher use that building cross country transmission lines.
They did REALLY well.
Well. . .except the ones we tipped the cranes over on (brand new truck, first day out, boom landed smack dab in the center) . . the one we accidentally backed over with a D8 and the one we slid off the cliff into the mighty Missouri River.
I envy those of you who really USE a pickup. For me . . it's been lingering tradition after a life in construction and when I sell this one I'm likely done. But . . I confess . . it's hard to think about not having a pickup around the house. . . even having to put $85 of fuel in 3X a week. |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 01:44 pm: |
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Well. . .except the ones we tipped the cranes over on (brand new truck, first day out, boom landed smack dab in the center) . . the one we accidentally backed over with a D8 and the one we slid off the cliff into the mighty Missouri River.
Now thats funny right there! I do work for large rental/lease companies who have had some amazing stories about the trucks and equipment that they have had towed into my shop for repairs.
One called me to be on stand-by to get them an estimate asap on a new excavator that had been damaged by a customer in the woods. I would have had to go write the estimate on site. Well when they called me to go out to look at the equipment they said don't worry about it. It was going to take them the better part of the week to get it out of the ravine where it had rolled over at least three times before hitting the bottom. They were certain it was totaled. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 01:55 pm: |
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You know... Court's story reminds me of this photo that has been on the internet for years and years.
What are the odds that it's the same incident?? |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 02:46 pm: |
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That's not it . . . the one I was referring to was an Athey wagon behind a D8 tractor.
It could not have hit more directly in the middle of the shiny new pickup. |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 03:02 pm: |
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That'll buff out. |
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