| Author | Message | ||
     Malott442 |
Right now I'm pretty sure VW is the only company offering a diesel car in the US. While in Ireland for my honeymoon last month, I rented and drove a Opel Insignia for 2000km, averaging 5.3l/100km, or about 45mpg. It had an "ECOTECH" diesel with a 6 spd. A look at the gas cap confirmed, opel is a GM product. I'm driving down the road yesterday, and I saw it. A buick regal. SAME CAR. You can buy a regal with a gas burner 4cyl and 6 spd that will get 32mpg. Or an Irish person can buy a 4 cyl diesel that has twice the torque and 45mpg. WTF?! BTW the car is REALLY comfortable and well built. WAAAAY nicer than a new impala. For now, I drive my little TDI. But I ask and ask again, when will the US market quit manipulating the numbers and send the fuel sippers over here?   | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Mercedes | ||
| Svh |
Unfortunately as a whole we residents of the USA don't buy diesels. It seems like board members here like them a lot, I am one of those, but general public doesn't seem to want them. Dodge, err Ram, was supposed to be making a smaller Cummins for the 1500 Ram. Got pulled when they hit the bankruptcy deal. Shame as I think truck buyers would go for it. I have heard that FIAT is bringing the TD 500 next year. Way different than that Opel but still its something. That Opel is way better looking than the Buick too. Going to see if I can find sales data on the diesel 3 Series BMW started selling last year. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The tree huggers don't like diesel soot.  | ||
| Svh |
New diesels are so much cleaner as you know. I thought they are now cleaner in most gases than gas burners. Could be wrong though. Even if they are it is so hard to change peoples minds when they believe the "truth". | ||
| Froggy |
GM has confirmed a diesel Cruze is on the way, I haven't heard anything solid about it coming to the Regal or the next gen Malibu yet. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I would LOVE a diesel. Unfortunately, you have to pay a premium to get one. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Tree huggers nothing. The oil companies don't like the milage. less $$ in their pockets | ||
| Indy_bueller |
The new EPA regs are what did away with small diesels from 2007 until last year. Jeep had one that went bye-bye, so did VW. I have a friend who has a 2004 (I think) Beetle with a diesel that will get over 50mpg on the highway. Fords new Ranger has one, but you can't get the truck or the engine in North America. | ||
| 86129squids |
Would Willie Nelson approve? | ||
| Cataract2 |
I currently drive a 1990 VW Golf 1.6 TDI here in Germany. AVG MPG I'm getting with it is around 40 with the best being 52 on the Autobahn. Needless to say the next car my wife and I will get will be one of the newer VW TDI when we get back to the states. To hell with gassers. | ||
| Trojan |
I drive a Chrysler Grand Voyager (US Model Caravan?) with a 2.8 turbo diesel engine and assumed that you got the same drivetrain in the US on domestic models? It is certainly NOT a gas sipper and barely gets 28 to the gallon if I am particularly thrifty and light on the pedal. I admit is a big car so I don't know what the equivalent petrol (gas) engined car would give. We also have a 999cc turbo Smart car 'Night Orange' with a petrol engine that regularly delivers 60-65mpg. Gues which car we use most   The trend here seems to be moving away from diesel cars because of the increased costs involved. Diesel fuel is a lot more expensive than petrol, and diesel engined cars cost more when new, so it takes a long time to actually recoup any savings from fuel efficiency. The move now is towards more efficient and smaller petrol (gas) engines and towards electric/hybrid technology (which again is so expensive that you would be unlikely to recoup any savings made on fuel). | ||
| Ducbsa |
Here's the real reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BoyEHeID8U | ||
| Etennuly |
I'm with Rocket on this. Better fuel mileage takes away $ from petroleum monsters and gub'ment. Us using less fuel is bad for them. Until it is all gone they will fight to maintain gas guzzlers while promoting green-ness on the front page. Follow the money if you can. Emissions are doing pretty well from the diesels, much cleaner than anything from fifteen years ago. My '04 diesel truck has a cat-converter and is all ECM controlled, it has never puffed black sooty smoke. The idiots who change the exhaust systems and jack their ECMs will puff the black smoke though. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The tree huggers don't like diesel soot. Au contraire. The soot is fixed with current emission controls. The tree huggers in Europe prefer diesels because of their lower CO2 emissions. More efficient = less CO2 = less "global warming". (post edited to include quote from Ft_bstrd above) (Message edited by Hughlysses on August 02, 2011) | ||
| Sifo |
I took a good look at buying a VW TDI a couple of years ago. VW proved to be a good choice for comparison simply because you could get the same vehicle with gas or diesel. I went home and crunched some numbers based on purchase price and current prices of gas and diesel. IIRC the break even point on getting the diesel was up around 285,000 miles of driving. That didn't account for adjusting for the future value of money or the inconvenience of having to go to stations that sell diesel fuel all the time. I really wanted to like the diesel, but just couldn't justify it. The oil companies don't like the milage. less $$ in their pockets This false argument has been around for many decades now. My uncle made the same claim about high mileage cares back in the '60s. Here's a news flash for you. Oil companies don't build cars. BTW Rocco, welcome back!  | ||
| Trojan |
The tree huggers in Europe prefer diesels because of their lower CO2 emissions. More efficient = less CO2 = less "global warming". Not entirely true. Diesels were always sold over here as more efficient simply because of the increased mpg. Particulate and emmissions figures were always glossed over because efficiency was supposed to be much better. In recent years diesel fuel has increased in price so much and petrol engines much more efficient that the savings are harder to equate and to justify. Large diesel engines have an advantage over large petrol motors, but the trend is towards smaller and more efficient petrol motors. The fuel companies make more money per litre from selling diesel than they do with regular 'gas', and it is cheaper to produce than petrol, so it really doesn't matter to them which we buy so long as it lasts (Message edited by trojan on August 02, 2011) | ||
| Preybird1 |
these will be available to civilians soon. http://www.hayes-dt.com/military.htm | ||
| Svh |
Trojan- Gas Caravans are in the low 20's over here. If only we got that turbo Smart car over here maybe they would have sold better. | ||
| Strokizator |
The oil companies don't like the milage. less $$ in their pockets Really? Aren't the same companies that sell fuel in the US - Shell, BP, Exxon/Mobil, etc. - also selling fuel in Europe? Perhaps it's the european-style socialist govts that prevent these greedy corporations from running roughshod over the masses. If only we had someone in the oval office who could . . . . | ||
| Cowboy |
People who want to punish the oil companys make me laugh-- with out the oil co. where in hell do you think you would be. They have the teck. money and equipment, who else do you think could provide such a service. They could shut down the USA in nothing flat if so a mind to. | ||
| Kenm123t |
LOL ask what trojan pays for fuel converted to us gallons. Its the cost of the engines and the fact Cars are a fashion statement in the US. I love diesels have about 12 of them. Fords new direct inject gas motors are giving diesel performance and milage in a cheaper gas engine price and meet the emmissions without adding urea to the exhaust or a exhaust filter. | ||
| Slaughter |
Hayes was street-testing the Civvie versions before the latest Gulf War started. DOT and Cal-EPA testing is on hold. Got to see a couple of the civilian prototypes (nice!) - imagine freeway speeds and nearly 550 mile range! | ||
| Preybird1 |
I would love that range. Right now on my kawi klr650 i have been trying to get it to go 400 miles on 7 gallons of fuel. But i can't stay off the gas and i cruise it at 80 mph. I like there multi fuel bike model as well. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I want a diesel hybrid! Give me 80-100MPG! | ||
| 01x1buell |
i love diesels i have a 7.3 liter ford it only gets 18mpg but i use it to move and haul stuff but yes diesel is the way to go for a small car.. imagine if they put a small diesel engine in a bike with a big ass turbo  that would be fun heavy but fun | ||
| Slaughter |
http://www.hayes-dt.com/ Waiting... Have seen, touched the civilian prototypes. Beyoutiful! | ||
| 01x1buell |
ha ha ha ha i love that a diesel bike freakin perfect . | ||
| Reducati |
my 4 wheel vehicle gets better mileage than my 2 wheeler...but theyre both a blast to drive/ride  | ||
| Kenm123t |
X1 what year is it my 95s got 24-26 my 02 got 13 |
